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    Posted: 24 Jan 2016 at 9:53pm
My Smokey to finish in the top 3 of first year stallions;

But where are his progeny?

Are they hiding?

Would like a few more runners at this stage of the season Mr Helmet and notice you don't have anything nominated for the Blue Diamond.
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i mentioned it in the sons of E&E thread.

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I have heard from a few sources that his progeny are proving as difficult as he was
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Oh that's not good I didn't know he was difficult, that no good at all.

Well done REM.......Ya can't beat a little inside info.
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Achi Baba is clearly his best offspring so far but is yet to win.

His over night winner

OrewaColt 2014  
Helmet (AUS)
Chestnut 2008
Exceed and Excel
Bay 2000
Danehill
Bay 1986
Danzig
Bay 1977
Northern Dancer
Pas de Nom
1961
1968
2-d
7-a
Razyana
Bay 1981
His Majesty
Spring Adieu
1968
1974
4-d
2-d
Patrona
Chestnut 1994
Lomond
Bay 1980
Northern Dancer
My Charmer
1961
1969
2-d
13-c
Gladiolus
Chestnut 1974
Watch Your Step
Back Britches
1956
1964
6-a
23-b
Accessories
Brown 2003
Singspiel
Bay 1992
In the Wings
Bay 1986
Sadler's Wells
High Hawk
1981
1980
5-h
9-e
Glorious Song
Bay 1976
Halo
Ballade
1969
1972
2-d
12-c
Anna Matrushka
Chestnut 1984
Mill Reef
Bay 1968
Never Bend
Milan Mill
1960
1962
19-b
22-d
Anna Paola
Chestnut 1978
Prince Ippi
Antwerpen
1969
1972
1-s
7-f
Lucky (IRE)
Bay 2001
Sadler's Wells
Bay 1981
Northern Dancer
Bay 1961
Nearctic
Brown 1954
Nearco
Lady Angela
1935
1944
4-r
14-c
Natalma
Bay 1957
Native Dancer
Almahmoud
1950
1947
5-f
2-d
Fairy Bridge
Bay 1975
Bold Reason
Bay 1968
Hail to Reason
Lalun
1958
1952
4-n
19-b
Special
Bay 1969
Forli
Thong
1963
1964
3-b
5-h
Zummerudd
Bay 1981
Habitat
Bay 1966
Sir Gaylord
Bay 1959
Turn-To
Somethingroyal
1951
1952
1-w
2-s
Little Hut
Bay 1952
Occupy
Savage Beauty
1941
1934
23-b
4-r
Ampulla
Bay 1974
Crowned Prince
Chestnut 1969
Raise a Native
Gay Hostess
1961
1957
8-f
4-d
A 1
Grey 1963
Abernant
Asti Spumante
1946
1947
9-c
7>
 Ancestor duplications:Northern Dancer5m,5m x 3m Sadler's Wells5m x 2f
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CHUPALLA (GB)Bay filly 2014 
Helmet
Chestnut 2008
Exceed and Excel
Bay 2000
Danehill
Bay 1986
Danzig
Bay 1977
Northern Dancer
Pas de Nom
1961
1968
2-d
7-a
Razyana
Bay 1981
His Majesty
Spring Adieu
1968
1974
4-d
2-d
Patrona
Chestnut 1994
Lomond
Bay 1980
Northern Dancer
My Charmer
1961
1969
2-d
13-c
Gladiolus
Chestnut 1974
Watch Your Step
Back Britches
1956
1964
6-a
23-b
Accessories
Brown 2003
Singspiel
Bay 1992
In the Wings
Bay 1986
Sadler's Wells
High Hawk
1981
1980
5-h
9-e
Glorious Song
Bay 1976
Halo
Ballade
1969
1972
2-d
12-c
Anna Matrushka
Chestnut 1984
Mill Reef
Bay 1968
Never Bend
Milan Mill
1960
1962
19-b
22-d
Anna Paola
Chestnut 1978
Prince Ippi
Antwerpen
1969
1972
1-s
7-f
Dubai Sunrise
Bay 2007
Dubai Destination
Bay 1999
Kingmambo
Bay 1990
Mr Prospector
Bay 1970
Raise a Native
Gold Digger
1961
1962
8-f
13-c
Miesque
Bay 1984
Nureyev
Pasadoble
1977
1979
5-h
20>
Mysterial
Bay or brown 1994
Alleged
Bay 1974
Hoist the Flag
Princess Pout
1968
1966
5-i
2-s
Mysteries
Chestnut 1986
Seattle Slew
Phydilla
1974
1978
13-c
6-b
Sunset Mirage
Bay or brown 2001
Swain
Bay 1992
Nashwan
Chestnut 1986
Blushing Groom
Height of Fashion
1974
1979
22-d
2-f
Love Smitten
Bay 1981
Key to the Mint
Square Angel
1969
1970
2-n
14-c
Yafill
Bay or brown 1989
Nureyev
Bay 1977
Northern Dancer
Special
1961
1969
2-d
5-h
Taras Charmer
Chestnut 1984
Majestic Light
French Charmer
1973
1978
8-c
8-h
 Ancestor duplications:Northern Dancer5m,5m x 5m Nureyevx 5f,4f
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BOATER (IRE)Bay filly 2014 
Helmet
Chestnut 2008
Exceed and Excel
Bay 2000
Danehill
Bay 1986
Danzig
Bay 1977
Northern Dancer
Pas de Nom
1961
1968
2-d
7-a
Razyana
Bay 1981
His Majesty
Spring Adieu
1968
1974
4-d
2-d
Patrona
Chestnut 1994
Lomond
Bay 1980
Northern Dancer
My Charmer
1961
1969
2-d
13-c
Gladiolus
Chestnut 1974
Watch Your Step
Back Britches
1956
1964
6-a
23-b
Accessories
Brown 2003
Singspiel
Bay 1992
In the Wings
Bay 1986
Sadler's Wells
High Hawk
1981
1980
5-h
9-e
Glorious Song
Bay 1976
Halo
Ballade
1969
1972
2-d
12-c
Anna Matrushka
Chestnut 1984
Mill Reef
Bay 1968
Never Bend
Milan Mill
1960
1962
19-b
22-d
Anna Paola
Chestnut 1978
Prince Ippi
Antwerpen
1969
1972
1-s
7-f
Cercle d'Amour
Bay 2003
Storm Cat
Bay or brown 1983
Storm Bird
Bay 1978
Northern Dancer
Bay 1961
Nearctic
Natalma
1954
1957
14-c
2-d
South Ocean
Bay 1967
New Providence
Shining Sun
1956
1962
9-d
4-j
Terlingua
Chestnut 1976
Secretariat
Chestnut 1970
Bold Ruler
Somethingroyal
1954
1952
8-d
2-s
Crimson Saint
Chestnut 1969
Crimson Satan
Bolero Rose
1959
1958
26>
8-c
Warm Mood
Bay 1989
Alydar
Chestnut 1975
Raise a Native
Chestnut 1961
Native Dancer
Raise You
1950
1946
5-f
8-f
Sweet Tooth
Bay 1965
On-And-On
Plum Cake
1956
1958
23-b
9-c
Summer Mood
Bay 1981
Raja Baba
Bay 1968
Bold Ruler
Missy Baba
1954
1958
8-d
3-l
Fairly Regal
Bay or brown 1974
Viceregal
Fair
1966
1966
10-c
8-j
 Ancestor duplications:Northern Dancer5m,5m x 4m Bold Rulerx 5m,5m
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Originally posted by rem286 rem286 wrote:

I have heard from a few sources that his progeny are proving as difficult as he was

And the last thing you want is an Australian trainer guiding the career of difficult horses.


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Could end up doing the reverse of the numerous NH guns that flop down here.
Might get back to the UK after Christmas and be too valuable to return to our shores. Smile
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Interesting one out of a Storm Cat mare - a line we find a bit firey down here.  So double hot under the collar and a winner.
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Quinella at Bath. 
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4 winners and 1 second from 5 starters. The second was behind another Helmet. 14 starters here for zero winners!
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It this was his first crop (prior to his Australian runners) we'd all of been going mad for Helmets.  This is the strangest difference I've ever seen.
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Actually he had another runner in France which finished mid field.
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There is nowhere else in the world who can produce precocious 2yo runners like our stallions can.  Our 2nd rate 2yo sires would dominate early 2yo racing overseas.  
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They already do , look at New Zealand.
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Another winner - 

THUNDER SNOW  (IRE) b. C, 2014 {4-k} DP = 2-1-11-4-0 (18) DI = 0.89   CD = 0.06
HELMET (AUS)
w. 2008
EXCEED AND EXCEL (AUS)
b. 2000
DANEHILL (USA)
b. 1986
DANZIG (USA)
b. 1977 [IC]
NORTHERN DANCER (CAN) b. 1961 [BC]
PAS DE NOM (USA)br. 1968
RAZYANA (USA)
b. 1981
HIS MAJESTY (USA)b. 1968 [C]
SPRING ADIEU (CAN)b. 1974
PATRONA (USA)
ch. 1994
LOMOND (USA)
b. 1980
NORTHERN DANCER (CAN) b. 1961 [BC]
MY CHARMER (USA)b. 1969 *
GLADIOLUS (USA)
ch. 1974
WATCH YOUR STEP (USA)ch. 1956
BACK BRITCHES (USA)ch. 1964
ACCESSORIES (GB)
b. 2003
SINGSPIEL (IRE)
b. 1992
IN THE WINGS (GB)
b. 1986 [CS]
SADLERS WELLS (USA)b. 1981 [CS]
HIGH HAWK (IRE)b. 1980
GLORIOUS SONG (CAN)*
b. 1976
HALO (USA)blk. 1969 [BC]
BALLADE (USA)br. 1972 *
ANNA MATRUSHKA (GB)
ch. 1984
MILL REEF (USA)
b. 1968 [CS]
NEVER BEND (USA)br. 1960 [BI]
MILAN MILL (USA)b. 1962 *
ANNA PAOLA (GER)
ch. 1978
PRINCE IPPI (GER)b. 1969
ANTWERPEN (GER)ch. 1972
EASTERN JOY (GB)
blk. 2006
DUBAI DESTINATION (USA)
b. 1999
KINGMAMBO (USA)
b. 1990 [CS]
MR. PROSPECTOR (USA)
b. 1970 [BC]
RAISE A NATIVE (USA)ch. 1961
GOLD DIGGER (USA)b. 1962 *
MIESQUE (USA)*
b. 1984
NUREYEV (USA) b. 1977 [C]
PASADOBLE (USA)b. 1979
MYSTERIAL (USA)
dkb/br. 1994
ALLEGED (USA)
b. 1974
HOIST THE FLAG (USA)b. 1968 [BI]
PRINCESS POUT (USA)b. 1966
MYSTERIES (USA)
b. 1986
SEATTLE SLEW (USA)dkb/br. 1974 [BC]
PHYDILLA (FR)b. 1978
RED SLIPPERS (USA)
ch. 1989
NUREYEV (USA)
b. 1977 [C]
 NORTHERN DANCER (CAN)
b. 1961 [BC]
 NEARCTIC (CAN)br. 1954
NATALMA (USA)b. 1957 *
SPECIAL (USA)*
b. 1969
FORLI (ARG)ch. 1963 [C]
THONG (USA)b. 1964 *
MORNING DEVOTION (USA)*
ch. 1982
AFFIRMED (USA)
ch. 1975
EXCLUSIVE NATIVE (USA)ch. 1965 [C]
WONT TELL YOU (USA)b. 1962 *
MORNING HAS BROKEN (USA)
ch. 1974
PRINCE JOHN (USA)ch. 1953 [C]
A WIND IS RISING (USA)b. 1969 *

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Thunder Snow an impressive group 1 winner overnight.
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Couldn't find Helmet so put it in the worst season of first season sires instead.  If Helmet had started in England perhaps he would have a better reputation.
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Came across this little bull on Breednet

C - Helmet x Dutch Harbor
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How is this lad tracking , both here and overseas ?
Slow maturing horses.
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Originally posted by Aurelius Aurelius wrote:

My Smokey to finish in the top 3 of first year stallions;

But where are his progeny?

Are they hiding?

Would like a few more runners at this stage of the season Mr Helmet and notice you don't have anything nominated for the Blue Diamond.


Good call.

I knew he had it in him it was just a time factor.
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Sires the Dubai World Cup winner.


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Been following him since i got a share in a helmet, 25-1 on betfair was a nice pickup. Helmet going well overseas. Starting to get some winners here.
Im just an ex con tryna go straight and get my kids back.
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I thought he’d be a star as a stallion. May be starting to happen
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Does he produce big clunky types at all?
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Let’s say Thunder Snow shuttles to Australia.

Does that help or hinder his sire?
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From what Ive seen he can throw some different types, I like his taller leggier yearlings, not sure how many 2 year olds he'll throw but his older horses seem to get better with time. He might end up being a better NH horse for some reason. Thunder snow's action works on Turf and Dirt so don't think that's the reason.
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