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    Posted: 28 Oct 2018 at 11:28am
Are these just a tech wonder to fill some entrepreneurs pocket? the renewable and telco markets are saturated so head in a nother direction? is it laziness, or smart thinking?Wacko


Driverless cars promise a future without fatal crashes, if Victoria's roads are ready

By Iskhandar RazakAutomated vehicles could be the biggest thing to happen to transport since the car itself."

It may sound like a bold claim by Infrastructure Victoria's Allison Stewart, but the planning is already underway.

Australia's transport ministers have set a national goal of having regulation in place by 2020 to support the commercial introduction of autonomous vehicles.

For cities like Melbourne, which is projected to grow to 8 million people by 2050, the benefit of autonomous vehicles on already congested roads is obvious.

For example, the heavy truck traffic upsetting some residents in Melbourne's west could be shifted to take place overnight, when the freeways are clear.

Bosch is developing driverless technology in Melbourne, and predicts driverless fleets will be used in some of the world's major cities by 2020.

Bosch Australia president, Gavin Smith, said congestion would vanish because fatal accidents would disappear.

"More than 90 per cent of road accidents are caused by human error," he said.

"Also, 30 per cent of a city is given over to parking. So if vehicles are spending less time on the road looking for a place to park, city life will be different."

The RACV and Infrastructure Victoria predict driverless cars will be slowly integrated in Melbourne's north, where roads are simpler and more suited to the technology at the moment.

Roos, trams pose challenge to driverless technology

Mr Smith said adapting the technology to Australian conditions poses some new challenges — including the need to share the road with Melbourne's trams.

"Hook-turns are unique to Melbourne," he said.

"Kangaroos behave in a way that is different to other animals. Cassowaries, similar."

He believes technicians can solve these issues, but that governments have a role in getting the road network ready for automated vehicles.

Yellow lines on the road, for example, are not being read by some autonomous cars, and irregular or faded road signs can be misinterpreted.

"Anything that allows those sensors to see more clearly helps. So bright white lines, traffic signals that are at the right intensity, at the right height, always the same position, will help."

Infrastructure Victoria has also delivered a report to the Government saying "good quality" roads are required for driverless vehicles to operate effectively.

How much that will cost is unclear, but the RACV's Dave Jones said there was already a huge road and transport backlog in the state.

"Unfortunately we've estimated that there is a $13 billion backlog of road and public transport projects in the middle and outer suburban parts of Melbourne," he said.

"[That's] not including the major projects in the centre of the city or the massive needs in regional Victoria."

Road laws overhaul needed

The National Transport Commission has identified more than 716 provisions in transport-related laws and regulations which could act as barriers to automated vehicles.

A report by law firm Herbert Smith Freehills warned that governments needed to get the changes right, in order "to ensure there is no repeat of having to retro-fit legislation to keep up with technology, as was the case when Uber disrupted the taxi sector".

"It involves an overhaul of our road laws introduced in the 1950s and 60s which could not have imagined connected and autonomous vehicles," the report said.

"They include requirements for a car to have a steering wheel, a rear view mirror and a driver.

"The new regulations are expected to be consistent nationally, applicable regardless of the level of automation, and will make way for the integration of international standards as they are developed."

Automated cars also require a planning rethink. Charging stations may need to be set up at more public spaces, offices and homes.

Infrastructure Victoria's Allison Stewart said that could greatly affect the state's power grid.

"We modelled a scenario where we had 100 per cent electronic vehicles in the state in 2046 and found that could require an additional 50 per cent more energy than is already planned for in that timeframe," Dr Stewart said.

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Empty cars could clog roads

On the other hand, there is some doubt as to whether a fleet of driverless cars will do anything to clear congestion, especially if they become as easy to use as promised.

The director of the Public Transport Research Group, Graham Currie, said the number of cars could increase by one-third.

"We can have them running around with nobody in them," Professor Currie said.

"There is a danger they will increase travel. Children can travel. Older people. Do we need a third more cars on the road? Cars without anyone in them?"

VicRoads is also worried driverless cars making empty journeys could double or triple the amount of traffic on the roads.

It's a concern shared by the City of Melbourne, which released a discussion paper earlier this yearwarning that without proper management, driverless cars could make CBD congestion worse.

"Imagine individuals going to work and another child going to school, or to swimming or to gymnastics. That is a reality we want to avoid," said VicRoads's Sameem Moslih.

Despite the issues and concerns, the technology is coming.

The question is — will what we build today, be ready for the cars and trucks of the future?

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Sleep pods, dog deliveries and sex behind the wheel: how we'll use driverless cars

By Jonathan Roberts, QUT

Posted 6 Mar 2017, 1:21pm

If you happen to live in Pittsburgh in the US or Milton Keynes in the UK, then you may occasionally see one of the driverless, or self-driving, cars that are currently being tested around the world.

With most major car makers developing the technology, plus new entrants into the car world such as Google, Uber and Apple, it is evident that driverless cars will eventually become real and mainstream.

The media is awash with discussion of how driverless cars workthe ethical dilemmas in their use and how will they impact the workforce of professional drivers.

A recent article listed 25 shocking predictions about a future with driverless cars.

But few people are talking about revolutionary and maybe unexpected ways people will use driverless cars once they are autonomous and common place.

Some of these interesting uses will not be for everyone, and many will be highly controversial, but when something as pervasive in our society as the car undergoes a revolution, we can expect a whole lot of other big changes.

Driverless really means no driver

The driverless cars of the future really will have no driver. And more importantly, no potential driver.

At this stage, the various authorities that grant permits to test driverless cars have required they all have a back-up driver who, in theory, can take over in an emergency.

This is for good reason: driverless cars have not yet been demonstrated to be reliable or safe enough.

But the idea of a reliable human back-up driver is problematic.

Research shows that the ability for someone to process the immediate situation, take control of a vehicle and avoid an impending accident is limited at best.

So we should assume future driverless cars will not require a human back-up driver, once authorities are shown that having such a person is less safe than having no-one at the wheel.

With the assumption of truly autonomous cars, what will people want to do with them?

Delivery (of everything and everyone)

A first use for a truly driverless car will revolve around the delivery of goods, people and animals. If you know there will be another person at the destination to unload the car, then the options are almost limitless and potentially scary.

Imagine an off-leash dog park with a human attendant to handle the dogs.

The lazy or busy future dog owner could load their dog into a driverless car at home and send it off to the dog park. No more the dog owner walking the dog.

What about incapacitated people?

Had a few too many drinks while you are out on the town? Hop into a truly driverless car and be taken home.

Sick of being a taxi-driver parent, and don't like the idea of popping your little ones into a ride-sharing car?

If a driverless car can transport dogs and drunks then transporting children will be easy.

But should children be allowed to be transported unaccompanied by an adult or a responsible person? How would restrictions on the transport of children in driverless cars be policed?

If the car cannot be interfered with by its occupants, then the question only revolves around the care of children and not the safety of road users.

Have a morning meeting in a town eight hours drive away? Why not book a sleep-pod driverless car to drive you overnight to your destination.

Such cars could be equipped with comfortable beds and even a small airline style toilet.

The privacy of your own pod

Some industry experts have already raised concerns that the introduction of self-driving cars could see a car's backup driver engaging in dangerous sex.

But could it be that the future of paid-for-sex or casual sex will be enabled by autonomous driverless cars?

It does not take much imagination to consider that a business could be created that utilises apps, driverless cars and the desire to make lots of money.

Maybe it will be that dating-like apps will exist that get people together in discrete driverless cars.

Driverless cars will not need any windows and will be able to drive around the streets without anyone outside having any idea what might be going on inside.

What will this mean for our relationships? Sex outside traditional relationships will be uber easy, as it were. For some, this is great news. For others it will be confronting.

Will governments try and legislate against it? Will religious groups start campaigns to try to ban it?

Will it create a new class of paid sex worker who just does a few jobs a week to earn some extra money? Will the future driverless car companies offer this service on top of their standard transport options?

The sex industry has always been regulated with the use of location as a weapon against it. You can't have a brothel here, you can't pick up here, and so on.

But driverless cars are just around the corner and they have the potential to change this business totally.

The sex industry has also traditionally been a fast adopter of new internet-based technology and the industry is experiencing great change because of it.

In the end, the advent of truly autonomous driverless cars will change society in ways that are hard to predict.

But one thing is for sure, they will have a serious impact on the way most of us live, whether we like it or not.

Jonathan Roberts is Professor in Robotics at Queensland University of Technology (QUT). His main research interest is in field robotics and making machines operate autonomously in unstructured environments.

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They would be great on a 55km sea bridge Isaac, you could just take a nap for an hour and not worry about dropping over the edge. 
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And you have first hand experience?

is chinas industrial revolution coming to an end?
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Bear with me Isaac, it may take me a while to make the connection between driverless cars and falling asleep and the end of the Chinese industrial revolution.
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Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

Bear with me Isaac, it may take me a while to make the connection between driverless cars and falling asleep and the end of the Chinese industrial revolution.


   When I was a real Pizz Pot PT.     I had driver less cars for decades.

They didn't even stop for the Police cars.   Taught me plenty.

Mainly that they serve very nice meals at Silverwater.
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Saw plenty of these operating UBER & LYFT in Vegas in August. All had someone else in them with it hooked up to a computer no doubt sucking in data. Apparently the hotels on the strip don’t allow them in driverless mode so they require a human driver for the pick up and drop off portion of a trip anyway.
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Must be an eye opener to see them actually operating.
I must admit i was a sceptic , until recent times.

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They will be obsolete in ten years when the personal aircraft are in operation.

Now where is my runway   
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Originally posted by VOYAGER VOYAGER wrote:

They will be obsolete in ten years when the personal aircraft are in operation.

Now where is my runway   



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Originally posted by maccamax maccamax wrote:

Must be an eye opener to see them actually operating.
I must admit i was a sceptic , until recent times.

    What is that story about History .     Each lifetime ( 60 years ) has achieved more than all previous lifetimes combined.




I didn’t ride in one, just saw them operating. And Yes was quite weird to see. No one in the driver seat, just passenger in the back and some dude with a laptop in the passenger seat.
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Heard today in an abc radio interview, from the security who put out today huawei and zte telcos, who ARE required to report to the china communist party and would be banned from participating in the 5g role out as there was not a guarantee the system would/could not be hacked of driverless cars, for example.
Driverless cars at your peril.
Imagine the driverless trucks at the mines; dodge'em trucksLOL
where is the comment from Rio, BHP, fmg?
the silence is deafening......
they make a lot of money from the chinese, therefore compromised?
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Didn't want to start a new thread.  
1/3 of cars parked at train stations travel 800 metres or less to do so Confused

The human race is morphing into something unrecognisable and sad, a bunch of pathetic, technology dependent , short attention span who do not even perform basic human activities cause it requires some minimal effort.

Many of them probably have gym memberships though LOL

Same types who drive the wrong way in a public carpark or small road because it would take them 60 seconds longer to drive the other way, amazing


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Its happening. And in a bigger way than what people yet realise
Here is a few things I know

1: Cars will be self producing, ordering each other, using crypto
So if the cars detect there is a new fleet required, it actually self automates using crypto, and orders for itself, and sends out new fleets. an entirely self automated fleet, that pays itself, and orders for itself, and sends for you.

2: drones are doing the same. drones, ordering drones, via the crypto network.
its mindboggling what they are about to do.


I love how people just say "oh, it has problems". and they give up.
thats what bloody inventions are for, SOLVING a PROBLEM.
problem equals need for solution.
driverless drones, self ordering cars, theat create and send its own fleet, is most certainly happening.

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What does the car you may be driving now with Autonomous Emergency Braking (AEB) do with that kangaroo in front of you and a B-triple up your clacker?Shocked
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Originally posted by Tlazolteotl Tlazolteotl wrote:

What does the car you may be driving now with Autonomous Emergency Braking (AEB) do with that kangaroo in front of you and a B-triple up your clacker?Shocked


The thought sickens me ...I think they are a long way from driverless cars

      Mine used to be driverless when the Pubs closed in the 60's.
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