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Biden has announced that his foreign policy theme is climate change.  Good luck to you all.  He will probably have our Marines in Darwin armed with cans of air freshener. 
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This mob I believe, are deemed conspiracy theorists but it seems to me there are an awful lot of irrefutable facts in this particular article Ouch

Heatwaves are an indication of climate change, but record Arctic outbreaks –even those in the month of May– are merely expected statistical anomalies that require no further action than a hasty sweeping under the rug: they are “not out of the question,” after all, and unprecedented freezes –that have dragged on for almost two months now (having begun in mid-March)– are barely considered newsworthy.
Furthermore, these frigid conditions are impacting more than just the UK.
The majority of the Europe is suffering, as is much of the Northern Hemisphere as a whole.
https://electroverse.net/england-on-for-its-coldest-may-since-records-began-back-in-1659/

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Jesus - wish that Global Warming would hurry up & kick in - bloody freezing in Sydney this morning
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Historic Cold Spreads Across the U.S. Breaking Low Temperature Records from the 1800s

With the official start of summer less than 40 days away, an unseasonably cold air mass is currently gripping large areas of the United States, dropping temperatures some 25 degrees F below seasonal averages.

As reported by CNN weather, these temperatures are more in line with what you should expect in mid-March, not mid-May.

During this latest Arctic outbreak –which began May 9– hundreds of low temperature records have tumbled, increasing the disparity between the number new record highs this year and and new record lows.

South Carolina’s capital city of Columbia suffered a historically cold Wednesday.

The city, whose slogan is “Famously hot, surprisingly cool,” experienced an unprecedented level of “cool” with a daytime high in the 50s. Note, the previous low temperature record for the day has been standing for over 100 years — the 66F (18.9C) from May 12, 1917 (the Centennial Minimum).

May highs in the 50s in Columbia are so rare that they have only been observed five times since 1887. According to CNN Weather, such temperatures in May only come around once every 30 years.

Augusta, Georgia, busted its daily record, too — one which has stood since 1885.

And finally, in Europe, the historic April chill felt across the length and breadth of the continent was noted in the Czech Republic, too.

The nation logged an average monthly temperature of just 5.4C (41.7F).

That’s a whopping 2.5C colder than the previously-used 1981-2010 baseline, and makes it the country’s coldest April since 1997 (solar minimum of cycle 22), and the fifth chilliest since records began back in 1961.

Europe’s record chill has lingered into May, and shows no signs of letting up.
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In fact, into the third week of the month, the models are currently suggesting something truly noteworthy could be in store, particularly for northern, central and western areas (which includes the UK, which is currently on for its coldest month of May since records began in 1659; and no, that’s not a typo
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Originally posted by oneonesit oneonesit wrote:

Jesus - wish that Global Warming would hurry up & kick in - bloody freezing in Sydney this morning

 tell us about it. Had two heaters going, a hot water bottle on my feet and still was cold.

 It's gonna get worse.

 Ouch
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Quite a cold snap Gay - maybe you would be interested in a bet? regardless of this amazing cold snap I say that this year will be in the top ten hottest years ever recorded. PM me if you want to make some cash

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 doesn't mean global warming doesn't exist.

 There will always be extremes of weather, nomatter.

 America sweltered, last Summer. Never heard so many friends grumble about the humidity.

  
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Whilst your offer is most generous marble, given the terms (top 10 hottest) I've been off the punt for the last 2 months as I can't afford to lose LOL Unlike many (not TBV members of course Wink) I do pay my debts.
I'd love to revisit this post in 12 months time if any of us can remember or is even still alive by then LOL

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hopefully we are still kicking this time next year Gay! we only have to wait till end of december to find out
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If we do get through till then Marble we should throw another party LOL
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i don't think I got a start the other night wun wun - very upsetting!
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One crisp winter morning in Sweden, a cute little girl named Greta woke up to a perfect world, one where there were no petroleum products ruining the earth. She tossed aside her cotton sheet and wool blanket and stepped out onto a dirt floor covered with willow bark that had been pulverized with rocks. “What’s this?” she asked.
“Pulverized willow bark,” replied her fairy godmother.
“What happened to the carpet?” she asked.
“The carpet was nylon, which is made from butadiene and hydrogen cyanide, both made from petroleum,” came the response.
Greta smiled, acknowledging that adjustments are necessary to save the planet, and moved to the sink to brush her teeth where instead of a toothbrush, she found a willow, mangled on one end to expose wood fibre bristles.
“Your old toothbrush?” noted her godmother, “Also nylon.”
“Where’s the water?” asked Greta.
“Down the road in the canal,” replied her godmother, ‘Just make sure you avoid water with cholera in it”
“Why’s there no running water?” Greta asked, becoming a little peevish.
“Well,” said her godmother, who happened to teach engineering at MIT, “Where do we begin?” There followed a long monologue about how sink valves need elastomer seats and how copper pipes contain copper, which has to be mined and how it’s impossible to make all-electric earth-moving equipment with no gear lubrication or tires and how ore has to be smelted to a make metal, and that’s tough to do with only electricity as a source of heat, and even if you use only electricity, the wires need insulation, which is petroleum-based, and though most of Sweden’s energy is produced in an environmentally friendly way because of hydro and nuclear, if you do a mass and energy balance around the whole system, you still need lots of petroleum products like lubricants and nylon and rubber for tires and asphalt for filling potholes and wax and iPhone plastic and elastic to hold your underwear up while operating a copper smelting furnace and . . .
“What’s for breakfast?” interjected Greta, whose head was hurting.
"Fresh, range-fed chicken eggs,” replied her godmother. “Raw.”
“How so, raw?” inquired Greta.
“Well, . . .” And once again, Greta was told about the need for petroleum products like transformer oil and scores of petroleum products essential for producing metals for frying pans and in the end was educated about how you can’t have a petroleum-free world and then cook eggs. Unless you rip your front fence up and start a fire and carefully cook your egg in an orange peel like you do in Boy Scouts. Not that you can find oranges in Sweden anymore.
“But I want poached eggs like my Aunt Tilda makes,” lamented Greta.
“Tilda died this morning,” the godmother explained. “Bacterial pneumonia.”
“What?!” interjected Greta. “No one dies of bacterial pneumonia! We have penicillin.”
“Not anymore,” explained godmother “The production of penicillin requires chemical extraction using isobutyl acetate, which, if you know your organic chemistry, is petroleum-based. Lots of people are dying, which is problematic because there’s not any easy way of disposing of the bodies since backhoes need hydraulic oil and crematoriums can’t really burn many bodies using as fuel Swedish fences and furniture, which are rapidly disappearing - being used on the black market for roasting eggs and staying warm.”
This represents only a fraction of Greta’s day, a day without microphones to exclaim into and a day without much food, and a day without carbon-fibre boats to sail in, but a day that will save the planet.
Tune in tomorrow when Greta needs a root canal filling and learns how Novocain is synthesized.
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Who was that idiot that said " life's not meant to be easy " Confused what about Adam and his mate Eve ? ..." how would ya like your eggs eve love ? ....with a smile you sexy thing " . Smile
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We have to go to the universities and schools not to educate the kids on global warming .   Global warming has been going for 40 years,   nothing has happened and it wont happen in the next 40 years  .  Climate change has been happening for ever .
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No point arguing with dinosaurs like you hatch. You can't see facts when they are right in front of you. Climate change has been happening forever but not because of human activity like it is now.
Do you think god will sort it all out? Will he replace two thirds of the worlds forest that we have cleared?
 
Why are all the glaciers melting hatch? why are ecosystems collapsing? Why are weather events getting more extreme. Why are the hottest years ever recorded happening now? 1 degree average increase in temperature  might not seem significant  to you but it is for a lot of fragile ecosystems
Your right about one thing, kids need to be taught about accepted science in school. Teachers teach science so the message will get through. 
Hopefully they will treat the planet a bit better than their predecessors. They might plant trees instead of cutting them down, use renewable energy, use more sustainable farming methods. Drive electric cars and stop burning fossil fuels.
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Ha,  ha,     Yes look at the facts Marble ,   Al Gore got things going with his film ,   but his ideas have not come to pass.    The arctic was going to be free of ice,  polar bears were said to be starving ,  the sea was rising ,heat was coming ,  but none of it happened
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Marble ,  or any of you tell us what will happen in the next 20 years with so called global warning  , be bold ,tell us what you think will happen.
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Originally posted by hatch hatch wrote:

Marble ,  or any of you tell us what will happen in the next 20 years with so called global warning  , be bold ,tell us what you think will happen.

Hatch if you open our mind just a little bit you can see changes now. Heres a quote from a farmer in WA

We’re living and breathing climate change now … we’ve lost at least 20% of our growing season rainfall and, ironically, we’re having more severe frost events,” Simon says, reflecting trends seen across the wheatbelt. “Our temperatures have risen by about 1.2 degrees.”

If we address it now maybe we can turnaround some of these changes. If we continue to have fossil fuel devoted governments like the current one we will be in trouble. Not only from climate but also through loss of trade. Other responsible countries will abandon us.

In 30 years time parts of western sydney will become uninhabitable. They are already nudging 50 degrees in summer. If the glaciers and icecaps keep melting at the same rate we will see massive displacement of people. Pretty grim hey.

but of course you won't agree and you won't even bother to check a few facts. You probably live in an climate controlled house and apparently know more about what is going in with the planet than people that live on the land and scientists who study climate change every day




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Hatch doesn’t believe that jockeys can put in bad rides so that tells you all you need to know about whether his opinion on such a complex subject as climate change is likely to be correct. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote jujuno Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 May 2021 at 10:34am
 just because we still get some cold extremes, it doesn't mean global warming doesn't exist.

 doesn't take Einstein to work that out...

  
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Passing Through Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 May 2021 at 10:44am
Amazing isn't it? Those tired talking points were old 30 years ago.
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Exxon Knew about Climate Change more than 40 years ago



Exxon was aware of climate change, as early as 1977, 11 years before it became a public issue, according to a recent investigation from InsideClimate News. This knowledge did not prevent the company (now ExxonMobil and the world’s largest oil and gas company) from spending decades refusing to publicly acknowledge climate change and even promoting climate misinformation—an approach many have likened to the lies spread by the tobacco industry regarding the health risks of smoking. Both industries were conscious that their products wouldn’t stay profitable once the world understood the risks, so much so that they used the same consultants to develop strategies on how to communicate with the public.  

Experts, however, aren’t terribly surprised. “It’s never been remotely plausible that they did not understand the science,” says Naomi Oreskes, a history of science professor at Harvard University. But as it turns out, Exxon didn’t just understand the science, the company actively engaged with it. In the 1970s and 1980s it employed top scientists to look into the issue and launched its own ambitious research program that empirically sampled carbon dioxide and built rigorous climate models. Exxon even spent more than $1 million on a tanker project that would tackle how much CO2 is absorbed by the oceans. It was one of the biggest scientific questions of the time, meaning that Exxon was truly conducting unprecedented research. 

In their eight-month-long investigation, reporters at InsideClimate News interviewed former Exxon employees, scientists and federal officials and analyzed hundreds of pages of internal documents. They found that the company’s knowledge of climate change dates back to July 1977, when its senior scientist James Black delivered a sobering message on the topic. “In the first place, there is general scientific agreement that the most likely manner in which mankind is influencing the global climate is through carbon dioxide release from the burning of fossil fuels," Black told Exxon’s management committee. A year later he warned Exxon that doubling CO2 gases in the atmosphere would increase average global temperatures by two or three degrees—a number that is consistent with the scientific consensus today. He continued to warn that “present thinking holds that man has a time window of five to 10 years before the need for hard decisions regarding changes in energy strategies might become critical." In other words, Exxon needed to act.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/exxon-knew-about-climate-change-almost-40-years-ago/



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Originally posted by ExceedAndExcel ExceedAndExcel wrote:

Hatch doesn’t believe that jockeys can put in bad rides so that tells you all you need to know about whether his opinion on such a complex subject as climate change is likely to be correct. 

LOL I didn't know about that - doesn't he have a punt? 
anyhow I know its a complete waste of time 
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 I thought Sam Neill was good, as Hatch, in the movie. 

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Hewas an absolute @rsehole in Peaky Blinders!! I could hardly wait for the next series LOL
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Australia's hidden history of megadroughts captured in ancient tree rings

By Ben Deacon, Tuesday May 25, 2021 - 20:29 EST


Scientists analysing growth rings of 700-year-old in native cypress trees in Western Australia's Wheatbelt say the region suffered a series of megadroughts lasting up to 30 years in past centuries.


The study has also suggested the region was comparatively blessed with rain during the 20th century.

Climatologist Alison O'Donnell said rainfall records since 1900 capture "one of the wettest periods in the last 700 years". 

"The worst drought periods that have occurred in this region occurred prior to instrumental records," she said.

Dr O'Donnell from the University of Western Australia and her team were able to piece together a record of droughts and floods back to the year 1350 by looking at tree growth rings from a stand of ancient trees she found on the edge of a salt lake.

"We removed little cores of wood that are about the size of a drinking straw, which allows us to look at the rings that are in the wood without causing any damage to the tree. 

"The trees easily heal over those little small holes that we put in the trunk," she said.

"We can measure the rings and determine from how wide they are, how much rain fell in each year that the rings grew."


A record of megadroughts



Dr O'Donnell discovered the Wheatbelt experienced a pair of 30-year droughts, far more severe than any seen since European settlement, in the 1760s and then again in the 1830s.

"There were some wet years within that 30-year period, but on average the rainfall was really quite low compared to the long-term average over the last 700 years," she said.

"The variability of rainfall in this region is actually a lot higher than anyone could have thought.

"Droughts are a lot more common than we think they are." 

Extending Australia's climate history

As scientists try to tease apart human-caused climate change from natural variability, one of the biggest challenges has been the short 121-year period of the instrumental climate record kept by the Bureau of Meteorology.

Climatologist Nerilie Abram, from the Australian National University, said scientists are still piecing together Australia's past climate.

"Australia as a whole is fairly underrepresented in terms of what we know about past climate variability," Professor Abram said.

"But in south-west Australia particularly, we haven't had a record like this in the past."

Up until recently, most research on Australia's historical climate has focused on eastern Australia, where written records, tree rings and even coral have been used to reconstruct the climate back to 1788 and beyond.

Researchers Linden Ashcroft, Joelle Gergis and David Karoly have even been able to reconstruct a record of the so-called "settlement drought" which struck the first fleet in 1791.

A heatwave struck the colony in the summer of 1791, after which one settler wrote "birds dropped dead from the trees, and almost every green thing was burnt up".

By the end of that year, ships were sent to fetch water for desperate colonists.

he drought lasted through to 1793, when it was reported that "the rain of April came too late to save the Indian corn of the season, which now wore a most unpromising appearance".

The tree ring studies have shown this event was experienced across all of eastern Australia and was not restricted to the immediate Sydney region.


Extending WA's climate history

Recently discovered written weather observations from the Perth region have enabled Dr Gergis and Dr Ashcroft to reconstruct the climate of south-west Australia back to the 1830s.

"We show dry conditions in the late 1830s until early 1840s," Dr Gergis said.

"We note that this period was also dry in south-east Australia from our previous work.

Professor Abram said the tree ring study provides another layer of proof for the 1830 drought.

"[It] appears to correspond quite well with one of these drought intervals that have now been detected in the tree ring record," she said.


Future could be even drier


South-west Australia is already in the midst of a drying trend considered to be one of the strongest impacts of climate change globally.

Rainfall in the region has declined by more than 20 per cent since the 1970s.

The researchers say given the tree ring study shows megadroughts can occur in the region even without the drying impact of climate change, the future for south-west Australia's water resources could be even more severe.

"Based on the instrumental record alone, our understanding of how bad droughts can get doesn't fully capture what is actually possible," Dr O'Donnell said.

"These results indicate that we might even expect worse droughts than are currently projected for the region using climate simulation models."


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The alarmists wont like that article Gay. "megadroughts" lasting up to 30 years. "far more severe than any seen since European settlement". 1791 "birds dropped dead from the trees" it was that hot LOLLOL
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Wonder why I posted it oneone Wink
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