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    Posted: 29 Dec 2019 at 9:07pm
How do we all feel about Sydney going ahead with the New Years Eve fireworks ????
I think its disgusting when half the state is burning .
Then they tell us its costing 6 million $$.
Could they not find a better use for that money ?    Farmers in drought.  People in fire zones.  Animals burnt to a crisp. Fire fighters out of pocket. 
But no.  Its all about Sydney,,,,,,,,light up the world and burn up 6 million,,,,,
Such a disgusting waste of money at a time when so many cant celebrate because their whole world is on fire. 


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The thing with fireworks is if you’ve seen one lot you’ve seen them all. There is nothing particularly different about these lot so in that respect you could easily argue “what’s the point”. But it’s New Year’s Eve and it helps people get excited and celebrate so I can see why people like to see them. The money it costs is an argument you could make every year. There is no real reason to spend so much money on something that will be over on 20 minutes. The government should be doing more for the current problems you list anyway. They should be spending the money to help. Don’t necessarily think the money should be taken from a New Years celebration.
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I am biased for starters,  as I HATE fireworks and always have.  Every year I have a whinge about wasted money.   Money going up in smoke.
But it seems so bad when half the state is on fire to be doing this.
Many rural areas will have no celebration at all.  Some cant afford it, and others cancel because of the fire risk.
So it just seem obscene for Sydney to be full on doing this.

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I don't enjoy fireworks, find them quite boring. But is people do like them hey what is wrong with that ?
Only a sour, joyless soul would would resent peoples' harmless fun 
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Originally posted by Whale Whale wrote:

...........Only a sour, joyless soul would would resent peoples' harmless fun 

Well count me in as a sour, joyless soul then. I think having fireworks in Sydney this NYE is obscene when half the State is still impacted by fires.
I understand that it is a huge tourism money spinner, but run a laser show instead, which would have to be far cheaper and also less disrespectful to all those impacted currently by fires.
Oh, and I'm not the only sour, joyless soul either Whale - another quarter million or so have signed the same petition I have signed. 

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Misguided "sensitivity" They may be called fireworks , doesn't mean they are meant to set Sydney on fire. Do you stop having a shower when there is a flood somewhere ? 

Easy to sign a dumb petition, I wonder how many of those good hearted folk gave to an appeal
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ErmmI think you have seriously missed the point Whale. And I for one have donated to several appeals, particularly the one for the families of the two young fireys who died. Have you?
There are so many No-No's - from the extravagant waste of money, to the pollution, to the Total Fire Ban weather likely, to the complete insensitivity of such an occasion. But I know not everyone has the nous (or empathy) to 'get it' so don't feel badly if you dont understand.


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I have plenty of empathy for the victims and real injustice ,not this manufactured outrage.
And now that you mention it extravagant waste of money, , I guess that would apply every year in . So it is not about the fires at all, or is 2019 a particularly fiscally demanding year Confused
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Must be, as apparently its a year in which the Government is having trouble funding the fire crisis. ....and yet there is a lazy $6 million to pollute the atmosphere with.

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That has nothing to do with it, a few million for fireworks makes no difference to the money he gives for relief. Scomo is simply a typical conservative, only cares about the rich.

And who actually pays for fireworks the state or federal government
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In your mind it has nothing to do with it....in the minds of many others it has everything to do with it. People are entitled to an alternate opinion to you., and to the right to express it via various means including Petitions.
I have an alternate opinion to you...its no less valid an opinion than yours and I have the same right to express it that you have. I'm not belittling your opinion though..... but if it makes you feel better go on invalidating every opinion other than your own. I still think the NYE fireworks are obscene, as do many others.
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Originally posted by Whale Whale wrote:

I have plenty of empathy for the victims and real injustice ,not this manufactured outrage.
And now that you mention it extravagant waste of money, , I guess that would apply every year in . So it is not about the fires at all, or is 2019 a particularly fiscally demanding year Confused

Spoiler Alert Whale!!! 

You may find these comments upsetting and they may trigger you, so find a safe space before proceeding!

Well stated Whale ... I agree 100%.Clap

The value of this annual event - not even given the obvious fact that it is a net cash flow positive exercise for Sydney, bringing in tens of millions in tourism dollars for a trifling cost - is incalculable in its social value. It gives people something to celebrate, a constant in the calendar to take their minds off their problems, relax and have a beer.Big smilePartyBeerHandshake

If it were left to the snowflakes, they would come up with a reason for calling off EVERYTHING ... even the PM's Family Holiday!Wacko  



PS: The cost is roughly equivalent to Sarah Hansen-Young's travel expenses for 6 years in the Senate ... she spends almost $1 million per year ... I know which one is a waste of money and is more offensive to people in the bush fighting fires ...Dead
In reference to every post in the Trump thread ... "There may have been a tiny bit of license taken there" ... Ok, Thanks for the "heads up" PT!
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Or a week of butler serviced holiday on a private island in Fiji for Morrison in May Doc?

Cost is not the issue, it is a personal moral issue.

I was over fireworks years ago, dont bother watching any of them anytime. I dont see the connection between fires and fireworks though, as long as there is no fire risk. Also they are a net positive economically with what they generate for Sydney as an event. 

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Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

Or a week of butler serviced holiday on a private island in Fiji for Morrison in May Doc?

Cost is not the issue, it is a personal moral issue.

I was over fireworks years ago, dont bother watching any of them anytime. I dont see the connection between fires and fireworks though, as long as there is no fire risk. Also they are a net positive economically with what they generate for Sydney as an event. 



You don't see the connection between fires and fireworks!Shocked They've both have the word fire in them. It's so obvious. Cancel cancel cancel - I'm outraged and offended by fireworks.Angry

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How many fires has the Sydney New Years fireworks started since it was started in 1976?
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They cancelled the fireworks at our local annual show in November because large fires were less than 10km away and they couldn't manage the risk I think these fireworks are different and could be used as an awareness raiser as well as a lot of funds. There will be collection buckets going through crowds at every vantage point and the NSW if it is smart will make a considerable donation from the huge amount of money the event will generate.

No risk, no problem.
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Those pretty colours in fireworks are made from metal : lead, copper, aluminium, titanium etc. The smoke contains minute particles.You would not want to breath that, would you?
Ban them, not only at this time of the year, but all year.
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Originally posted by Whale Whale wrote:

That has nothing to do with it, a few million for fireworks makes no difference to the money he gives for relief. Scomo is simply a typical conservative, only cares about the rich.

And who actually pays for fireworks the state or federal government

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I think the whole thing is put on by the Sydney City Council run by a committee appointed by them. They do their own fundraising.

The only NSW or Federal Govt influence on it is the calling of a state of emergency by either govt. which would cancel it.
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ErmmI think you have seriously missed the point Whale. And I for one have donated to several appeals, particularly the one for the families of the two young fireys who died. Have you?
There are so many No-No's - from the extravagant waste of money, to the pollution, to the Total Fire Ban weather likely, to the complete insensitivity of such an occasion. But I know not everyone has the nous (or empathy) to 'get it' so don't feel badly if you dont understand.


Yes, my point too.  Its rude, and shows no empathy at all.  Sending money up in smoke , when so many other caring people are putting their hand in the pocket to try and help the human and animal victims. 
As VSP says, its just plain insensitive.  Not to mention waste of money, and pollution. 
Have you donated Whale ?  Or are you too sour , and just enjoy potting others ?
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Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

I think the whole thing is put on by the Sydney City Council run by a committee appointed by them. They do their own fundraising.

The only NSW or Federal Govt influence on it is the calling of a state of emergency by either govt. which would cancel it.


You mean Clover and her hangers-on ?  Her of dog collars,  the giant milk crate and rainbow covered crossings ? Wacko I dont have much respect for her or her ideas, but  she would be one in charge of appointing any committee would she ? 
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She wasn't Lord Mayor when the committee was created in 1976.
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Originally posted by acacia alba acacia alba wrote:

Originally posted by VSP. VSP. wrote:

ErmmI think you have seriously missed the point Whale. And I for one have donated to several appeals, particularly the one for the families of the two young fireys who died. Have you?
There are so many No-No's - from the extravagant waste of money, to the pollution, to the Total Fire Ban weather likely, to the complete insensitivity of such an occasion. But I know not everyone has the nous (or empathy) to 'get it' so don't feel badly if you dont understand.


Yes, my point too.  Its rude, and shows no empathy at all.  Sending money up in smoke , when so many other caring people are putting their hand in the pocket to try and help the human and animal victims. 
As VSP says, its just plain insensitive.  Not to mention waste of money, and pollution. 
Have you donated Whale ?  Or are you too sour , and just enjoy potting others ?

amazing, you are hard as nails on many issues but this misguided cause takes your fancy. And you obviously have no idea about how the economy works Confused

Sydney's record-breaking $5.8 million fireworks display welcomes 2019


The $5.8 million New Year's Eve show is worth an estimated $133 million to the local economy and is seen by an estimated one billion audience across the globe, organisers say.
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Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

She wasn't Lord Mayor when the committee was created in 1976.


Good grief, are you telling me its the same people on the committee since 1976 ?   No wonder their ideas are old and crazy then ?
No new ones at all appointed by her , or anyone else  ?  No new ones since 1976 ?  They must all be old as Macca now ?
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Have heard a few anti fireworks women on talk back radio. Many of them are angry, screeching, abusive and totally IGNORANT.  Just heard an old bag called Judy ranting and raving, was that you AA ?
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Murdoch's reptiles must be conflicted. They've got a permanent hard-on for Clover but the Sydney fireworks are a big winner for business.
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Wouldn't be our AA Whale she is totally fair and balanced and 100% non political.

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Originally posted by Whale Whale wrote:

Have heard a few anti fireworks women on talk back radio. Many of them are angry, screeching, abusive and totally IGNORANT.  Just heard an old bag called Judy ranting and raving, was that you AA ?


No Whale, I dont do talk back radio, but thanks anyway for your high opinion of me.  Obviously you fit right in tho, being a regular radio listener ? 
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Wouldn't be our AA Whale she is totally fair and balanced and 100% non political.

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