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The figures have gone up on the ASB for the 2015 season (albeit not completed as December is missing as yet) but they make very interesting reading. The top as usual seems to have thrived, but the middle is getting rather tough now.
Seems the Victorians weren't won over by Spendthrifts "throw in the steak knives" offers! The much discussed Deep Field was popular - doubt any other first season horse did so well @ 190 mares.
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Victorian covers generally way down. And yes, Spendthrift was virtually ignored by breeders: was thinking of Warrior's Return however they missed out due to an inablity to deal. Was also considering Master of Design who's numbers were well down - they wouldn't or couldn't deal well enough so they missed out also.
There's only half a dozen Victorian-based stallions in the Top 100 of the General Sires List so surely stud owners need to better meet the market.
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I thought Bel Esprit would have been up more on numbers than he was .
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Looks like Pierros numbers dropped off...
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Don't forget Pierro only served the first 6 weeks of the season - or at least that's all the covers listed to date, not sure if he got going again in December but doubtful.
I believe he had colic surgery.
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Posted: 02 Jan 2016 at 8:54pm |
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Very interesting stats for Vic. I commented after the Inglis Stallion parade that those stallions presented were an underwhelming lot. Breeders at that level have shown that they are incisive , but at another level syndicators are not!
How many syndicators realise that the commercial stallions and mare progeny that the 7 big studs in NSW (who account for 40+% of the foal crop) present as yearlings lack genetic diversity and thus a lack of ability. |
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Posted: 02 Jan 2016 at 10:07pm |
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4th season sires generally have a drop off, your at that stage where your taking the biggest possible gamble.
Spendthrift is such a cringeworthy name, yuck. |
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There must be a bunch of returns yet to be filed with those Spendthrift numbers.
They'd shut the doors if that was the full story.
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Smart Missile may of had more than that, not entirely sure.
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Nevermind, he only got 196. Not sure, would have to go close for a first season.
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 Sprinting mares with Rubick = 800m. Why oh why....... |
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There's enough runs on the board from both sides of his pedigree to suggest he could get a bunch of 1600m types. He's 3/4 to Manhattan Rain, who would have a Cox Plate on his resume if not for a Hall of Famer. Do agree that the number seems a bit over the top for a bloke with his racing manners.
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Posted: 03 Jan 2016 at 10:53pm |
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I'm not an ASB subscriber but intrigued to know the Swettenham 2015 coverings if one of you decent TBV people can take a moment to post
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According to the Studbook:
The Wow Signal - 36* Toronado - 125* Puissance De Lune - 68* Americain - 63* Equiano - 40* Master of Design - 70* * Only September & October coverings are listed, so expect these to rise - i.e. there is an article on the Swettenham website claiming 170-odd for Toronado. All of the shuttlers shuttled on the weekend before Christmas. Blue Gum Farm is another who's 2015 records only go as far as October. Canford Cliffs is set to increase at least 25%, but the others will have a bit of work to do.
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*** whose, not who's.
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Posted: 15 Jan 2016 at 4:34pm |
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254 mares for Deep Field... Get him an ice bucket. More than 3x the entire Spendthrift roster. Other first-timers that I can think of: Rubick - 207 Dissident - 191 Toronado - 173 Shooting To Win - 154 (which makes 408 from the two brothers) Wandjina - 152 Better Than Ready - 138 Brazen Beau - 134 Sidestep - 134 Olympic Glory - 122 Hallowed Crown - 100 Puissance De Lune - 94 Zebedee - 94 Adelaide - 93 Verrazano - 69 Cluster - 68 Rock Hero - 41
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Posted: 15 Jan 2016 at 4:58pm |
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Its interesting the support with Deep Field... given that there is such a two year old focus and he didn't start until he was a late three year old...
Guess Shooting to win won at two... just intriguing.
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Posted: 15 Jan 2016 at 5:11pm |
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Wasn't he an excellent looker?
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And Deep Field was found wanting when he took on the top-graders!
Some astute marketing and (without knowing) suspect two mares for each shareholder/client for the first few years, similar to Reward For Effort. If he finds a few early stakes winners he'll no doubt kick on because no-one'll care about the 150 or morre 1st season foals who fail to flatter.
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Better than Ready must have in fact been that , nice figures in Qld in some areas LCA over 180, Bel Esprit 140, Spirit of Boom 142 , Rothesay 133, Real Saga 103. but some are waning Show a Heart is struggling a bit amongst others , Then Unusual Suspect , a horse I'm keen on gets 71, what the ! love his Pedigree though .
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Posted: 15 Jan 2016 at 11:08pm |
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249 covers in a first season had to be a record. Deep field the hype horse gets every chance. Bet he's enjoying the break
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Trying not to be brutal....but most of you guys just don't get it! Deep Field has everything a breeder who wants to breed winners and sale ring horses is looking for, and off a very affordable fee. He is a magnificent looking animal, he had speed to burn ( the easiest trait to pass on), he has no Danehill blood, he is from a great family and his fertility is tops. The reason he didn't race as a two year old is because he had a very bad kick to a stifle when he was spelling which almost stopped him racing altogether. This has been mentioned several times before on this site. Wayne Hawkes told me the reason why he didn't go on with it was because his other stifle was suffering because of the weight bearing it had to do when he was lame for so long. Shooting to Win is also a great looking horse and a superior racehorse but he didn't have the dynamic speed that Deep Field and their sire Northern Meteor possessed. I will be very surprised if at least one of these full brothers doesn't make it as a sire.
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You're in the business and have consistently been a big push for Deep Field, and your opinion should be respected. And don't disagree with the majority of the points you've made above and earlier on.
However it's likely that his final covers will probably total around 260. If 80% get in foal he'll produce about 210 foals. Only 20% (or about 40) tops will make the three major sales, meaning breeders will either (a) have to race the 170 left over or (b) sell for a likely loss after expenses at Classic, Scone etc etc. Let the force be with them, because that's always a problem when tyro stallions serve huge initial books. And fwiw why I usually visit a well-credentialled young stallion that's unlikely to serve more than about half that number. |
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... of course none of which will affect their ability to gallop, be it quickly or otherwise.
Just raising the potential realities of visiting such a stallion should your mare not be in the top 15-20% of his huge book.
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Less risky 3rd year with him imo, certainly had a nice book though and agree with SC will be hard to get a place in top level sales , and as you mentioned biggles he will in fact be competing against a better race performed brother at these sales amongst other other first year lads .
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Good luck getting them in the sales as has been said. All the studs will look after themselves. You wouldn't want to be a small breeder - smashed
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He will get a lot more than 40 into the three major sales. Agree with Biggles on this one that he represents value at his advertised fee and hence the big book he received. He had great speed, people say he is a looker and and he does have an outcross to Danehill bloodlines. Still no guarantee that he will make it as a sire but has a better chance than many. |
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