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    Posted: 07 Apr 2023 at 11:59pm
Hello,
when I check the several 2 and 3 year olds in my Country Racing Stables/Breeding News.
I spot some interesting Peds, both from the damline of Torquator Tasso (now at Stud) and his HB Tunnes.

At first "Talasar" (Masar - Tusked Wings by Adlerflug, colt), he is bred as follows:
4x5x5 Allegretta/Alya FS
4x4 Sadlers Wells
5x5 Sharpen Up
Sire "Masar":
3x4 Urban Sea
3x4 Ahonoora
dam "Tusked Wings":
3x3 Allegretta/Alya,
damsire "Adlerflug":
4x4 Mill Reef
3x4 ND


A yet unnamed filly (yearling, NH) from 2022.
Frankel - Tellez by Guiliani:
3x3 Tertullian/Urban Sae FB/FS
4x5x5 Allegretta
damsire of "Frankel":
3x3 Natalma
dam "Tellez":
3x3 Turbaine
5x5x5 Sharpen Up
5x4 Surumu
5x6 Riverman
5x5 ND
damsire "Toylsome"
his dam Treasure Trove (!)
1x3 Nijinsky/The Minstrel 3/4 relatives

Let's see, how they run in the future.

A Happy Easter to everyone and 
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Wow, there's certainly some line/in-breeding with those two Ticino!
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  Unnamed    
Masar (IRE)
Chestnut 2015		 New Approach
Chestnut 2005		 Galileo
Bay 1998		 Sadler's Wells
Bay 1981		 Northern Dancer
Fairy Bridge		 1961
1975		 2-d
5-h
Urban Sea
Chestnut 1989		 Miswaki
Allegretta		 1978
1978		 16-g
9-h
Park Express
Bay or brown 1983		 Ahonoora
Chestnut 1975		 Lorenzaccio
Helen Nichols		 1965
1966		 5-h
1-m
Matcher
Brown 1966		 Match
Lachine		 1958
1960		 16-g
19-b
Khawlah
Bay 2008		 Cape Cross
Bay 1994		 Green Desert
Bay 1983		 Danzig
Foreign Courier		 1977
1979		 7-a
A4
Park Appeal
Bay or brown 1982		 Ahonoora
Balidaress		 1975
1973		 1-m
14-c
Villarrica
Chestnut 2002		 Selkirk
Chestnut 1988		 Sharpen Up
Annie Edge		 1969
1980		 5-i
15-a
Melikah
Chestnut 1997		 Lammtarra
Urban Sea		 1992
1989		 22-b
9-h
Tusked Wings (GER)
Chestnut 2014		 Adlerflug
Chestnut 2004		 In the Wings
Bay 1986		 Sadler's Wells
Bay 1981		 Northern Dancer
Fairy Bridge		 1961
1975		 2-d
5-h
High Hawk
Bay 1980		 Shirley Heights
Sunbittern		 1975
1970		 1-l
9-e
Aiyana
Bay 1993		 Last Tycoon
Bay or brown 1983		 Try My Best
Mill Princess		 1975
1977		 8-f
8-c
Alya
Chestnut 1984		 Lombard
Anatevka		 1967
1969		 1-d
9-h
Tucana
Chestnut 1999		 Acatenango
Chestnut 1982		 Surumu
Chestnut 1974		 Literat
Surama		 1965
1970		 7-b
19>
Aggravate
Bay 1966		 Aggressor
Raven Locks		 1955
1945		 10-d
11-a
Turbaine
Chestnut 1990		 Trempolino
Chestnut 1984		 Sharpen Up
Trephine		 1969
1977		 5-i
26>
Allegretta
Chestnut 1978		 Lombard
Anatevka		 1967
1969		 1-d
9-h
  Ancestor duplications: Sadler's Wells 4m x 4m   Urban Sea 4m,5f x   Allegretta 5f x 4f  
    Ahonoora 4f,5f x   Sharpen Up 5m x 5m   Lombard x 5f,5f  
    Anatevka x 5f,5f
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  Unnamed    
Frankel (GB)
Bay 2008		 Galileo
Bay 1998		 Sadler's Wells
Bay 1981		 Northern Dancer
Bay 1961		 Nearctic
Natalma		 1954
1957		 14-c
2-d
Fairy Bridge
Bay 1975		 Bold Reason
Special		 1968
1969		 19-b
5-h
Urban Sea
Chestnut 1989		 Miswaki
Chestnut 1978		 Mr Prospector
Hopespringseternal		 1970
1971		 13-c
16-g
Allegretta
Chestnut 1978		 Lombard
Anatevka		 1967
1969		 1-d
9-h
Kind
Bay 2001		 Danehill
Bay 1986		 Danzig
Bay 1977		 Northern Dancer
Pas de Nom		 1961
1968		 2-d
7-a
Razyana
Bay 1981		 His Majesty
Spring Adieu		 1968
1974		 4-d
2-d
Rainbow Lake
Bay 1990		 Rainbow Quest
Bay 1981		 Blushing Groom
I Will Follow		 1974
1975		 22-d
14-f
Rockfest
Chestnut 1979		 Stage Door Johnny
Rock Garden		 1965
1970		 1-l
1-k
Tellez (GER)
Bay 2018		 Guiliani
Bay 2011		 Tertullian
Chestnut 1995		 Miswaki
Chestnut 1978		 Mr Prospector
Hopespringseternal		 1970
1971		 13-c
16-g
Turbaine
Chestnut 1990		 Trempolino
Allegretta		 1984
1978		 26>
9-h
Guadalupe
Black 1999		 Monsun
Bay or brown 1990		 Konigsstuhl
Mosella		 1976
1985		 5-h
8-a
Guernica
Bay 1994		 Unfuwain
Greenvera		 1985
1989		 2-f
22-d
Tijuana
Chestnut 2011		 Toylsome
Chestnut 1999		 Cadeaux Genereux
Chestnut 1985		 Young Generation
Smarten Up		 1976
1975		 13-e
10-b
Treasure Trove
Chestnut 1989		 The Minstrel
River Jig		 1974
1984		 8-f
2-f
Tucana
Chestnut 1999		 Acatenango
Chestnut 1982		 Surumu
Aggravate		 1974
1966		 19>
11-a
Turbaine
Chestnut 1990		 Trempolino
Allegretta		 1984
1978		 26>
9-h
  Ancestor duplications: Northern Dancer 4m,5m x   Miswaki 4f x 4m   Allegretta 4f x 5f,5f  
    Turbaine x 4m,4f
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Hello,
here is one more "inbred" ped of the same broodmare "Tusked Wings"(Family of Torquator Tasso,
HB Tünnes), btw "Tiara Hilleshage" (FS) just had her debut as 2 year old, but she ran a 5thplace.

Her daughter Tasmania (Australia - Tusked Wings by Adlerflug) just ran a 3rd place at the"Prix de Diane" in France.

She is bred 3x4 Sadlers Wells, 4x4x4 Allegretta/Alya are FS's.

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thanks ticino and Djebel.  Very interesting.
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The Gp3 Gordon Stakes for 3yos at Goodwood has been won by the King's colt, Desert Hero (3c Sea The Stars x Desert Breeze, by Dubawi x Galatee, by Galileo). So , he has a 2x4 cross to Urban Sea. Bred by the Royal Stud so I guess that is not surprising.
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The “kings colt”


I know old mummy had an interesting the sport  but does our king?
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The King is being dragged kicking and screaming to the races by his Queen.
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I dont believe Charles would be nuts enough to disperse the Royal Stud at Sandringham, given the  history of the place back thru his ancestors, and its an institution for visitors on their Ascot jaunt.
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Hello,
here is one more inbred peds with the Allegretta/Alya family.

A 3 year old filly(NH), her name is "Meer" (Sea the Stars -Meergorl by Adlerflug) is bred as follows:
2x3 Urban Sea/Tertullian 3/4 relatives (Sire/Broodmare)
3x4x5 Allegretta/Alya FS.
The 3/4 relatives Sadlers Wells/Nureyev, see the dam

bred by the "Görlsdorf Stud" (neat Angermünde, North East of Berlin) +

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Thanks Ticino.  I see she's showing some ability already as a young 3yo.
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Hello,
here is the "Ped" of  a foal from 2024 bred in my Home country.

Unnamed (Born to Sea - Aylia by Tertullian):
2x2  Tertullian/Urban Sea 3/4 relatives (M/F)
3x4x4 Allegretta/Alya FS
4x4 Sharpen Up

It's very rare to see close inbreeding with female descents.
Obviously German breeders not shying away from this kind of breeding.

Best regards from Germany
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Btw.: My "Fourlegged Namesake" didn't show any inbreeding in his ped.
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This may be of interest Ticino, given her German ancestry  Big smile

Sunshine Jenni (AUS) 2021
 Life Number: AUS01245998brown fillyDate of Birth: 28/08/2021 
 Microchip Number: 985100012203757DNA Typed: Y 
 by The Autumn Sun (AUS) 2015 
 from Networking (GER) 2013 
 bred by Arrowfield Pastoral Pty Ltd, NSW 
Official Australian Stud Book Pedigree
Redoute's Choice (AUS) 1996
Danehill (USA) 1986
Shantha's Choice (AUS) 1992
The Autumn Sun (AUS) 2015
Foal ref: :
Azmiyna (IRE) 2010
Galileo (IRE) 1998
Asmara (USA) 1993
Sunshine Jenni (AUS) 2021
Foal ref: :
Invincible Spirit (IRE) 1997
Green Desert (USA) 1983
Rafha (GB) 1987
Networking (GER) 2014
Foal ref: :
Nina Celebre (IRE) 2006
Peintre Celebre (USA) 1994
Next Gina (GER) 2000
Taproot: Networking (GER) 2014
Career:  2-1-0-0    Prizemoney: $22,500 
Last Three Runs
PosDateTrackDistClassJockeyBrWgtPriceFirst/Second
1 of 124/05/2025SALE Soft1411MDN-SWP Moloney257.5$8.502 Cologne 1-25.87
T 2 of 822/04/2025PAKM1000Jump Out - G4C Newitt1 Three Point Turn 0-58.29
T 2 of 81/04/2025PAKM1000Jump Out - G4C Newitt1 My Friday Beau 0-59.86
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Helloo, Gay,
many thanks for the advise of above mentioned filly.
She is a close relativ of "Pakistan Star" (they both share 'Nina Celebre'), who raced in Hong Kong.

The breeding background is the "Nella da Gubbio" branch of the Catnip family (Spearmint), imported during the 1920's for German interest.
Since  a few years it had a great "comeback", via Nightrockette (by Rocket) with descents like Night Petticoat, Next Gina/Next Desert, Nightflower, Novellist etc.

Btw, Inbreeding - linebreeding to Urban Sea and her family will feature for the next few years.
(Quote by Djebel) some years ago! Yes, you were right with your prophecy!

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Thanks you for those interesting details Ticino Thumbs Up
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Hello,
maybe it's a kind of "hoofnote".
During the early '60 a Sire was imported to AUS, from the abovementioned damline.
His name was Novalis (Owen Tudor - Hyperion o/o Nadia by Ticino).

You will spot his name from time to time in contemporary "Race Horses" in your home country.

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Only we oldies will remember Ticino.

Brilliantly bred fellow by Owen Tudor from the direct female family of the marvelous Catnip.
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Star Shower, a 1976 colt by Star Of Heaven x Show, by Novalis was a brilliant 2yo who won all 5 of his starts including the Blue Diamond Stakes, Maribyrnong Plate & Merson Cooper Stakes.



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This filly foal born 17/05/25 has

Green Desert (m), producing two sons - not good for a colt or a filly foal.
Kingmambo (m), producing a son and daughter - good for a colt foal.
Allegretta (f), producing a son and daughter - good for a filly foal.
Sadler's Wells (m) producing a daughter and son  - good for a colt foal.
Gone West (m), producing a son and daughter - good for a colt foal.
Zaizafon (f), producing a son and daughter - good for a filly foal.
Dancing Brave (m), producing a daughter (Hope) and a daughter (Wemyss Bight) -  good for a filly foal.
Bahamian (f), producing a daughter and a daughter -  perhaps extra stamina?
Shirley Heights (m), producing a daughter and a daughter -  good for a filly foal.

There is a daughter of Northern Dancer (m) to offset his many sons.
You might notice that the sire Mill Reef (m) produces two sons and two daughters - good for a colt foal.

Zamindar (m) and Western Appeal (f) are full sibling brother and sister - good for a colt or filly foal. 
Hope (f) and Wemyss Bight (f) are full sibling sisters.  - good for a colt or filly foal. 
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Pedigree is too busy for me Diomed, though others may well disagree.
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Unnamed    
Headman (GB)
Bay 2016		 Kingman
Bay 2011		 Invincible Spirit
Bay 1997		 Green Desert
Bay 1983		 Danzig
Foreign Courier		 1977
1979		 7-a
A4
Rafha
Bay 1987		 Kris
Eljazzi		 1976
1981		 2-o
7-a
Zenda
Bay 1999		 Zamindar
Bay 1994		 Gone West
Zaizafon		 1984
1982		 2-f
9-e
Hope
Bay 1991		 Dancing Brave
Bahamian		 1983
1985		 3-d
19>
Deliberate
Bay 2006		 King's Best
Bay 1997		 Kingmambo
Bay 1990		 Mr Prospector
Miesque		 1970
1984		 13-c
20>
Allegretta
Chestnut 1978		 Lombard
Anatevka		 1967
1969		 1-d
9-h
Dance Routine
Bay 1999		 Sadler's Wells
Bay 1981		 Northern Dancer
Fairy Bridge		 1961
1975		 2-d
5-h
Apogee
Bay 1990		 Shirley Heights
Bourbon Girl		 1975
1984		 1-l
4-m
Maymay (FR)
Bay 2021		 Cloth of Stars
Bay 2013		 Sea the Stars
Bay 2006		 Cape Cross
Bay 1994		 Green Desert
Park Appeal		 1983
1982		 A4
14-c
Urban Sea
Chestnut 1989		 Miswaki
Allegretta		 1978
1978		 16-g
9-h
Strawberry Fledge
Bay 2005		 Kingmambo
Bay 1990		 Mr Prospector
Miesque		 1970
1984		 13-c
20>
Lingerie
Bay 1988		 Shirley Heights
Northern Trick		 1975
1981		 1-l
4-m
Desert Image
Bay 2010		 Beat Hollow
Bay 1997		 Sadler's Wells
Bay 1981		 Northern Dancer
Fairy Bridge		 1961
1975		 2-d
5-h
Wemyss Bight
Bay 1990		 Dancing Brave
Bahamian		 1983
1985		 3-d
19>
Western Appeal
Bay or brown 1997		 Gone West
Bay 1984		 Mr Prospector
Secrettame		 1970
1978		 13-c
2-f
Zaizafon
Chestnut 1982		 The Minstrel
Mofida		 1974
1974		 8-f
9-e
  Ancestor duplications: Green Desert 4m x 5m   Gone West 5m x 4f   Zaizafon 5m x 4f  
    Dancing Brave 5f x 5f   Bahamian 5f x 5f   Mr Prospector 5m x 5m,5m  
    Kingmambo 4m x 4f   Allegretta 4m x 5f   Sadler's Wells 4f x 4m  
    Shirley Heights 5f x 5f              
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Pedigree is too busy for me Diomed, though others may well disagree.

That was and is my worry.
The pedigree is like a cup of tea with a dozen teaspoons of sugar.
I threw the kitchen sink in there and then threw in a few more.

I appreciate that you gave a straight-up opinion, and I much prefer that to no comment, or a watering down. I have no idea if it will work, or will be a disaster.

The filly looks alright, no physical defects as far as we can see. 
The one odd thing about her is she has two large white spots (about 10 cms) on her face, one on the forehead and one on the nose.
It looks like a seagull flew overhead and dumped on her.
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Thank djebel for the pedigree chart.
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Looking at djebel's Ancestor duplications: I can see that they are all in the 4th and 5th generations, and 21 in total. 
Is 21 a record? Shocked
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Interesting race this one from a future point of view.


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Maymay was pretty keenly tested as a 2yo.
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Maymay was pretty keenly tested as a 2yo.

Yes, and she did not win in nine races.
She is only 15.0 hands and often ran against colts.
One of her good races was a 4th in the Woodcote Stakes (first run 1794) at Epsom in 2023.
The horse in 3rd was Haatem who went on to be 3rd in the English 2000 and 2nd in the Irish 2000.

I will get Maymay Speed Gene DNA tested by Plusvital/Equinome soon but put it off when she was pregnant.
Her sire was a 12f horse. She ran from 1000m to 1600m as a 2yo.
I would love to find out she is a T.T (stayer) but I suspect she is a C.T.
foalmare.com - my thoughts about pedigree
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