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    Posted: 14 May 2025 at 2:07pm
For the benefit of any shysters lurking on this thread, the title reflects this recent (paywalled) one:

How Texas Officials Invited the Rigging of the State Lottery - The New York Times


And in the next few days Texas will vote on abolishing the Texas Lottery - and even the Texas Lottery Commission.

There is a vast amount of material about this scandal, but to help gain some perspective about this it's worthwhile examining Stefan Mandel, an Australian who in:

1992 - Won the $24 million Virginia Lottery.

1995 - Filed for bankruptcy!



Note how the rules were changed so such schemes couldn't happen any more!

Much more paywall-busting material to follow.



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Here is the expose that the NYT attempted to paywall. The more times I re-read it, the more questions arise.


How Texas Officials Invited the Rigging of the State Lottery - The New York Times

Texas lottery executives blessed a scheme that ensured one player would win a $95 million jackpot in 2023. The caper has underscored a sense that almost nothing is on the level.

Desiree Rios for The New York Times"

Professional bettors purchased virtually every combination of possible numbers to ensure a lottery win.

Texas lottery executives blessed a scheme that ensured one player would win a $95 million jackpot in 2023. The caper has underscored a sense that almost nothing is on the level.

In 2023, professional bettors in Europe were trying to find an American partner to help pull off an audacious plan to buy up virtually every ticket ahead of just the right lottery draw in the United States.

Then something remarkable happened in Texas. Officials in Austin essentially blessed the rigging of their own state lottery.

“What we had was a criminal enterprise within our government,” said State Senator Bob Hall, a Republican investigating the caper.

In a state known for its aversion to government regulation, the successful manipulation of a Texas lottery has taken on deep meaning. The Texas Senate has held hearings. Gov. Greg Abbott and Attorney General Ken Paxton ordered investigations. The Texas House zeroed out the funding for the state lottery in its budget this month.

Still, with their winnings in the tens of millions of dollars, the perpetrators remain very much unscathed. And as the unsavory details have come out — storefronts posing as retailers spitting out lottery tickets, texts between ticket printers and a former drug smuggler, a winner hiding behind a Delaware-based shell company — the escapade underscored a pervasive sense in Texas, and in America, that just about everything is rigged.

Just how the Texas lottery was fixed in 2023 has been explored by news outlets and in state capitol hearing rooms. But less understood is the key role of state regulators. The Times has unearthed new details and video evidence that underscore just how integral the state’s lottery commission was in helping to secure a jackpot. In plain view of the authorities, the founders of Colossus Bets, a British bookmaker, worked with a struggling American start-up called Lottery.com and two other firms to buy virtually every combination of possible numbers and ensure a win that April. But they could only do so because lottery officials looked the other way when it came to potential violations of lottery rules and expedited the delivery of dozens of new lottery terminals to print out tens of millions of paper tickets.

They hit the jackpot, $95 million, after purchasing nearly 26 million tickets for $1 each.

The state lottery commission presented it as a win-win: The bettors in Europe ensured every ticket would be sold, a boon worth tens of millions of dollars to the state’s public schools, which get a cut of the proceeds.

But some elected officials see the lottery scheme differently, as an international conspiracy with the collusion of state officials. "It just kept getting bigger and bigger and bigger,” Mr. Hall said. ‘They deceived players.’

To high-stakes international gamblers looking for a big play, the Texas lottery was a good bet. Lotto Texas had a relatively low number of possible ticket combinations, around 25.8 million number mixes, and a low price per ticket, $1. (In comparison, the odds of the Powerball are about one in 300 million.) Buying them all could be worth it for a large enough jackpot. Crucially, state regulators, looking to increase sales, had become permissive of companies that helped remote players buy tickets, known as “lottery couriers.” Still, executives at Lottery.com — an internet start-up founded to help players get access to lottery tickets around the world — were leery when European bettors came with their proposal to buy nearly all the tickets. They asked the state for permission before agreeing to take part. “We were very surprised when the answer was yes,” Greg Potts, a Lottery.com executive, would later say at a State Senate hearing. Before jumping in, they watched the lottery jackpot grow slowly but steadily in early 2023 as one draw after another failed to produce a winner. The draws, three times a week, brought only modest interest from lottery players, who bought around one or two million tickets on each draw. The bettors saw their chance, and their intervention showed in the jackpot, which rose from around $74 million to $95 million in a matter of days, as millions of additional tickets were sold.

Dawn Nettles, a longtime lottery player who publishes a website on the Texas lottery, understood there hadn’t been a sudden burst of enthusiasm from ordinary Texans. Someone was buying all the tickets. “More than likely, there will be a winner tonight,” she wrote on her site in late April 2023.

And there was. The Texas Lottery Commission heralded the win, the third largest in state history, which helped raise around $50 million for the state’s public schools out of $138 million in sales over the life of the jackpot run. Gary Grief, the commission’s executive director at the time, acknowledged in a news release that “purchasing groups” had stepped in, ensuring that more than 99 percent of the number combinations had been sold. There is “no prohibition on these types of purchases,” he added. The winning ticket had been sold at a store in the Dallas suburb of Colleyville, operated by a company called Lottery Now.

But it wasn’t the usual convenience store where lottery tickets are sold. It was a storefront office packed with more than a dozen lottery terminals, used to pick lottery numbers and print tickets. And the winner came forward anonymously: a recently formed Delaware-based company named Rook TX. The Colleyville storefront alone had printed nearly $11 million worth of $1 tickets in the span of 72 hours, about four a second. (Each ticket can have up to 10 plays on it.) Three other storefronts printed another $14.8 million worth with the same speed. For years, the commission had welcomed couriers as an efficient way to boost revenue, even though state law had been crafted to require in-person purchases. 

A state audit observed that Mr. Grief “seemed quite comfortable operating in the gray areas.” Republican leaders, including the lieutenant governor, Dan Patrick, now see couriers as scofflaws. Mr. Grief resigned last year and promised to cooperate.

“Gary adamantly denies being part of any dishonest, fraudulent or illegal scheme,” Sam Bassett, Mr. Grief’s lawyer, said in a statement. The victims were the few ordinary Texans who bought tickets that April, thinking they had just as much chance as anyone else to win the draw.

“They deceived players,” Ms. Nettles said.

A portion of Texas Lottery sales go to support public schools in the state.

Among the reasons people don’t regularly go around buying up enough lottery combinations to guarantee a win is that it’s tough to do. But it is not impossible. A few years ago, a group of Princeton University graduates discovered how to beat the odds in scratch-off games across several states. 

A retired Michigan couple discovered a loophole in that state’s lottery and won millions.

In Europe, so-called lottery syndicates gather purchasers to increase the odds of winning.

The Texas bulk buy and the statistical calculations behind it were the brainchild of a London-based firm that advises bettors, White Swan Data, according to a person familiar with the operation, who requested anonymity because of the numerous lawsuits and investigations. The firm’s founder, Bernard Marantelli, also started Colossus Bets with Zeljko Ranogajec, a wealthy Australian and famed professional gambler who also goes by John Wilson. The role in the buy of Mr. Marantelli and Mr. Ranogajec was also reported by The Wall Street Journal.

But scooping up nearly 26 million number combinations could not have been accomplished without help from officials.

With a surge of ticket sales in mind, the lottery commission expedited the delivery of around 30 additional terminals to a group of lottery couriers. Half went to two locations connected to Lottery.com, whose former president had been ousted months earlier over improper ticket sales.

The job of getting all those terminals to rapidly print millions of tickets initially fell to Brandon Marsh, the head of product for Lottery.com at the time. Then, a day after he got the assignment, Mr. Marsh said he was told not to worry, the ticket buyer would provide a system to generate and enter the combinations, and the staff members, some from overseas, to print and organize the tickets.
When no one claimed the draw on April 19, 2023, they launched, with three days to pull it off before the next draw. “It was a crazy 72 hours,” Mr. Potts, the Lottery.com executive, wrote in an email a day after the winning draw. “I can only imagine the atmosphere was electrifying,” another company leader responded. The company appeared to make about $260,000 for its part in the deal.

After finding the winning ticket, a group involved in the buy, including people from White Swan Data and Lottery.com, celebrated with cigars and drinks at an Austin bar called Swan Dive — just a few blocks from the Texas Capitol. It worked so well that a few days later, Mr. Potts said Lottery.com was asked if they could help pull off a similar buy in Tennessee, according to a recording of a company discussion reviewed by The Times. But the company had to decline, Mr. Potts said. Lottery.com didn’t operate in Tennessee, and officials in that state “wouldn’t just drop off machines.” Glenn Gelband, a lawyer representing Rook TX, Mr. Marantelli and Mr. Ranogajec, said “all applicable laws, rules and regulations were followed.” 

For nearly two years, John Brier, a Tampa, Fla., businessman, had been talking to anyone who would listen about the 2023 Texas lottery win and its connection to Lottery.com, which had purchased Mr. Brier’s lottery-data business and, he said, refused to fully pay for it.  He had sued the company a few weeks before the Texas draw. Soon after, he said, a man in Malta with ties to Lottery.com called to help settle the case. But as they talked in the fall of 2023, the man, Ade Repcenko, casually mentioned the company’s ties to what had taken place in Texas.

“That’s when I started digging into it,” Mr. Brier said.Mr. Repcenko had connections to Colossus Bets and had approached Lottery.com about the bulk purchase in Texas, according to a deposition in one of the legal cases. In an email, Mr. Repcenko said, “My role was strictly limited to facilitating an introduction between the eventual purchaser and representatives of Lottery.com.” Spokesmen for Colossus Bets and White Swan Data did not respond to requests for comment. Soon, Mr. Brier was also talking to others who believed they had been wronged by Lottery.com, including Sharon McTurk, who, Mr. Brier discovered, had the cellphone of a dead man who had been texting regularly with Lottery.com executives.

“It connected everything,” Mr. Brier said of the phone. ‘You’re going to make so much money.’

Sharon McTurk lent Lottery.com nearly $2 million after she was promised she would make money off the investment.

A few years ago, Ms. McTurk, the owner of a logistics company in Boca Raton, Fla., met a smooth-talking man named Ronald Farah, who was helping Lottery.com raise money. Mr. Farah, a convicted marijuana smuggler whose life sentence was commuted by President Barack Obama, told her he had a can’t-fail opportunity and won her trust. “You’re going to make so much money,” he promised. She lent the company nearly $2 million. Then, two years ago, he sent her a video to show that the struggling Lottery.com was getting back on its feet. The video panned a nondescript office space with lots of lottery terminals on desks spitting out tickets.

It was a brief window into the three-day ticket-printing rush in April 2023.  A few months later, Mr. Farah died of a heart attack, and Ms. McTurk — who wanted her money back — persuaded his family to give her the cellphone. On it was the video and thousands of text messages.

In January, a letter was delivered to top Texas officials — signed by Mr. Brier, Ms. McTurk, Mr. Marsh and many others — documenting what they said were potential legal violations surrounding the 2023 draw. Many of the details also appeared in. The video offered new evidence, Mr. Brier said, of what appeared to be cellphones positioned near each terminal. Texas law prohibits the connecting of devices to lottery terminals, even wirelessly, without the lottery commission’s permission. A spokesman for the commission declined to comment, citing the state investigations. Mr. Potts, speaking for Lottery.com at the State Senate hearing, denied wrongdoing and accused Mr. Brier of being part of “an organized conspiracy” to attack the company. Even with the negative publicity, interest apparently remains in bulk-buying lottery tickets in Texas. The new director of the lottery commission, Ryan Mindell, testified at the hearing that the same people who rigged the April 2023 draw had tried to do it again in December. This time, he said, they were stopped by the commission.


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"For nearly two years, John Brier, a Tampa, Fla., businessman, had been talking to anyone who would listen about the 2023 Texas lottery win and its connection to Lottery.com, which had purchased Mr. Brier’s lottery-data business and, he said, refused to fully pay for it.  He had sued the company a few weeks before the Texas draw. Soon after, he said, a man in Malta with ties to Lottery.com called to help settle the case. But as they talked in the fall of 2023, the man, Ade Repcenko, casually mentioned the company’s ties to what had taken place in Texas.

“That’s when I started digging into it,” Mr. Brier said. Mr. Repcenko had connections to Colossus Bets and had approached Lottery.com about the bulk purchase in Texas, according to a deposition in one of the legal cases. In an email, Mr. Repcenko said, “My role was strictly limited to facilitating an introduction between the eventual purchaser and representatives of Lottery.com.” Spokesmen for Colossus Bets and White Swan Data did not respond to requests for comment. Soon, Mr. Brier was also talking to others who believed they had been wronged by Lottery.com, including Sharon McTurk, who, Mr. Brier discovered, had the cellphone of a dead man who had been texting regularly with Lottery.com executives."

Lottery.com is a actually a public company NASDAQ: LTRY. 

Check its 5 year graph for some hilarity and mirth.

But who is this good Samaritan Ade Repcenko, stepping in to settle Lottery.com's debts?

Sounds like it could be a Croatian surname. But apparently it's Russian, Belarussian or Ukranian.

But basic googling reveals that he was formerly one of Sydney's best-known party boys and one-time boyfriend of supermodel Miranda Kerr.

Back when his name was Abe Adrian Camilleri (or maybe another of his aliases)!

Some of his other accomplishments are a once undischarged bankrupt, and a pal of John Ibrahim. As well as a jailed convicted fraudster.

But perhaps his crowning achievement is in flourishing as CEO for Spinola Gaming, joining WA Technology as Lottery COO, while apparently eluding the Texas Rangers, FBI, NYT and WSJ!

Not to mention our local media who usually bend over backwards to publicise and glamourise Lotto and other such taxes on the poor, almost as much as our ABC did for MONA.





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https://www.texastribune.org/2025/05/15/texas-senate-bill-texas-lottery-commission-abolishment/?utm_campaign=trib-social&utm_content=1747357623&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook,twitter

Considering the innumerable Houdini Acts local colourful identities consistently pull I can't say I was confident of this happening.

But it appears the Texas Senate has unanimously approved the law to abolish the Texas Lottery Commission!

Along with interesting new restrictions of Lottery sales - including a 100 ticket limit!

This will force Mexican money-laundering drug cartels to engage a patsy to step in and buy a single $1 ticket in between every $1,000 purchase.

“The problems we’ve had are not a result of some very smart people from outside the government figuring out how to beat the system. What we had here was the criminal activities taking place came from within the commission itself,” Hall said, alleging the administrative rules the commission created and the subsequent bulk purchase were in violation of state law.

This should give the numerous law suits arising from the 2023 incident a leg up.



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You wonder if any of the lotto's or Powerball, or Lottery tickets are rigged in Australia too. Has anyone been able to watch any of the draws live anymore ? I have tried to find them on Chan 7 PLUS or Chan 7 mate but they are never on when they claim they are, you watch recordings of the draws but I can never find them live anymore no matter what draw it is.

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Originally posted by Carl Sagan Carl Sagan wrote:

You wonder if any of the lotto's or Powerball, or Lottery tickets are rigged in Australia too. Has anyone been able to watch any of the draws live anymore ? I have tried to find them on Chan 7 PLUS or Chan 7 mate but they are never on when they claim they are, you watch recordings of the draws but I can never find them live anymore no matter what draw it is.

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I'd never go near such mug plays, and haven't heard of any local "rigging".

But I have heard lots about Keno and other scams, and may publish them here as this caper plays out.

But right now there's almost as much coverage in Texas as Harley Reid suffered on the back page of The West Australian.

And it's national with NYT, WSY and Bloomberg exposes, along with the FBI and cloacaloads of TV coverage.

So I hope that this culminates in a lasting meaningful change. Before I kark it.




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The phenomenon of taking all the combinations in a lottery has been well known for over 30 years, so you'd think by now someone would have figured out a way of preventing it.

Instead Texas lawmakers have now come up with a loophole-infested joke.

But in fact it is very easy to have a foolproof law.

At predetermined jackpot amounts split the new jackpot money into 2 pools - the original plus a consolation pool.

Increase the consolation proportion as the jackpot grows, so the original jackpot will never get too high.

With the right proportions it can be made unattractive for Field betters, but still attractive to intelligent smaller players who realise that if they play long enough they have a reasonable chance of snaring a decent consolation - compared to the joke ones typically available.

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This is a bizarre upshot to the Texas Lottery rigging.

If the comments are accurate this Texas woman did everything legally - although I wonder why she used a courier instead just going to her nearest outlet.

Whoever is holding up the huge payment needs to be sued hard.

And whatever the outcome more lawsuits should mushroom.

Also note that in the Australian reprint there's an ad for a local courier service.

It's an Australian private company, and it would be very interesting to know who's behind it.




https://nypost.com/2025/03/25/us-news/mystery-winner-of-83-5m-lottery-may-never-see-her-money/



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Courier services banned because syndicates use them to buy millions of tickets? Texas State Lottery seems to be trying to make it fair for all entrants.
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Here Keno is definitely rigged.

Consider the 7-spot where the chances of winning it are 1 in 40,729.

The game becomes favourable as the Jackpot nears $18,000. 

But then the oligarch's trained monkeys swoop in to crush the run so it only lasts 3 games on average.

Pissing off everybody else.

But imagine what would happen if the operators took the simple step of limiting the tickets to 1,400 per game.

This would then extend the hot period to ~90 minutes on average.

Giving an opportunity for regular players to get on, creating an exciting atmosphere at the venues where there would also be a boost to food and beverage sales.

Lots of people would be interested in playing ~50 hot periods a year knowing they have a strong chance of finishing ahead for the year.

Instead we have the situation where we who own Keno, are seeing the sweethearts running it on our behalf, destroying it by funneling a massive proportion of major wins to oligarchs in tax havens.


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https://www.danpatrick.org/one-of-the-biggest-heists-ever/

Worth watching this to get a succint summary of the change to Texas lotteries.

However the 100 Ticket limit is beyond dumb as it's so easy to circumvent.

These turkeys knew about the problem over 30 years ago and still have no clue how to fix it.

The simplest effective way to fix it is to impose a draw limit of (say) 10 million combos.

Together with a venue draw limit of (say) 2 million.

Problem solved.


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Lotteries et al can sometimes be no more nor less than a bloke pulling a ticket out of a hat.  So will digress.

About 30 years ago attended a raffle with a huge major prize at the Daramalan Club in Canberra.  This at the invitation of a long term Catholic friend who had previously worked in Australia's capital and was revisiting after relocating to Melbourne.

So the emcee reached into the barrel and withdrew a ticket, yet momentarily before he announced the winning number my friend couldn't restrain himself and rose from the crowd to accept the prize.  

Yes the winning party had already been decided and the ticket appropriately palmed to ensure same, and was astounded that my friend was a party to this transgression.

Jack excused his participation by saying the Club was "struggling to meet its contributions to the needy", that the prize would never being in fact properly awarded, and that the cost saving would be added to the value of tickets sold.

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https://www.smh.com.au/sport/racing/freeman-was-always-keen-to-find-an-edge-20100619-ynv6.html

 

"Freeman first came on to the radar as one of the syndicate, which included such worthies as Dave ''The Dasher'' Segenfield and Jim Mason, headed by ''Melbourne'' Mick Bartley, which plucked $400,000 out of the Canberra jackpot in June 1971. "

Back then punters knew nothing about Freeman, and Melbourne Mick's crime connections were one of many concealed by the corrupt press.

And my bet was that jackpot would be North of $10 million in today's money.

I heard about this ~1974. It was a gimmick to stimulate turnover by the miniscule ACT TAB that succeeded beyond their wildest dreams.

This non-computerised exercise generated massive publicity and overwhelmed the TAB's resources.

But then the jackpot stopped abruptly forever as everyone had no interest in having a crack at a jackpot which would be snapped up by informed oligarchs once it got big enough.

You'd hope all the gambling decision makers who squander our dough on lavish conferences would have learned something about preserving public trust.

Nowadays they simply go to elaborate lengths to hide kickbacks in the books, nobble any non-compliant reporters and fabricate bullgelati about the pampered oligarchs operating out of tax havens.

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While googling this subject Joan Kinther's name regularly pops up.

After reading a few articles I thought - what a fascinating lady and what a feel good story!

But then I read this unusually well-written one.

And concluded that Joan's actions were clearly part of a criminal enterprise, which was covered up by the TGC.

I've read this a few times now and the story just gets more disturbing.

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At first glance this seemed like a reasonable speech.

The guy was actually quoting player returns - a key indicator that lottery administrators avoid discussing.

However there is something very fishy about his claim of "less than 70%".

That's way too high!

I knocked myself out trying to find what they actually were - but no prize for guessing I didn't come close to succeeding.

That's no coincidence. If players were actually told their returns, they might stop playing.

That non-disclosure is criminal.

And it happens everywhere.
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https://texasscorecard.com/state/texas-lottery-scandal-widens-ticket-reseller-executives-enter-pleas-in-fraud-case/

Doesn't look like the Texas Lottery scandal is going away soon.

"Not mentioned in the filing is Lottery.com’s involvement in the rigged $95 million jackpot secured in April 2023, with the aid of the Texas Lottery’s former executive director, Gary Grief. In that situation, Lottery.com’s former CEO, Tony DiMetteo, reactivated the company’s lapsed license to allow for the printing of millions of tickets on a dozen machines delivered quickly to the organization’s offices, where no other retail business was conducted."

Amazing! Lottery.com wasn't even operating in Texas, before suddenly resurrecting itself to get a dozen machines to print millions of tickets!

Nothing to see here!

Meanwhile on NASDAQ Lottery.com only has good news.

And it's fighting the courier ban in Texas!




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The snippet from the Joan Ginther article below shows another blatant opportunity for rigging.

If a pack guarantees $340, and the used part of the pack had a worse than expected return, then obviously the remaining tickets will produce a better than expected return.

For example if the first 80% of a pack only yielded $90 then the remaining $200 of tickets guarantees at least $250.

So in that scenario what would the ticket seller do? Does anyone really believe that no seller would actually claim the free money for themselves by buying up as many tickets as needed to payout the $250+!

So we have the sobering situation where the destitutes who buy scratchies, actually get shafted even more.

Because the authorities have rigged the game even more!


"The specifications are even more precise than that. Each pack of tickets, for instance, is guaranteed to include a minimum dollar amount of prizes. A pack of the $140,000,000 Extreme Payout game—the game that Ginther won in June 2010—was guaranteed to include $340 worth of prizes. So if you spent $1,000 and bought a full pack, you could lose no more than $660. Not bad!"
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I don't buy scratchies, waste my money on Tattslotto, OZ Lotto, Powerball.Spend probably $1100 a year, return is about 20%. That's okay,$900 a year lost, the dreams are worth it Smile
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Originally posted by Whale Whale wrote:

I don't buy scratchies, waste my money on Tattslotto, OZ Lotto, Powerball.Spend probably $1100 a year, return is about 20%. That's okay,$900 a year lost, the dreams are worth it Smile
In such games the  return to overwhelming number of players is only ~20%.

Unless you actually win. But that's close enough to impossible.

Wouldn't it be much better to pursue a dream that at least has a ghost of a chance?

For example, if they stopped rigging Keno by implementing the simple changes I suggested, anyone chasing System 7 jackpots sanely would expect to win one a year, and finish in front!

And if those wowsers were really serious about problem gambling, they should stop those absurd misleading prevention ads, and instead publish the overall return % to players for each game and provider.

The current non-disclosure, courtesy of V'landys et al, would contravene ASIC requirements (not that ASIC ever bothers enforcing same). 





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Originally posted by Whale Whale wrote:

I don't buy scratchies, waste my money on Tattslotto, OZ Lotto, Powerball.Spend probably $1100 a year, return is about 20%. That's okay,$900 a year lost, the dreams are worth it Smile

Whale, for many, many years I didn’t take any kind of lotto ticket because of the return to players being so low - I think about 60%.

Not sure why but I started doing Sat Tatts a couple of years ago.

If I simply wanted to make money I’d play blackjack. But the hours and hours you need to sit at a table to earn your 2-3% advantage if you can count cards (easy) and play a basic strategy, takes the fun out of it.

That’s why most of my discretionary gambling dollar is spent on the horses 😀


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We live in Bendigo, a relatively affluent town though more than a few are struggling.

The Pharmacy up the road flogs stuff under the discredited Terry White name and does quite well with its Lotto outlet.  This in a medium range income demographic.

Whereas up in the News Agency at Eaglehawk, a proud but income challenged area of town, the queues are long between Thursday and Sunday in the Lotto area.  Just last week while waiting to purchase a crossword book on a Saturday morning couldn't help but observe about eight people purchase their lottery tickets.  Two at a cost of $60 and a further two more at a cost of between $100-120.  The Thursday lotto would  certainly be similar.

We're talking about unfortunately low income and pensioned people, all seeking a new life. But instead denying to themselves and/or dependents what they might otherwise appreciate after hundreds of dollars a week lost to lotteries.

So very sad.
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Originally posted by Freefall Freefall wrote:

Originally posted by Whale Whale wrote:

I don't buy scratchies, waste my money on Tattslotto, OZ Lotto, Powerball.Spend probably $1100 a year, return is about 20%. That's okay,$900 a year lost, the dreams are worth it Smile

Whale, for many, many years I didn’t take any kind of lotto ticket because of the return to players being so low - I think about 60%.

Not sure why but I started doing Sat Tatts a couple of years ago.

If I simply wanted to make money I’d play blackjack. But the hours and hours you need to sit at a table to earn your 2-3% advantage if you can count cards (easy) and play a basic strategy, takes the fun out of it.

That’s why most of my discretionary gambling dollar is spent on the horses 😀


You are correct Freefall - the concept of counting cards is simple enough. Unfortunately - so is the the ability of Casinos to be able to see it being done. The variation in stake is a dead giveaway according to the trend in count. If you are seen as a card counter you will be asked to refrain from playing

To be fair you might actually be given the benefit of the doubt day 1......however it would only be a matter of time before they caught up with you. Even the best....with disguises & staggered appearances eventually find it almost impossible to do it for a living. There are some brilliant doco's around of US Counters / scammers on the circuit in the US. What's also interesting is the swings & roundabouts they have over periods of time. Even a good card counter with an efficient staking strategy needs a bit of luck. Bit like tossing a coin......eventually maths say they will be equal......however that could take thousands of spins to achieve......& sometimes your time runs out for whatever reason before plays out.

And even if you could continually beat the house on occasions......what a bludger of a life to do it.

The other point i would make is a genuine "2 to 3%" edge.....even on a low stakes table.....would result in low thousands profit over a long nights play.
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I agree 100% Oneone.

I used to play minimum tables anyway so my table didn’t matter much to the pit bosses. They were more interested further up the food chain.

It’s a bit like betting on horses. You either go to the track for a good time out or you go because you have an abiding interest in the sport and maybe have some form analysis ability that gives you an edge.

A long time ago in Perth I spent hours learning how to count cards. Occasionally now, I play an online game and you never lose the ability to scan and count cards without “looking”.

It’s a bit of an intellectual challenge for me.
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A quick one about why I don’t tell Mrs Freefall my wins, losses, horses I’m shares in etc.

We used to go for weekends skydiving at Kambalda near Kalgoorlie.

One weekend cloud cover was too low so we went to the illegal twoup game out of Kal.

“How do we find the game mate?”

“Drive 15kms up this road, turn right at the red 44 gallon drum, go over the cattle grid and turn left. Can’t miss it!”

About 80 people playing. After half an hour I was up $200. I pulled out a bit later up $150. Nice afternoon in 1984.

Mrs Freefall, for more than 40 years swears I “lost” $50 👀🤯
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Originally posted by oneonesit oneonesit wrote:

Originally posted by Freefall Freefall wrote:

Originally posted by Whale Whale wrote:

I don't buy scratchies, waste my money on Tattslotto, OZ Lotto, Powerball.Spend probably $1100 a year, return is about 20%. That's okay,$900 a year lost, the dreams are worth it Smile

Whale, for many, many years I didn’t take any kind of lotto ticket because of the return to players being so low - I think about 60%.

Not sure why but I started doing Sat Tatts a couple of years ago.

If I simply wanted to make money I’d play blackjack. But the hours and hours you need to sit at a table to earn your 2-3% advantage if you can count cards (easy) and play a basic strategy, takes the fun out of it.

That’s why most of my discretionary gambling dollar is spent on the horses 😀


You are correct Freefall - the concept of counting cards is simple enough. Unfortunately - so is the the ability of Casinos to be able to see it being done. The variation in stake is a dead giveaway according to the trend in count. If you are seen as a card counter you will be asked to refrain from playing

To be fair you might actually be given the benefit of the doubt day 1......however it would only be a matter of time before they caught up with you. Even the best....with disguises & staggered appearances eventually find it almost impossible to do it for a living. There are some brilliant doco's around of US Counters / scammers on the circuit in the US. What's also interesting is the swings & roundabouts they have over periods of time. Even a good card counter with an efficient staking strategy needs a bit of luck. Bit like tossing a coin......eventually maths say they will be equal......however that could take thousands of spins to achieve......& sometimes your time runs out for whatever reason before plays out.

And even if you could continually beat the house on occasions......what a bludger of a life to do it.

The other point i would make is a genuine "2 to 3%" edge.....even on a low stakes table.....would result in low thousands profit over a long nights play.
Not even.
If you can do it, in a manner that’s undetectable.
You are “earning” minimum wage.


As an aside, one of my brothers worked with a woman who was part of the team that the MIT professor depicted in the movie 21 used to beat the casinos.
Pretty much all her expenses were “comped” by the casinos.
The prof paid for her clothes, and pretty much kept all the profits.
She did it for the experience, she actually made eff all.
After she immigrated here, she worked on the biggest desk in the trading room of one of our largest Banks, so she had a sharp mind.


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https://www.newyorker.com/news/letter-from-the-southwest/the-scheme-that-broke-the-texas-lottery

New article about the ongoing Texas saga.

Mainly about Dawn Nettles who first sounded the alarm while the rigging was in progress. The media picked up on that and eventually disbanded the TLC.

We could use a few more Dawns like her here.

Fat chance of anything like that happening here. Much easier to win the lottery!

That's while we have V'landys and his ilk at large ensuring the media is forbidden to mouth any criticism of the ongoing shenanigans.

Reminiscent of the Franker Packer days, where he barred any unflattering reports about crime bosses like Joe Taylor.

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Governor Greg Abbott finally abolishes the Texas Lottery Commission.

At first glance this appears to be a comprehensive review of the incidents leading up to the decision, including a video of children perhaps involved in procuring Zeljko's cloaca load of tickets.

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Cloaca?
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https://www.lotterypost.com/news/355531

$83.5 million Lotto Texas jackpot winner will receive prize payout from Texas Lottery



The low-lives should have been sued for the obvious emotional pain and suffering from their stunt.

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This was great.. reminds me of the 100 million powerball ticket sold a couple of months ago that hasn't been collected yet that was bought in Bondi internet cafe.



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