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    Posted: 05 Oct 2023 at 11:06pm
I know there's a thread that is some 194 pages long at the time I write this. I've tried to read some of it and honestly it is the most indescribale amount of detritis I could ever imagine.

At the start of the whole Voice announcement, I didn't know much about the topic and didn't care much. 

Now, I'll be voting yes.

I've done my research. I've read the Uluru statement statement from the heart which piqued my interest to read more. I've read about the historical abuses and genocides, the white australia policy, the stolen generation as well as the continuing child protection policies of today which in many ways is doing the same damage that the stolen generation practices did many years ago. When I went through school, I learnt about Gov Macquarie and the dreamtime and that was about it in the education curriculum. Nothing at all about how badly treated ATSI were and still are treated.

First Nations people, on a national basis, are over representated statistically in regards to youth detention, adult incarceration and suicide. The list goes on for many other attributes as well including education and health. Australia cannot be the pariah of the world and continue to ignore its own indigenous people desire for their rights and need for recognition. The 1901 constitution was a white australia policy in regards to ATSI.

The best way for change is for that group to have a say in its future opportunities and for them to have an inherent ability to invest in tackling the challenges. The Voice is one step in this change, in fact an actual small step in the overall scheme of things, that in 10 , 30, or 50 years will still be trying to correct the current imbalance. 

Don't be scared of the Voice. It's a step in the right direction. There will be much harder decisions to make in the future that are far more complex in nature.

Do your own research, listen to others from both sides of the argument,  read a broad base of data and you will end up with knowing what the right decision is.

You have a chance to make a small step towards change. Don't waste it by not doing your research and instead listening to the wrong people.



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I didn't much care either, so I did my research, and I'll be voting No. (I agree with a lot of what you said, especially about the existing thread!)
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I’ve already voted No , and just about everyone I know intends to as well, even the young ones and our Indigenous friends. Everyone is pretty annoyed by the whole thing actually , they think the government should be concentrating on cost of living and the housing shortage that affects everyone, not this. People aren’t afraid of the Voice , they’re just not willing to put it in the Constitution. Albo should have just legislated it.
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 There is a huge silent vote out there, who haven't been polled.

 
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Why not?
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I thought you did your research.
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I was responding to djebel's post which has been deleted.

Btw I think NObody's (couldn't resist sorry) original post should be moved into the original thread if this thread is basketed, because he/ she obviously put a lot of time and thought into it.
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Well to be fair I don't think too many of Nobody's revelations are a surprise too most. 

And I don't think too many would argue about the "disadvantage" either. That's a given for me. A sad reality

What is in question is how this underhanded approach is actually going to change any of that. 

So no use Nobody researching that - because there is no detail to be researched. 

Hasn't Albo has already told us that a million times Ouch
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Who moved this post to the Laundry Basket and why?
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One of the mods, because they don't value your Voice. I reckon we should establish a permanent Advisory Panel to help them make decisions "relating to" members.

Just having fun, Nobody (and Horlicks). I liked your post and it should have at least been added to the original thread before it was shafted. It certainly was more thoughtful and eloquent than anything MC Stammer and co have contributed, and you didn't call anyone racist.
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Originally posted by Nobody Nobody wrote:

Who moved this post to the Laundry Basket and why?
Don't get too upset over it Nobody

A few other regulars on TBV have been known to get a few of their threads upgraded into here. 

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Some real quality as well

Check-out the Eric The Eel thread. 

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Did you like my idea of a permanent advisory panel for the mods, one one? It would surely make life easier for all.
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Those girls could be plenty of people here. LOL
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Mate, sorry, but to me that ad is bad on so many levels I wouldn't know where to start. For one thing, as if those 2 girls would even contemplate saying no. For another, the ad makes a joke about how it's wrong to be patronizing to indigenous people, but the ad itself IS patronizing to indigenous people.
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It's patronizing to the Australian public too. We're not all vacuous bimbos in an inner city bar who don't use google for anything other than reality TV gossip.
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Geez, just watched it again. That is PAINFUL!
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It’s actually very disrespectful to the Laundry Basket.

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Wose than painful.  Cringeworthy. Just like Ray Martin last night was painful.

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The target audience is 18-35yos on TikTok.
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Thanks for explaining, PT. Pretty sure we'd figured that out.
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Cant be sure with AA. Popular culture is not her strong suit.
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Sometimes it's important for PT to speak for the 18-35 y/o Tockers.
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Not surprise it lacked any substance. 
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Originally posted by stayer stayer wrote:

Did you like my idea of a permanent advisory panel for the mods, one one? It would surely make life easier for all.

  There is already one.. You just aren't on it.  

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Originally posted by Nobody Nobody wrote:







 Intimating that young women are idiots. Angry

 NOT ALL YOUNG WOMEN ARE LIKE THAT.

 I hate generalisations...

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Originally posted by jujuno jujuno wrote:

Originally posted by stayer stayer wrote:

Did you like my idea of a permanent advisory panel for the mods, one one? It would surely make life easier for all.


  There is already one.. You just aren't on it.  

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Lol no kidding!
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 I'm presently doing laundry. Does this thread need a wash yet?

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Full marks to Nobody

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