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No idea on the Prince but is currently in foal to I Am Invincible. Also has a Snitzel and a More Than Ready out there somewhere to my knowledge.

Yo Mama's so nasty, I talked to her over the computer and she gave me a virus.

Thx mate

intrepidarts

I would give her a break, she deserves to enjoy motherhood.

intrepidarts wrote:

Yes 5 foals deserves a year or so off...

Just wanted to know if Prince was in work and headed for Guineas...

Thx

Back in work and nommed for the Golden Rose.

http://racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/HorseEngagement.aspx?HorseCode=MjcwNzcyMDc5NzY%3d&src=horsesearch

Anybody now the ownership situation with Black Caviar ?

Her first 3 foals seemed to have been bred by the racing group. - bred by Mr NJR Werrett, Mrs P A Hawkes, Mr & Mrs C H Madden, Mr & Mrs D M Taylor, Mr & Mrs G J Wilkie, NSW

Her 4th foal was bred by Mr Wilkie

Her next two were bred by Werrett.

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Champion sprinter Black Caviar has welcomed a colt by The Autumn Sun.

And in a special moment, the foal was born on Black Caviar's 17th birthday which was on Friday.

The Autumn Sun colt is Black Caviar's seventh foal.

The news was reported by Living Legends, with both mother and foal well.

Persian Caviar - Yet to race

I Am Caviar

Career: 6-2-1-0

Prizemoney: $38,385

Invincible Caviar

Career: 8-4-0-1

Prizemoney: $177,075

Ready For Caviar

Career: 2-0-1-0

Prizemoney: $4,485

Out Of Caviar - Did not race

Prince Of Caviar

Career: 6-1-3-0

Prizemoney: $36,920

Oscietra

Career: 5-2-0-1

Prizemoney: $36,300

It takes a wise man a lifetime to grow a tree and a fool five minutes to kill one.

I'm with you Gay.

FWIW.

I love the mating, but like all her other foals, has come out very weedy looking.

Wondering how her second generation descendants are getting on ?

https://racing.racingnsw.com.au/FreeFields/VideoResult.aspx?MeetDate=2023Mar09&VenueCode=MTYyNjkwNQ==&RaceNumber=1&MeetingCategory=Professional&VideoFileType=FullReplay Keysbourough gelding by Invincible Spirit.

This fella -

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I remember the early one , a little runt of a thing ( Bay filly ) apart from breeding , had nothing going for her , size , strength , constitution , and raced accordingly ( may have won one ) dunno .

Gay3 wrote:

I personally love this The Autumn Sun mating based on its' obvious, well renowned influences [Nijinsky x2; Silly Season x3; Lunchtime x2] & their positioning but would value the input of our far more knowledgeable & experienced members Smile

There's a lot of elegant linebreeding, but I am looking at the recent production from this family and wondering if what the family wants is something very different.

Magnus is by Flying Spur and All Too Hard is by Casino Prince.

Hanseatic's grandsire Street Cry has Mr. Prospector over a mare with Riverman (by Never Bend) up close. Street Boss' dam is by Ogygian, by Damascus.

Ole Kirk is by Written Tycoon, grandson of Last Tycoon. Written Tycoon's grandsire Last Tycoon is out of a Mill Reef (by Never Bend) mare.

Meanwhile, Black Caviar has visited Exceed and Excel and Snitzel for not much, More Than Ready for not much, Sebring for a horse who had some talent but was a roarer, and Vinny (Green Desert line) for a metro winning filly and what looks like he could be a useful enough provincial handicap gelding.

I like the Written Tycoon pairing for Prince of Caviar, and hopefully he runs as well as Ole Kirk. But The Autumn Sun is more of what didn't work--Danehill other than Flying Spur--and none of what has worked so far.

The cross of Flying Spur to this family has three stakes winners, including one champion, a very good runner and good stallion, and a stakes-winning filly who unfortunately died young. Like I said earlier, Prince of Caviar obviously had some ability but it's hard to run when you can't breathe. For commercially-useful horses in the Hunter, Pierata and Home Affairs have Flying Spur as their broodmare sire. Pierata has extra Never Bend and Sir Ivor via Lonhro, and Home Affairs is by I Am Invincible (more Never Bend/Sir Ivor) and is tail-female to and linebred to Fanfreluche.

Other good stallions that appeal, and aren't more-of-the-same, are Street Boss and Anamoe, Jacquinot for Rolls via Encosta + Never Bend & Sir Ivor via Pierro, Harry Angel for the lines to Machiavellian and Ciboulette, Blue Point for Storm Cat and Never Bend via Shamardal, or Palace Pier (if he shuttles again) for Green Desert, Dancing Brave, and Ciboulette.

And of course it sometimes pays to forget influences for a moment and simply look to add some genuine grunt. Something that's been notably absent in her matings thus far.

It is a shame she has passed away, they were just starting to figure out what went well with her. Even Invincible Caviar probably was a stakes sprinter in waiting before her untimely death. Hopefully this Written Tycoon Filly continues to look as good as she did in her first start and can get to stakes level. As you've all discussed, a lot of precedence with Ole Kirk.

SR

furious wrote:

I should say welcome scratchy09. Hope you enjoy success with your horse endeavours.

Thanks Furious, bit of a mug so lets see how I go.

SR