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    Posted: 14 Mar 2024 at 4:59pm

‘Capitalism is dead. Now we have something much worse’: Yanis Varoufakis on extremism, Starmer, and the tyranny of big tech


In his new book, Technofeudalism, the maverick Greek economist says we are witnessing an epochal shift. At his island home of Aegina, he argues it’s no longer the global finance system that shapes us, but the ‘fiefdoms’ of tech firms

What could be more delightful than a trip to Greece to meet Yanis Varoufakis, the charismatic leftwing firebrand who tried to stick it to the man, AKA the IMF, EU and entire global financial order? The mental imagery I have before the visit is roughly two parts Zorba the Greek to one part an episode of BBC series Holiday from the Jill Dando era: blue skies, blue sea, maybe some plate breaking in a jolly taverna. What I’m not expecting is a wall of flames rippling across a hillside next to the highway from the airport and a plume of black smoke billowing across the carriageway.Because even a modernist villa on a hillside on the island of Aegina – a fast ferry ride from the port of Piraeus and the summer bolthole of chic Athenians – is not the sanctuary from the modern world that it might once have been.

The house is where Varoufakis and his wife, landscape artist Danae Stratou, live, year round since the pandemic, but in August 2023 at the end of a summer of heatwaves and extreme weather conditions across the world, it feels more than a little apocalyptic. The sun is a dim orange orb struggling to shine through a haze of smoke while a shower of fine ash falls invisibly from the sky. A month later, two years’ worth of rain will fall in a single day in northern Greece, causing a biblical deluge and never-before-seen levels of flooding.

That the end of the world feels just a little bit nearer here than it does in some places may not be coincidental to Varoufakis’s having written a new book called TechnofeudalismWhat Killed Capitalism. Nor that the book comes to the conclusion that capitalism has been replaced with something even worse. Not the glorious socialist revolution that his hero Marx foresaw. Nor some new mutation of capitalism such as the one detailed by Shoshana Zuboff in her surprise 2019 bestseller, The Age of Surveillance Capitalism. We’re now in servitude, Varoufakis argues, to the fiefdoms of our new global masters, Lord Zuckerberg of Facelandia and Sir Musk of the rotten borough of X.

It’s a big-picture hypothesis rooted in a historical account of how capitalism came into being that describes what is happening in terms of an epochal, once-in-a-millennium shift. In some ways, it’s a relief to have a politician – any politician – talking about this stuff. Because in Varoufakis’s telling, this isn’t just new technology. This is the world grappling with an entirely new economic system and therefore political power.

“Imagine the following scene straight out of the science fiction storybook,” he writes. “You are beamed into a town full of people going about their business, trading in gadgets, clothes, shoes, books, songs, games and movies. At first everything looks normal. Until you begin to notice something odd. It turns out all the shops, indeed every building, belongs to a chap called Jeff. What’s more, everyone walks down different streets, and sees different stores because everything is intermediated by his algorithm… an algorithm that dances to Jeff’s tune.”

It might look like a market, but Varoufakis says it’s anything but. Jeff (Bezos, the owner of Amazon) doesn’t produce capital, he argues. He charges rent. Which isn’t capitalism, it’s feudalism. And us? We’re the serfs. “Cloud serfs”, so lacking in class consciousness that we don’t even realise that the tweeting and posting that we’re doing is actually building value in these companies.

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I saw this guy on Q&A recently and found his ideas interesting, he was also on the press club yesterday if anyone wants to pull that up on Iview and watch him.


One thing that struck me was he said that Social Democracy died and no one has noticed, it was planned that way.


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Well lets see.

1. Capitalism is dead. Capitalism is a flawed economic system which at a national level is incapable of being sustained. The intermittent booms and bust of the economies is like walking on a specific section of carpet many times. Eventually the carpet is damaged and you need to replace it. The amount of consumerism that is required to keep companies making huge profits for their shareholders is unsustainable (this is why governments allow businesses to raise prices when wages do not grow at the same rate and this causes cost of living stress, stress which some people find too much and they can not handle that stress). And anyone who knows how the mortgage lending system works knows how the system relies on new customers, to fund the next customer in line. 

2. Tech firms are the new non-elected controllers of the world. Just like the wealthy families of Europe (usually royalty, and nearly always non-elected), then the large scale business owners, then the land owners, then the industrialists, then the new technology businesses such as automobile, telegraph/telephone and electrical, and then the superpowers after world war 2, the money lenders in the 1980's when credit became the norm, and now the tech companies, this has happened in cycles, but with the tech companies it is more insidious because they have the ability to control information and the facts that the public rely on, to understand how the world works. 

3. He is correct that if you change an economic system you change the economy and there for change who controls the economy, taking it away from the elected officials to then be at the whims of a business person who has no need to adhere to guidleines and standards that governments are bound by (just look at the privatisation of government agencies). Just as the old money nations in Europe had dominated until the Second World War, the US has dominated since and just like the Europeans who destroyed their influence and empires with their stupidity, the US has done, and is in the middle of doing, the exact same thing. Marx had some very good ideas, but he also had some very bad ideas which is one reason, communism, while being a theoretically sound political structure, can never ever work in a community of humans. It has flaws which become heightened if one person at the top has no oversight.

4. I think his example at the end is a very good, and correct example. The way our lives are now structured, we rent our education (and most of those who do rent an education will never be able to pay the rent), we rent our homes for most of our lives until hopefully we own it outright when we turn 55 or 60 years old, we rent our jobs (employment, especially for lower paid positions has become transient and non permanent), and the cycle within our economic structure starts all over again with our children and we have seen how that works with our children and grand children trying to buy a house.

But what is the use in saying these things when most people will not listen.

And you might say keep saying these type of things, but until people willingly do not vote for the corrupted systems and groups within that system we are at the mercy of the system.

We can start by not voting in elections where no candidate is worth voting for!

          
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It is almost here.

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If only the parliament was filled with independents like Ted Mack. My hero.

Deliberately resigned from parliament days before he would have received a lifetime pension.


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Capitalism died the day people thought taxation was a good idea.

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 Really, Tom?

 I don't think big business pay as much tax as they should.

 
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 Adam taxed Eve two apples per year.

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If its laissez faire capitalism. taxation is corruption of the idea -any redistribution of profit is socialism
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 Possibly. But we gotta have dem roads built.

 
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Originally posted by Tom Rolfe Tom Rolfe wrote:

If its laissez faire capitalism. taxation is corruption of the idea -any redistribution of profit is socialism

Has someone hacked your account Tom?

I hate it when that happens.
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