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    Posted: 15 Nov 2022 at 4:17pm
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Solar and wind power shutdown forecast as SA remains cut off from national electricity grid

Wind farms and rooftop solar installations could be switched off in the coming days to protect South Australia's energy grid, with experts warning of the risk of more blackouts following the weekend's extreme weather.

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  • SA was cut off from the national energy grid because of storm damage to its interconnector with Victoria
  • That means surplus solar power cannot be exported interstate, leaving the state grid at risk of excess generation
  • Energy authorities could intervene, shutting down wind and solar farms to curb output and protect the grid

The state remains cut off from the national electricity market after key infrastructure was toppled in the state's east. 

Transmission company ElectraNet is aiming to have a temporary fix in place for its crumpled giant pylon along the SA-Victoria interconnector by Sunday night, but has warned of potential stability issues in the meantime as SA continues to generate power without the capacity to export the surplus.

In a scene reminiscent of the 2016 statewide blackout, wild weather ripped down the transmission tower just south of Tailem Bend about 5pm on Saturday, isolating South Australia from the rest of the national grid.

That has created the risk of what some experts call a "solar spill", in which too much electricity from renewables is generated during periods of low demand and threatens to overload the system.

ElectraNet chief executive Simon Emms said the "highest risk" of that occurring would be on Thursday because of sunny weather conditions forecast for Adelaide.

He said the problem was unique to South Australia because of its high reliance on renewables.

"There's no risk of not having enough electricity, the risk is we have too much electricity for the demand on the system at that point in time," he said.

"It's only going to happen in South Australia because South Australia's renewables penetration I think is north of 60, almost 70, per cent. The other states are in the 20 or 30 per cent [range].

"On Thursday, we'll work with the Australian Energy Market Operator and SA Power Networks. The first step, they'll turn off wind farms and commercial solar farms to hopefully minimise the impact on the rooftop solar."

Mr Emms said construction of a new pylon would "probably take many months", but that crews were currently working to safely remove the collapsed pylon and replace it with temporary towers.

"We're currently aiming to have the interconnector back on by the end of the weekend," he said.

"The interconnector to Victoria was built in the 1980s so the towers are approximately 30 or 40 years old, they're about 50-metres tall, and it obviously takes a very localised severe event to cause that sort of damage to such a significant piece of infrastructure.

"With the interconnector out of service, we're not connected to Victoria so that means we can't export any surplus power.

"To maintain system security we need a certain number of gas-fired units on, and that requires the dialling down of renewable generation during the peak periods of sun."

South Australians could face further blackouts

South Australia's energy supply has been back in the spotlight in recent days, after 163,000 homes and businesses had supply cut as a result of Saturday's storms.

Professor Bruce Mountain from Victoria University’s Victoria Energy Policy Centre said the state remained vulnerable while the interconnector was down. 

"The risk to the system would be in South Australia some level of load shedding," Professor Mountain said.  

"It is possible that suburbs and areas could be switched off for at least some period.

"In those sorts of events ... there's a shutdown order, there's a sequenced approach, there's a way to determine which areas are better to switch off than the other."

But Professor Mountain said it would be a much more manageable process than the blackouts caused by the weekend storms. 

"Because they can anticipate a lot of this, it wouldn't be a systemic regional wide breakdown," he said. 

Professor Mountain said while creating another interconnector to NSW would help SA in the future, more battery storage should be the immediate priority. 

"That storage brings on clean supply, it insulates you against these supply risks, it decreases the demand for gas, it has all sorts of benefits across the electricity sector and across the gas sector," he said. 

"I encourage the South Australian government to establish a storage target, as other states have, so that they have got a policy focus on it and ensures that they bring in that storage quickly.

"For some reason, the South Australian government in recent years has dropped this off its list and has had all its eyes on interconnection.

"There's no substitute for storage and building up that storage should be done. That should be South Australia's first focus."

The authority to remotely turn off household solar panels to protect the grid was granted to SA Power Networks two years ago, but has been used only sporadically and sparingly since then.

ElectraNet chief executive Simon Emms said the likelihood of an imminent solar and wind switch-off depended on the "supply-and-demand balance on the day", but said the risk of similar events in future would be attenuated by a second interconnector between SA and New South Wales, which is still being built.

"Obviously, the sunnier it is, the more rooftop solar there will be," he said.

"Customers being asked to dial down their solar is a rare event and it's only driven by the fact that the interconnector's out of service. When the interconnector to New South Wales is built, it will be even less likely."


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 You wonder if they can find a reliable solution which isn't affected by weather and its consequences.

 Not everyone could have a home generator.

 
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Total dykehead comment in the face of climate change and global pollution fueled by, er, fossil fuel.
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Engineers harvest abundant clean energy from thin air, 24/7

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A team of engineers has recently shown that nearly any material can be turned into a device that continuously harvests electricity from humidity in the air. Researchers describe the 'generic Air-gen effect'-- nearly any material can be engineered with nanopores to harvest, cost effective, scalable, interruption-free electricity. The secret lies in being able to pepper the material with nanopores less than 100 nanometers in diameter.

A team of engineers at the University of Massachusetts Amherst has recently shown that nearly any material can be turned into a device that continuously harvests electricity from humidity in the air. The secret lies in being able to pepper the material with nanopores less than 100 nanometers in diameter. The research appeared in the journal Advanced Materials.

"This is very exciting," says Xiaomeng Liu, a graduate student in electrical and computer engineering in UMass Amherst's College of Engineering and the paper's lead author. "We are opening up a wide door for harvesting clean electricity from thin air."

"The air contains an enormous amount of electricity," says Jun Yao, assistant professor of electrical and computer engineering in the College of Engineering at UMass Amherst, and the paper's senior author. "Think of a cloud, which is nothing more than a mass of water droplets. Each of those droplets contains a charge, and when conditions are right, the cloud can produce a lightning bolt -- but we don't know how to reliably capture electricity from lightning. What we've done is to create a human-built, small-scale cloud that produces electricity for us predictably and continuously so that we can harvest it."

The heart of the human-made cloud depends on what Yao and his colleagues call the "generic Air-gen effect," and it builds on work that Yao and co-author Derek Lovley, Distinguished Professor of Microbiology at UMass Amherst, had previously completed in 2020 showing that electricity could be continuously harvested from the air using a specialized material made of protein nanowires grown from the bacterium Geobacter sulfurreducens.

"What we realized after making the Geobacter discovery," says Yao, "is that the ability to generate electricity from the air -- what we then called the 'Air-gen effect' -- turns out to be generic: literally any kind of material can harvest electricity from air, as long as it has a certain property."

That property? "It needs to have holes smaller than 100 nanometers (nm), or less than a thousandth of the width of a human hair."

This is because of a parameter known as the "mean free path," the distance a single molecule of a substance, in this case water in the air, travels before it bumps into another single molecule of the same substance. When water molecules are suspended in the air, their mean free path is about 100 nm.

 

Yao and his colleagues realized that they could design an electricity harvester based around this number. This harvester would be made from a thin layer of material filled with nanopores smaller than 100 nm that would let water molecules pass from the upper to the lower part of the material. But because each pore is so small, the water molecules would easily bump into the pore's edge as they pass through the thin layer. This means that the upper part of the layer would be bombarded with many more charge-carrying water molecules than the lower part, creating a charge imbalance, like that in a cloud, as the upper part increased its charge relative to the lower part. This would effectually create a battery -- one that runs as long as there is any humidity in the air.

"The idea is simple," says Yao, "but it's never been discovered before, and it opens all kinds of possibilities." The harvester could be designed from literally all kinds of material, offering broad choices for cost-effective and environment-adaptable fabrications. "You could image harvesters made of one kind of material for rainforest environments, and another for more arid regions."

And since humidity is ever-present, the harvester would run 24/7, rain or shine, at night and whether or not the wind blows, which solves one of the major problems of technologies like wind or solar, which only work under certain conditions.

Finally, because air humidity diffuses in three-dimensional space and the thickness of the Air-gen device is only a fraction of the width of a human hair, many thousands of them can be stacked on top of each other, efficiently scaling up the amount of energy without increasing the footprint of the device. Such an Air-gen device would be capable of delivering kilowatt-level power for general electrical utility usage.

"Imagine a future world in which clean electricity is available anywhere you go," says Yao. "The generic Air-gen effect means that this future world can become a reality."

This research was supported by the National Science Foundation, Sony Group, Link Foundation, and the Institute for Applied Life Sciences (IALS) at UMass Amherst, which combines deep and interdisciplinary expertise from 29 departments on the UMass Amherst campus to translate fundamental research into innovations that benefit human health and well-being.


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    now that sounds interesting..
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    When it comes to power, solar is about to leave nuclear and everything else in the shade

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    from the abc website - and the Qlders think they will get a cheap olympics - not if this is any guide

    The cost of Queensland’s CopperString transmission line project has blown out to almost $14 billion – four times what the state government will spend on the Olympics and Paralympics.

    Treasurer and Energy Minister David Janetzki is expected to reveal the massive cost increase in a major speech on Tuesday after a review into the high voltage network project.

    It is a significant increase from the $1.8 billion slated when the project was first announced in 2020.

    The construction of 1,100-kilometres of overhead power lines from Townsville to Mount Isa would result in mines and towns in the region being connected to the national electricity market for the first time.

    Queensland MP Robbie Katter has called for project operator, Powerlink, to step down from the construction of the project.

    The project was purchased by the Queensland government in 2023.

    It then tasked government-owned corporation Powerlink to deliver the construction.

    Powerlink has since advised it would be better to build the transmission line from Townsville to Hughenden before extending it to Mount Isa — a backflip on the original plan to first build west from Hughenden.

    Mr Katter, who is leader of Katter's Australia Party and state member for Traeger, said the news underscored a lack of desire or drive to get the project built.

    "We've put up with a lot of signs of gross incompetence, this in the nail in the coffin, the government can no longer ignore this issue," Mr Katter said.

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    Perth-based hydrogen player Infinite Green Energy has brought in administrators less than 24 hours before a Supreme Court hearing in a multimillion-dollar debt dispute its chief executive claimed the WA Premier could help resolve.

    KordaMentha’s Richard Tucker and Jared Palandri were handed the reins to the company and nine of its associated entities on Monday, according to documents filed with the corporate regulator.


    But the most damning piece of correspondence was from Deutsche Bank’s anti-financial crime department, which claimed bank transfer documents IGE sent were inauthentic and should be treated with a “high degree of scepticism”.

    Gauld, who represented the company before engaging lawyers Edwards Mac Scovell, pinned the delayed payment on challenging global markets before claiming he could obtain $5 million from a taxpayer fund for economic diversification.


    “If I need to go to Roger Cook tomorrow or Monday next week and say, ‘Roger, listen’ because he has got $60 million right now for renewable energy projects … Roger could give us $5 million from the [investment] attraction fund,” Gauld told the court, according to transcripts of the proceedings.

    “I can go back to him next week and say, ‘Listen, we’ve got an urgent commitment, I need another $5 million’, and we will get this all done. It’s not an issue.”

    While acknowledging he had worked with the company and its officials, Cook was adamant he did not have a personal relationship with Gauld and the release of such funds were subject to stringent oversight.

    “I have no idea why he would make that comment, I have no personal relationship with Stephen, but he is at one of our renewable energy companies and obviously, I work with him and his colleagues on a regular basis,” Cook told WAtoday.

    “I’m not quite sure why he made those comments.

    https://www.watoday.com.au/national/western-australia/infinite-green-energy-collapses-into-administration-20250331-p5lnyz.html

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