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THE CHOSEN ONE (NZ)Bay colt 2015 
Savabeel
Brown 2001		Zabeel
Bay 1986		Sir Tristram
Bay 1971		Sir Ivor
Bay 1965		Sir Gaylord
Attica		1959
1953		2-s
8-g
Isolt
Bay 1961		Round Table
All My Eye		1954
1954		2-f
6-e
Lady Giselle
Bay 1982		Nureyev
Bay 1977		Northern Dancer
Special		1961
1969		2-d
5-h
Valderna
Bay 1972		Val de Loir
Derna		1959
1961		5-h
16-c
Savannah Success
Brown 1995		Success Express
Bay 1985		Hold Your Peace
Bay 1969		Speak John
Blue Moon		1958
1948		1-l
12-b
Au Printemps
Bay 1979		Dancing Champ
Lorgnette		1972
1964		4-r
17-b
Alma Mater
Brown 1988		Semipalatinsk
Bay 1978		Nodouble
School Board		1965
1968		A1
23-b
Sweetie
Brown 1981		Without Fear
Virginia		1967
1972		4-c
1-o
The Glitzy One
Bay 2007		Flying Spur
Bay 1992		Danehill
Bay 1986		Danzig
Bay 1977		Northern Dancer
Pas de Nom		1961
1968		2-d
7-a
Razyana
Bay 1981		His Majesty
Spring Adieu		1968
1974		4-d
2-d
Rolls
Chestnut 1984		Mr Prospector
Bay 1970		Raise a Native
Gold Digger		1961
1962		8-f
13-c
Grand Luxe
Chestnut 1974		Sir Ivor
Fanfreluche		1965
1967		8-g
4-g
The Jewel
Bay 1999		O'Reilly
Brown 1993		Last Tycoon
Bay or brown 1983		Try My Best
Mill Princess		1975
1977		8-f
8-c
Courtza
Bay 1986		Pompeii Court
Hunza		1977
1970		1-p
13-b
The Grin
Brown 1992		Grosvenor
Bay 1979		Sir Tristram
My Tricia		1971
1974		6-e
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The Dimple
Bay 1977		Noble Bijou
The Pixie		1971
1968		1-s
2-b
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Great family, he looks to be another top one. 
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Now I am a breeding novice djebel, and even I know all about this tough, quality producing New Zealand family.

I think he could be a nice one for the group 3 or 2 races in the spring!
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It’s a remarkably successful family that the Dennis family have sustained for many generations.

My favourite as a teenager was THE PHANTOM. Plenty of WFA wins & Caulfield/Melb Cup placings. His win the the 93 Mackinnon Stks coming back from injury as an 8yo was awesome.

And like THE CHOSEN ONE, he was trained by Murray Baker!
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Originally posted by Lord Hybrow Lord Hybrow wrote:

It’s a remarkably successful family that the Dennis family have sustained for many generations.

My favourite as a teenager was THE PHANTOM. Plenty of WFA wins & Caulfield/Melb Cup placings. His win the the 93 Mackinnon Stks coming back from injury as an 8yo was awesome.

And like THE CHOSEN ONE, he was trained by Murray Baker!
 
Murray Baker early on, I think it was Noel Eales training him by the time he won the Mackinnon.
 
The Phantom actually won NZ Horse of The Year in the season his younger brother won a Cox Plate.
 
The Phantom Chance had 11 wins from 1400m-2400, The Phantom was probably the better stayer yet won from 1200-2000m, somehow never winning past 2000m despite placing in both Cups and an SA Derby.
 
Go back a generation and their dam was part of a similar sibling rivalry, but three ways.
 
Their dam The Fantasy won 18 races from 1200-2200.  Her full sister The Twinkle won 15 races from 1200-2000m, and half sister The Dimple (3/4 to The Phantom) won 16 times from 1200m-2200m. 
They also used to take turns beating each other. In the 1980 G3 Timaru Cup, The Twinkle beat The Fantasy, a year later The Twinkle was away in Auckland running 2nd in an Auckland Cup, so The Dimple won the race, and in 1982 The Dimple won again beating The Twinkle.
 
The Twinkle was the best of them in terms of ability, but least successful breeder.
 
The Fantasy hit breeding success with The Phantoms, but with both of them geldings and her fillies mostly poor producers, her line seems to have basically gone.
 
The Dimple was the most successful breeder long term, producing 9 winners including a G1 winner in Irish Chance, and has been the granddam/great granddam of numerous black type performers, most obviously The Jewel.
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Originally posted by Lord Hybrow Lord Hybrow wrote:

It’s a remarkably successful family that the Dennis family have sustained for many generations.

My favourite as a teenager was THE PHANTOM. Plenty of WFA wins & Caulfield/Melb Cup placings. His win the the 93 Mackinnon Stks coming back from injury as an 8yo was awesome.

And like THE CHOSEN ONE, he was trained by Murray Baker!


One of the best races I have seen Lord involved the Phantom brothers.

1992 Caulfield Stakes when Naturalism had to take the run between the two brothers. Great memories, although I had The Phantom Chance, the crowd erupted when Oliver took the gap!
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Originally posted by VOYAGER VOYAGER wrote:



One of the best races I have seen Lord involved the Phantom brothers.

1992 Caulfield Stakes when Naturalism had to take the run between the two brothers. Great memories, although I had The Phantom Chance, the crowd erupted when Oliver took the gap!
 
The Phantom had an amazing spring/summer that season given he hadn't started between Feb 1991 and September 93.  Unfortunately he disliked wet ground so the track in the Cup stuffed him.
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Great to see The Chosen One give “The” family a contender for the Spring Cups again 👏.

Can hardly it’s been 30 years since Murray Baker had The Phantom run 3rd in the 1989 Caulfield Cup & 4th in the Melb Cup. He was then 2nd in 1990 & 8th in 1993.

Other relations like The Phantom Chance & The Bandette also had unsuccessful cracks at the Cups a few years later.

Can TCO go one better in 2019?

He’ll find it tough against the international raiders but it would nice to see. He’s a product of decades long breeding program by the owners, the Dennis family.

Much prefer owner/breeders like them win the Cups than owners who purchased their horse a few months (or weeks) before the race.
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From 2014 onwards, a Herbert Power runner has won or placed in Caulfirld Cup or Melbourne Cup. Only time this didn't happen was 2016.

2014: Protectionist ran 4th & won Melbourne Cup,

2016: Prince Of Penzance ran 8th & won Melbourne Cup.

2017: Boom Time ran 4th & won Caulfield Cup.

2018: Prince Of Arran ran 3rd & ran 3rd in Melbourne Cup.
Australian racing is only good up to 1400m in terms of world standards when it comes to depth/quality in numbers
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**2015: Prince Of Penzance ran 8th & won Melbourne Cup
Australian racing is only good up to 1400m in terms of world standards when it comes to depth/quality in numbers
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And so would I LH, the perfect example imo of a handicapper slightly short of WFA class, perfect drop in grade which suited.
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Just watched a replay of the G1 mile race from NZ yesterday.

This guy was finishing very nicely for 3rd place. Definately one to follow.

Not sure what Murray Baker hasn’t planned for him but a trip to Sydney for those autumn handicaps would seem perfect for him - eg Manion Cup or Chairman’s Hcp.

Then the revamped Qld Winter carnival, which always used to be a happy hunting ground for Kiwi stayers.
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Baker said safely through today's race, The Chosen One would head to Sydney with the Listed Randwick City Stakes (2000m) a possible first-up assignment on March 7.

After that, the group three Manion Cup (2400m) at Rosehill on March 21 and the group two Chairman's Handicap (2600m) at Randwick on April 4 are further possible lead-up races to the group one Sydney Cup (3200m) at Randwick on April 11.

"If he was going well enough, we could look at the Tancred Stakes [group one, 2400m] as an alternative on the way through."
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Randwick City Stakes has been decimated by scratchings, leaving Shared Ambition & The Chosen One at the top of the market.

Not sure how much potential SA has, but on Spring form you’d have to lean to TCO.

TCO beat Prince of Arran & wasnt far away in the Cups, whilst SA hasn’t proven himself outside Benchmark class.
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Great return from TCO today!

A lot of these Kiwi stayers peak as 5 or 6 year olds, so he may have a fruitful Spring ahead.  He might be a notch off the top stayers come the Caulfield & Melb Cups but there is definately another nice black type staying race for him.
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Another race from yesterday, the Danehill Stakes, was once won by a member of this family.
The One (O'Reilley - The Grin) who went to HK and raced as Never Look Back.
He was a full brother to The Chosen One's grand dam.
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12x1x1311x9AKTAU (GB)G5Michael Moroney151kg8
222151x1121MAGICAL (IRE)M6Aidan O'Brien258kg.5
331114x4335JAPAN (GB)H5Aidan O'Brien358.5kg.5
420330x25x1ANTHONY VAN DYCK (IRE)H5Aidan O'Brien458.5kg.5
53x2301x326SOVEREIGN (IRE)H5Aidan O'Brien557kg2
6x421x395x9VOW AND DECLAREG5Danny O'Brien657kg2
747x54533x4AVILIUS (GB)G7James Cummings757kg2
801229x1458MAGIC WAND (IRE)M6Aidan O'Brien855kg2.5
910x42212x1VERRY ELLEEGANT (NZ)M5Chris Waller955kg2.5
1012x411x2RUSSIAN CAMELOT (IRE)H4Danny O'Brien1053.5kg3
1143354x6221MASTER OF REALITY (IRE)G6Joseph O'Brien1156kg3
1221107x3141TELECASTER (GB)H5Hughie Morrison1256kg3
13221x1134SANTIAGO (IRE)H4Aidan O'Brien1353.5kg3
14x44x2x222xSIR DRAGONET (IRE)H5Ciaron Maher & David Eustace1455.5kg3.5
15x70x7x2113TWILIGHT PAYMENT (IRE)G8Joseph O'Brien1555.5kg3.5
168221111x0COLETTEM4James Cummings1652kg4
1730x03643x7MIRAGE DANCER (GB)H7Trent Busuttin & Natalie Young1755kg4
186x423115x0QUICK THINKERH4Murray Baker & Andrew Forsman1853.5kg4
19160x1225x0MUSTAJEER (GB)G8Kris Lees1955kg4
206x32050x30KINGS WILL DREAM (IRE)G7Chris Waller2055kg4
2152112x2165BUCKHURST (IRE)H5Joseph O'Brien2155kg4
2211x1510PORT GUILLAUME (FR)H4Jean-Claude Rouget2252.5kg4
2312104xPx72STRATUM (GB)G8William Mullins2355kg4
2411232x4413ARMORY (IRE)H4Aidan O'Brien2452kg4.5
252114x46131MOGUL (GB)H4Aidan O'Brien2552kg4.5
261x755633x7WARNINGG4Anthony & Sam Freedman2653kg4.5
27120x3x36x3PRINCE OF ARRAN (GB)G8Charlie Fellowes2754.5kg4.5
2811x2142x62FUNSTARM4Chris Waller2851.5kg4.5
296x19x17x78YOUNG RASCAL (FR)G6Archie Alexander2954.5kg4.5
304132x415x2SURPRISE BABY (NZ)G6Paul Preusker3054.5kg4.5
3134x51257x3FINCHE (GB)G7Chris Waller3154.5kg4.5
321x1211111xNANCHO (GER)G6Anthony Cummings3254.5kg4.5
33314579x114DASHING WILLOUGHBY (GB)G5Andrew Balding3354.5kg4.5
343002x902x2MR QUICKIEG5Phillip Stokes3454kg5
353411x84x40MIAMI BOUND (NZ)M4Danny O'Brien3551kg5
36555112x235DALASANH4Leon Macdonald & Andrew Gluyas3652.5kg5
372x21x11137PATRICK SARSFIELD (FR)H5Joseph O'Brien3754kg5
388822x1180xMISS SISKAM7Matthew Smith3852.5kg5
39746416341xETAH JAMES (NZ)M8Ciaron Maher & David Eustace3952.5kg5
40x622221x58TOFFEE TONGUE (NZ)M4Chris Waller4051kg5
41108x4x1147RED VERDON (USA)G8Ed Dunlop4154kg5
42x100x80x00CAPE OF GOOD HOPE (IRE)H5Tom Dabernig & Ben Hayes4254kg5
43311x114x04MASTER OF WINE (GER)G6Michael, Wayne & John Hawkes4353.5kg5.5
4422240x90x0CONSTANTINOPLE (IRE)G5Tom Dabernig & Ben Hayes4453.5kg5.5
4526x1122x80ZEBROWSKI (NZ)G4Michael, Wayne & John Hawkes4552kg5.5
46x217x6x460TRUE SELF (IRE)M8William Mullins4652kg5.5
4750x38572x1THE CHOSEN ONE (NZ)H5Murray Baker & Andrew Forsman4753.5kg5.5
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it's a shame he needs to win on Saturday, it virtually puts a line through his winning chances the following week.

It's a strange and unfortunate situation, 

he needs to win to get in.

He needs to get in to win.

A hard race on Saturday will make him too dour for next week.

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In hindsight, and it should have been clear at the start of this campaign. He should have gone first up into the Naturalism and 2nd up into the Caulfield Cup.


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I assume he has finished his spring, and it has turned out be quite a successful one.

He was brilliant first up and then put in two lacklustre races before wonderful efforts in the Caulfield and Melbourne Cup.

Stewards really should query those two lacklustre efforts.
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No skulduggery in TCOs performances djebel.

I think hes just one of those hard to catch horses who mixes his form.

Very profitable spring. Super effort by the Kiwi today for 4th Clap
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I agree Djebel and Lord Hybrow. He does mix his form but he is a tough honest stayer.  You'd think Tancred and Sydney Cup are possible targets in 2021 during the autumn 
Australian racing is only good up to 1400m in terms of world standards when it comes to depth/quality in numbers
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The Chosen One (NZ)
Bay 2015		Savabeel
Brown 2001		Zabeel
Bay 1986		Sir Tristram
Bay 1971		Sir Ivor
Isolt		1965
1961		8-g
6-e
Lady Giselle
Bay 1982		Nureyev
Valderna		1977
1972		5-h
16-c
Savannah Success
Brown 1995		Success Express
Bay 1985		Hold Your Peace
Au Printemps		1969
1979		12-b
17-b
Alma Mater
Brown 1988		Semipalatinsk
Sweetie		1978
1981		23-b
1-o
The Glitzy One
Bay 2007		Flying Spur
Bay 1992		Danehill
Bay 1986		Danzig
Razyana		1977
1981		7-a
2-d
Rolls
Chestnut 1984		Mr Prospector
Grand Luxe		1970
1974		13-c
4-g
The Jewel
Bay 1999		O'Reilly
Brown 1993		Last Tycoon
Courtza		1983
1986		8-c
13-b
The Grin
Brown 1992		Grosvenor
The Dimple		1979
1977		8>
2-b
Melody Belle (NZ)
Bay 2014		Commands
Bay 1996		Danehill
Bay 1986		Danzig
Bay 1977		Northern Dancer
Pas de Nom		1961
1968		2-d
7-a
Razyana
Bay 1981		His Majesty
Spring Adieu		1968
1974		4-d
2-d
Cotehele House
Brown or black 1980		My Swanee
Grey 1963		Petition
Grey Rhythm		1944
1954		16-g
8-j
Eight Carat
Brown 1975		Pieces of Eight
Klairessa		1963
1969		3-o
9-c
Meleka Belle
Bay 2009		Iffraaj
Bay 2001		Zafonic
Bay 1990		Gone West
Zaizafon		1984
1982		2-f
9-e
Pastorale
Chestnut 1988		Nureyev
Park Appeal		1977
1982		5-h
14-c
Empress Belle
Grey 1987		Sir Tristram
Bay 1971		Sir Ivor
Isolt		1965
1961		8-g
6-e
Imperial Belle
Grey 1976		Sovereign Edition
Honey Belle		1962
1965		13-a
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Great return today!

If he can somehow get 57 kilos (hopefully there are good noms), he should go close in the Sydney Cup. 
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As usual TCO put in an excellent 1st up run for 3rd in the Feehan.

Theyve taken the Underwood & Herbert Power path to the Caulfield Cup in both 2019 & 2020.  Will be interesting to see if they go the same way again in 2021.
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Underwood is now at Sandown, will appreciate that track you would think.
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Well beaten in the Cup today, but still giving his all in the straight to jag 5th place (to go with his 4th last year).

Good old fashioned staying handicapper.  Winless from 5 cracks at 3200m but always in the mix.

Well done TCO, good effort Clap
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1st up wins the Thornton Mile G1 
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What a warrior this guy is. Was challenged by a couple at the 300 then said see yaaaa.
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