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Just been announced Mr Waterhouses funeral is on the 19th December.

Why would it be over 3 weeks away ? 
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The wake will be held in a phonebox
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Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

Just been announced Mr Waterhouses funeral is on the 19th December.

Why would it be over 3 weeks away ? 

Probably that long for the family to pull the gold teeth from him.
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Originally posted by ExceedAndExcel ExceedAndExcel wrote:

Originally posted by Baghdad Bob Baghdad Bob wrote:

Back in those days we only had five television channels ( ABC,7,9, SBS and 10 ). 7 and 9 had crappy american "serials " at 8,30, 10 had game shows like Blankety Blanks  and SBS half the time had programs on subjects that were of no interest to me, ( cooking recipes  in Bolivia etc )  so the only alternative was the ABC.




You didn’t consider getting off your beanbag and doing something else? That’s what most normal people would do if there was nothing they were interested in watching.


C'mon Bob....

For us ethnics SBS was a great place a get a good hit of real football...

Remember Les Murray a great renamed Hungarian and Mary Kostakidas made all the Greeks proud for a couple of minutes everyday....
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Here is a trivia question about Bill Waterhouse, what did he have in common with Richard Burton ?
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Maybe both remarried the same woman Bob.
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Carioca, correct, I cannot put it over a person with a nick of Carioca, that horse raced in the 1950s
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Yes , we both go back aways , my all time favourite , by Felt Yet from Sing Again, hence the name.
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Does it all matter that much? They made millions out of mugs! Living it up still trying to sell them selves as one of the good guys! Just grubby. And carmilions (prob spelt wrong) but the one with golden spoon in mouth is pretending to be one of the good guys while he has his finger tickling your balls
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They threw a tonne of mud at the corpse in the Daily Jibberer today. Accused of everything under the sun. Murder, nobbling, dope cultivation, wildlife smuggling, draft dodging, race fixing
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Originally posted by Tlazolteotl Tlazolteotl wrote:

They threw a tonne of mud at the corpse in the Daily Jibberer today. Accused of everything under the sun. Murder, nobbling, dope cultivation, wildlife smuggling, draft dodging, race fixing

That is the same expose published last weekend in the Herald Sun.
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If all that is true,,,,and they cant get away with that without some sort of facts, ,,,,,he was a gelati of a man.
Just the murder of the bloke ?   Brown, ??  Horrible.
Love how Bart gave it back,,,,,

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No doubt his funeral will be well attended, wonder if there will be any crooks, scammers,thugs and thieves amongst them ?
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LOL  NO,,,surely not !!   
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Smart Family ---   Into the thieving game of bookmaking , All legal .

Probably greedy and off the rails in earlier times when it wasn't necessary but you have to hand it to the whole bunch , Clever numbers men and born to make dollars .
When he put Robbie to The Tom Smith Filly, produced a couple of gems.

Beautiful family & while Tom misleads a little with his tipping prices ,
He's out there doing what they do best ....   making a Dollar.
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Smart Family ???????         OMG.     Nasty, nasty people.

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I had lunch with Bill, Robbie and Tom about 10 years ago, along with Kevin Perkins, who was Bill's best mate. Worked out pretty quick ALL the Perkins books about Bill, Robbie and Gai were very favourable!!!
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Originally posted by Whale Whale wrote:

No doubt his funeral will be well attended, wonder if there will be any crooks, scammers,thugs and thieves amongst them ?

Yep for sure, he mixed with a quite a few politicians.
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I worked for a bookmaker who, a week before Fine Cotton, told me to "keep your eyes open, something big is going down. Just follow the money"

I didn't pay much attention but it was certainly common knowledge so I don't think the waterhouses were alone with the inside knowledge
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Originally posted by acacia alba acacia alba wrote:

Smart Family ???????         OMG.     Nasty, nasty people.


Don't worry about Macca, just a money hungry grub with no moral compass

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Originally posted by Shrunk in the Wash Shrunk in the Wash wrote:

I worked for a bookmaker who, a week before Fine Cotton, told me to "keep your eyes open, something big is going down. Just follow the money"

I didn't pay much attention but it was certainly common knowledge so I don't think the waterhouses were alone with the inside knowledge

It's common knowledge that once two know it's not a secret anymore Shrunk, your bookie friend would be on the money there imo.
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You can throw the whole lot of them into the same boat! But she is good for racing!! Whole many times is the media going to trotting that load of 💩 crap out?
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David Waterhouse reveals father Bill Waterhouse’s role in racing murder

ONE of the biggest crimes in racing history has resurfaced with David Waterhouse making stunning claims about the involvement of his father Bill Waterhouse in the 1984 murder of Sydney horse trainer George Brown.

On Saturday, the Herald Sun’s Andrew Rule exposed the explosive allegations made by David Waterhouse in a statement made to police which revealed fresh new details about one of the biggest stories in turf folklore.

In an eight-page dossier to police, Waterhouse declared his late bookmaker father Bill Waterhouse had threatened to silence him after admitting he had sent two thugs who tortured, murdered and incinerated Sydney horse trainer George Brown in 1984.

David Waterhouse told police that his father made the admissions on a drive from Sydney to Victoria on a Sunday evening in July or August, 1989.

The morning after making the chilling admission to his youngest son, the disgraced bookmaker warned him that if he revealed the truth he too would be in danger.

George Brown’s murder is universally regarded as the worst crime in Australian racing history.

The charred remains of the Sydney trainer were found in the burnt-out shell of his car at Bulli Tops south of Sydney, in April 1984, two days after he refused to go through with a brazen “ring in” at a Brisbane race meeting.

Speculation linking Bill Waterhouse and his associates to the murder has loomed over the famous racing family for 37 years, but NSW police did little to investigate the case for years before finally announcing a $1m reward for information in 2019.

The Herald Sun also reports that the chilling statement includes allegations that the thugs who had killed Brown had “disappeared” after returning to their homeland of Tonga.

Bill Waterhouse said his Tongan contacts would have no compunction about using similar tactics to hide the truth about Brown’s murder.

David Waterhouse was aghast at the revelation and asked his father: “Aren’t you worried they could come back at you?” to which Bill replied: “I got the King to take them straight back to Tonga and they’ve disappeared. They’ll never be heard of again. The Tongans cook pigs and humans in the ground.”

Bill Waterhouse was a close friend of the then King of Tonga and was Tonga’s Honorary Consul-General in Australia from 1970 until the end of the century.

David Waterhouse told police he kept silent about his father’s links to the murder for more than two decades because he and his young family were later menaced by violent criminal Bertie Kidd, a longtime enforcer for Bill Waterhouse’s interstate race-fixing racket.

Now in his 80s and living in Tasmania, Waterhouse went to police with Kidd’s threatening letters, some of which named his children and stated he was acting on behalf of Bill Waterhouse.

He added that he did so last year no longer in fear of Kidd who is now in his 80s and living in Tasmania.

Waterhouse’s stunning admissions to police also details explosive details about his late father and his network of associates, including rogue strappers, horse “nobblers” and enforcers, famously responsible for fixing dozens of races and pulling numerous racetrack frauds.

On the trip to Melbourne where Bill Waterhouse is alleged to have divulged his involvement in the murder of Brown to his son, the former bookmaker had a late lunch and had consumed a bottle of riesling.

As a result, David states, “Bill had been speaking very openly about skulduggery in the racing game, including the Big Philou doping scandal of 1969.”

This referred to the nobbling of the Melbourne Cup favourite by a strapper paid by Bill Waterhouse to “stop” the horse by administering a powerful purgative.

Waterhouse also boasted that he had got away with nobbling the great racehorse Tails in the same race.

David then asked his father the story behind the death of George Brown, reminding him of an altercation in which an associate seemed to be blaming Bill for the George Brown murder.

Bill Waterhouse had retorted: “Crap. It wasn’t my fault.”

He then heatedly explained that the associate had asked him “to send the Tongans” to get the down deposit that had been paid to Brown the week before.”

This was a reference to Brown being paid in advance to substitute a better-performed horse for the low-class filly Risley at Doomben two days before his death.

Brown had got cold feet and failed to do the ring-in, so the race fixers wanted their bribe money back.

David Waterhouse states his father told him the thugs had gone to Brown’s stables in Sweetmouth Ave, Rosebery, on the Monday after the Doomben fiasco and “scooped Brown up and demanded the refund of the money”.

“Brown asked to go and see (an associate), so the Tongans rang me (Bill Waterhouse) and I gave them (the associate’s) car phone number. They rang (the associate) and he said to bring Brown down to (provincial) races …

“They met in the car park of the racecourse. (The associate) demanded the money back and Brown said he would get it this afternoon.”

The thugs had taken Brown back to his stables and he telephoned around desperately, stalling for time and trying to borrow the money.

When he couldn’t produce the cash, the thugs drove him back to the now deserted provincial racecourse, looking for Bill’s associates, who had left.

“They tortured Brown to try and get the money,” David Waterhouse states his father told him. The thugs went too far and killed the trainer that night before returning to Sydney. His arms and legs were broken and his skull smashed.”

For the inside story of George Brown’s murder and the Fine Cotton ring-in scandals, see Andrew Rule’s new book, Chance, launched Sunday.

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Toughest beat in my life.

I was just only out of school, was tipped into it by mate of old mans, who was a commission agent for it.

Was a looong drive home.Cry
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In the original Hun story David Waterhouse says that Bill borrowed money off him. Does that sound plausible?
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Would you believe any of them? Would you? No wonder Tommy was pissed off........what was his daughter thinking!!!!
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Originally posted by Tlazolteotl Tlazolteotl wrote:

In the original Hun story David Waterhouse says that Bill borrowed money off him. Does that sound plausible?
Not plausible at all
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Back in the late 70's and very early 80's I used to go to a casino above a shop in Rozelle. Free chinese food and drinks if you were playing. They had about 3 blackjack tables and before the first hand was dealt all the cards of all the decks were fanned out on the table.

I happened to work with one of the dealers - not sure who was more surprised the first time I walked in.

I used to think it was owned by Perce & Bruce Galea but have read a Royal Commission report since that puts the ownership elsewhere (although those two were into casinos).
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Hear the story about the card count in a blackjack game in an establishment he was running?

Someone made a ruckus that they counted more 5s than there were supposed to be in the shoe.

He didn’t try and prove the punter wrong, just replaced the cards….
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