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    Posted: 16 Mar 2007 at 9:58pm
http://www.horsetalk.co.nz/news/2007/03/023.shtml
What next? Interesting read all the same & relevant as they are actually, intended future gallopers.
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Interesting. But, i have seen a horse racing (name eludes me) that has a big white patch on its gut
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Saw a harness racing calendar from the UK last week and it had a heap of coloured (pinto/paint) stallions at stud.  Can't recall seeing any 'coloured' standardbreds racing here.
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Bold Personality had his colour changed.
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Karamea Snow trained by Sam Zammit in Qld back in the early 70's. a black and white gelding. May of had couple wins at Albion Park, have photo if you want
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forgot to mention Karamea Snow was Standardbred
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There has been a few interesting coloured thoroughbreds. This is a
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Interesting marking on foal born at Roski Stud in SAF, by Curved Ball (AUS) out of Lonhroyale (AUS), by Lonhro (AUS)

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I'd call that one "paintball"
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Hello,
here in Germany races a "Pint Thoroughbred" named Silvery Moon
(I was Framed - Artzola by Alzao), bred in France and was purchased for 12.000 Euros.

He is now a year old and was placed at listed Level as 2 year old. So far I know he has own 1 race at a medioocre Level.

Because of his unsual Colour he attracted a lot of racegoers. He has a Fcebook following in my homecountry.

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awesome colours Ticino. i can see why there is a following
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He is stunning looks to have abit of speed tooSmile
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One in a Million Filly - You've Never Seen a Thoroughbred Like This
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The 2019 Magic Millions National Sale moves into its third week at the Gold Coast on Wednesday with the yearlings taking centre stage and while there have been many horses offered at this sale so far, none are anything like this one.

A one of a kind roan paint thoroughbred will be going through the ring on Friday 7 June starting at 10am as Lot 2440.





A childhood dream for SE Asian based American Entrepreneur and Owner/Breeder Jesse Davison of Expectations Bloodstock the filly is by Coolmore Ireland's Champion 2yo and twice European Champion 2YO Sire Shuttle Stallion, Holy Roman Emperor (USA) from Lilac In Style.



"The racing industry always needs news fans, and she will truly draw interest from old fans while at the same time creating new ones," said Jesse Davison.

Holy Roman Emperor filly from Lilac in Style

Holy Roman Emperor filly from Lilac in Style

"We kept her off social media and a secret until now as it takes time for colored foals to shed out and show their final adult colors, and unlike grey horses, she should never fade to white and loose the color.


"While it is hard enough to breed a racehorse that can perform, let alone a uniquely colored one, I was lucky enough to have so much industry support to make my dream come true in Australia. Specifically the team and owners at Aquis Farm who stood Holy Roman Emperor, Justin Fung, Shane McGrath, Bernie Kane, Sarah Gardner, Tommy Inglis and Marty Roberts(who is now at Cornerstone Stud) and my good friend Jason Carkeet who raised her at Mojo Park in Baruba and of course Kandice Pritchard of KBL Thoroughbreds in Beaudesert who prepared her for this sale."

Years of planning, research, and a lot of luck all came together after purchasing privately the filly's dam, a minimally marked colored mare named Lilac In Style.

This stunning filly is one of a kind

This stunning filly is one of a kind

The color producing genes in this case come from the mare's side of the family (she is by coloured stallion Profile in Style (USA), but Mr. Davison passionately spent hundreds of hours studying the color patterns and white markings of every stallion standing in Australia and their progeny before choosing Holy Roman Emperor as the stallion he best believed with a little luck would produce his dream horse….

"A maximally expressed colored horse that could both run and was loved by the public," Davison revealed.

Paint Thoroughbreds are rare, especially in Australia where according to the Australian Stud book's 2018 Foal Crop Color Trends were the following:

Bay 53%
Chestnut 19%,
Brown 12%
Bay-Brown 11%
Grey 3%
Brown Black 2%
Black 1%

This rare and beautiful thoroughbred will be offered for sale at the Gold Coast this week

This rare and beautiful thoroughbred will be offered for sale at the Gold Coast this week

Of the 13,082 foals born in 2017 no other thoroughbred is believed to carry the same color genes, both paint and a possible undiscovered new roan color gene not previously seen in thoroughbreds.

The exact number of thoroughbred paint horses born worldwide is unknown but it is believed there are less than 100-200 maximally expressed paint thoroughbreds in the world with most being bred for their color patterns and not to race.

Mr Davison hopes that this filly can follow in the footsteps of other uniquely marked fan favorite and talented racehorses such as multi-millionaire Apache Cat, the much loved but ill-fated Miss Vista, or the spotted Japanese wonder Buchiko.

And while some in the industry may not share his dream of colored racehorses, just to show that he doesn't take things too seriously with the filly, she is branded with a surprised smiley face emoji. Also a first.

See this amazing filly at Stable T 12.
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Surely not to race tho ?   Gypsy eyes, and coloured genes by the zillions !  The people who breed for colour and show will surely be out in force for this filly ?
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There’s an interesting looking horse going around in SA called Kimmie Quick Shows. Hasn’t shown much in her races, but she’s a lovely looking horse. Would love to see her show one day.
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Hello,
some time ago, a coloured thoroughbred "Silvery Moon" raced in Germany, with some success. Of course he had a huge following. After his racing career ended he found a place at Stud. Admittingly not at a Racehorse Stud, but at the "Marbach Stud", best known  for many decades for it's pure Arabian breds. Beside these breds they keeping Warmblood Stallions.
 
Just for fun I did a Hypo mating Silvery Moon/Lilac in Style. Guess what I found!
Lilac in Style, sire Profile in Style is by Elusive Quest
Silvery Moon, Sire I was Framed is Racy Remark
 
Both Sire are FB's, I was Framed and Profile in Style are Close relatives.
 
Pity , Silvery Moon stands in my homecountry
 
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Hi Ticino,

You don’t ever want to linebreed horses with this particular colour pattern. Frame Overo leads to white markings (sometimes very minimal) when heterozygous and is 100% lethal for homozygous offspring. Foals born with Overo Lethal White syndrome do not have full developed digestive systems and will fatally colic within days after birth, assuming they are not humanely euthanized first.

I understand the owners’ desire for a coloured goal but at the same time this horse does have a genetic defect and if she is used for breeding her owners will need to take care with her.
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Foals, not goals.  Stupid autocorrect.
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Thanks Kimberley for pointing out the lethal white.   I have said in my circles that TB breeders need to be aware of lethal white, as many dont seem to know about it.
Its a horrible thing to inflict on a foal.

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I'm a bit surprised that the Australian stud book allowed her damsire Profile in Style to be imported, given that he carries a known genetic defect.  Pretty spots are all well and good...except it's a horrible way for a foal to die, puts the mare at risk (because every pregnancy is risky), and could be a very expensive mistake for a breeder.


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Originally posted by Kimberley Mine Kimberley Mine wrote:

I'm a bit surprised that the Australian stud book allowed her damsire Profile in Style to be imported, given that he carries a known genetic defect.  Pretty spots are all well and good...except it's a horrible way for a foal to die, puts the mare at risk (because every pregnancy is risky), and could be a very expensive mistake for a breeder.


They didn't even know about it! Angry I rang the studbook to ask, and they were not even told about it by the owners, then they contacted them and were assured it would be ok. Yeah, until people start breeding those lines together Angry
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Not 100% sure, but I thought Winning Colours Farm had researched the lethal white gene and Profile In Style was free from it. There have certainly been other foals bred, registered and raced from this farm.
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Winning Colours,,,Peta O ,,,is aware of lethal white.   She tests mares before she mates  to make sure the crossed genes wont produce LW.  However, many other breeders with coloured stallions dont. 
And TB breeders seem pretty vague about it all. 
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Originally posted by Dizzy Dizzy wrote:

Not 100% sure, but I thought Winning Colours Farm had researched the lethal white gene and Profile In Style was free from it. There have certainly been other foals bred, registered and raced from this farm.

This is true.  However, Winning Colours IS breeding to sell their horses on, and some of the future owners and owners of WCF descendants will breed from those horses.

You don't know what you don't know.  And if you don't know that Frame Overo is 100% fatal with two copies of the gene, you can wind up with an ugly surprise.

IHO the most straightforward way to go -- although colour breeders will squawk -- is to require that horses with a parent carrying Frame be tested and the results of the test put on the papers at registration.  No test, no registration, no exceptions, no excuses.  The Australian Quarter Horse registry already does this.

I would personally go one step further and require that all colts born after a certain date carrying Frame must be gelded as a condition of registration.  Fillies could be kept as breeding stock -- which, not even slightly coincidentally, will give breeders an incentive to breed for other things besides colour.  If you risk getting a plain horse, you'd best breed a GOOD horse or it winds up at the doggers.

There are other white patterns available that are not homozygous lethal.  The Opera House has a colt foal who may still be an entire and she is still breeding.  The Japanese mare Shirayukihime has had several colt foals, one of which has been reasonably successful on the track and is quite well-bred.  She has several daughters who are now in the shed and having sons who could go to stud.  
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Cheers KM, I am one of those who don't know. And as you say, if Aus QH has already taken a stance why wouldn't the Thoroughbred world.
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Originally posted by Dizzy Dizzy wrote:

Cheers KM, I am one of those who don't know. And as you say, if Aus QH has already taken a stance why wouldn't the Thoroughbred world.

Truthfully -- they don't know what they don't know, either.  (This is not intended unkindly...we've all had those days.)

Now combine not knowing what they didn't know with either a lack of foresight or lack of experience in managing genetic defects in their registry.  And...this should be their warning.  It's one thing to have a  Frame horse seeing maybe 5-10 mares a year, and quite another if a nasty de novo mutation pops up in a major stallion or mare line, which could happen at any time really (see: Shellscrape and foals with no tails).

Quarter Horses have a slew of really nasty ones...HYPP, a defect in potassium metabolism that can range from annoying to fatal and there's no knowing when your number will come up; HERDA, which in its heterozygous form is advantageous to competition and in its homozygous form the horse's skin will literally peel off; and of course Frame.  The AusQH registry has a long set of bylaws on whether these horses can be registered, if they can be registered only if they are surgically sterilized (female and male both), what info must be put on their registration papers, and so on.  They would be a good model for AJC to follow.

It would take some starch to do this, seeing as this has the potential to cost some big-name people a lot of money and/or make their breeding stock near-useless if it happens in a really key sireline.  This absolutely happened in the USA when HYPP was first identified.  If the goal is to have healthy, sound animals who are not suffering due to human vanity and greed, though, it's the right thing to do.

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Thumbs Up And stay on the soapbox as long as you like. The information you have provided is definitley thought provoking, and I agree that minimising harm done to animals by us humans is always worth shouting about.
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I hope they listen KM.  I've never heard of this before reading up on these horses either.  As the thoroughbred never had these colours before (how did they even get registered?) so you can understand not knowing but you have told them now so it would only be responsible of them to contact the QHorse stud book and find out the way to go.  Otherwise its just head in the sand response.
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Furious, white and spotted thoroughbreds are not new. There’s a pretty famous old English painting of a loudly spotted thoroughbred, I’ll see if I can find it.

In the past, they were shipped off to Argentina (where there was a local market), passed along without registration, or killed. Frame Overo is not a new mutation, hence rules about excessive white in various registries. There was no way to verify parentage, so many spotted horses were assumed to be from fence jumpers and not fit to race or breed.

I personally think the Frame thoroughbreds, which all descend from one line, are likely to have been the result of a somebody jumping a fence rather than a de novo mutation. As there was no DNA testing at the time and the mare in question had “normal” white—because Frame can hide—it didn’t get noticed until boom, loud goal. It’s also classic Frame, not some new variation, and the likelihood that the exact same mutation occurred spontaneously in different cases. Even amongst the white TB lines extant, they are all different mutations of KIT.

Other white strains and patterns are the result of de novo mutations, such as The Opera House or Apache Cat. Still other colour patterns can hide for years before being loudly expressed, think flaxen chestnuts with a lot of white whose parents both were Bay or brown with a white suppression gene.
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