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You can show your religious beliefs without posting a radical rant on stalkbook. 
These blokes know the rules , and sign a piece of paper agreeing that they know and will abide by them.
He is gone and good riddance. 
Radical ? Straight out of the bible pretty much. 




You hear a lot of christians preaching this sort of stuff? Which church do you go to?
In the current climate they cant say boo. There are a lot of "No" voters out there E&E - & most of them have a basic religious foundation behind it




That is the excuse trotted out time and time again. They can’t say boo? Please! Reality is his views are at the extreme end of the scale.
Fair enough - & those that are "genuinely" offended by them would be just as few at the other end. He probably get offended every time he sees 2 blokes walking hand in hand. So both ends are getting offended. i'm pretty well all those things he went off about (i said nearly) - so what - just laugh it off.
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Anyhow - as usual this sort of crap will only give his views more publicity & give him more star power. Called shooting yourself in the foot RA. Tell the little Qantas Irish twat to focus on his Emirates commercial arrangement. Yeah - right !
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You can show your religious beliefs without posting a radical rant on stalkbook. 
These blokes know the rules , and sign a piece of paper agreeing that they know and will abide by them.
He is gone and good riddance. 



Correct AA!

When you sign a contract you are bound by the terms. If you breach one of those terms there are penalties. That goes for both parties. No one is forced to sign a contract to play football for a million bucks a year. There is no one at Rugby Australia waiting with a loaded gun pointed at the back of a players head insisting they sign.
Of course there is. He wants to play rugby - where else can he go & do it. People like him who have fundamental religious views should not be "forced" to sign a contract they don't agree with just to play the game he loves.



No, he is not forced at all. That is nonsense. There are plenty of things I would like to do but for various reasons can’t. So what? If his religious beliefs are the number 1 priority in his life and he’s not willing to compromise them that’s cool but it comes at the expense of not being able to play in this instance. Life is full of choices. He appears to have made his.
& he is on record as saying he puts his religious belief before Rugby. Just dont think he should be made to make that choice. See i don't think you can equate your "other things" response with a religious belief. 

It’s really not that difficult.
No one asked him to do anything his religion does not support.
The only restriction was that he was not to publicise his homophobic beliefs.
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You can show your religious beliefs without posting a radical rant on stalkbook. 
These blokes know the rules , and sign a piece of paper agreeing that they know and will abide by them.
He is gone and good riddance. 



Correct AA!

When you sign a contract you are bound by the terms. If you breach one of those terms there are penalties. That goes for both parties. No one is forced to sign a contract to play football for a million bucks a year. There is no one at Rugby Australia waiting with a loaded gun pointed at the back of a players head insisting they sign.
Of course there is. He wants to play rugby - where else can he go & do it. People like him who have fundamental religious views should not be "forced" to sign a contract they don't agree with just to play the game he loves.



No, he is not forced at all. That is nonsense. There are plenty of things I would like to do but for various reasons can’t. So what? If his religious beliefs are the number 1 priority in his life and he’s not willing to compromise them that’s cool but it comes at the expense of not being able to play in this instance. Life is full of choices. He appears to have made his.
& he is on record as saying he puts his religious belief before Rugby. Just dont think he should be made to make that choice. See i don't think you can equate your "other things" response with a religious belief. 

It’s really not that difficult.
No one asked him to do anything his religion does not support.
The only restriction was that he was not to publicise his homophobic beliefs.
This might come as a surprise to you Rusty. Those with genuine belief are not normally dictated to as to when they can praise the lord & when they cant.  
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Is he eligible to represent Tonga, a country that is possibly more tolerant of his outdated theories?
Or did his parents move here for a better life, to embrace Oztralian Culcha.
Gee this story sounds familiar.
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& seriously - how many people "really" took his comments to heart ? Just dust him off as a religious nut job. Ridiculous reaction by all & sundry
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Is he eligible to represent Tonga, a country that is possibly more tolerant of his outdated theories?
Or did his parents move here for a better life, to embrace Oztralian Culcha.
Gee this story sounds familiar.
Hey Softly - we want to win the bloody World Cup - not Tonga. You do realise he is our best player don't you ?
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You can show your religious beliefs without posting a radical rant on stalkbook. 
These blokes know the rules , and sign a piece of paper agreeing that they know and will abide by them.
He is gone and good riddance. 



Correct AA!

When you sign a contract you are bound by the terms. If you breach one of those terms there are penalties. That goes for both parties. No one is forced to sign a contract to play football for a million bucks a year. There is no one at Rugby Australia waiting with a loaded gun pointed at the back of a players head insisting they sign.
Of course there is. He wants to play rugby - where else can he go & do it. People like him who have fundamental religious views should not be "forced" to sign a contract they don't agree with just to play the game he loves.



No, he is not forced at all. That is nonsense. There are plenty of things I would like to do but for various reasons can’t. So what? If his religious beliefs are the number 1 priority in his life and he’s not willing to compromise them that’s cool but it comes at the expense of not being able to play in this instance. Life is full of choices. He appears to have made his.
& he is on record as saying he puts his religious belief before Rugby. Just dont think he should be made to make that choice. See i don't think you can equate your "other things" response with a religious belief. 

It’s really not that difficult.
No one asked him to do anything his religion does not support.
The only restriction was that he was not to publicise his homophobic beliefs.
This might come as a surprise to you Rusty. Those with genuine belief are not normally dictated to as to when they can praise the lord & when they cant.  

You’ve missed the point entirely.
He can praise the Lord whenever he likes.
He just can’t do it publicly,in a fashion that marginalises a group, and keep his million dollar income.
Being a Christian doesn’t allow you to destroy the relationships and income of your employer at your will,with no repercussions.
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Originally posted by Softy Softy wrote:

Is he eligible to represent Tonga, a country that is possibly more tolerant of his outdated theories?
Or did his parents move here for a better life, to embrace Oztralian Culcha.
Gee this story sounds familiar.
Hey Softly - we want to win the bloody World Cup - not Tonga. You do realise he is our best player don't you ?

Rugby has rules that there’s a two year window between representing different nations.
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Originally posted by acacia alba acacia alba wrote:

You can show your religious beliefs without posting a radical rant on stalkbook. 
These blokes know the rules , and sign a piece of paper agreeing that they know and will abide by them.
He is gone and good riddance. 



Correct AA!

When you sign a contract you are bound by the terms. If you breach one of those terms there are penalties. That goes for both parties. No one is forced to sign a contract to play football for a million bucks a year. There is no one at Rugby Australia waiting with a loaded gun pointed at the back of a players head insisting they sign.
Of course there is. He wants to play rugby - where else can he go & do it. People like him who have fundamental religious views should not be "forced" to sign a contract they don't agree with just to play the game he loves.



No, he is not forced at all. That is nonsense. There are plenty of things I would like to do but for various reasons can’t. So what? If his religious beliefs are the number 1 priority in his life and he’s not willing to compromise them that’s cool but it comes at the expense of not being able to play in this instance. Life is full of choices. He appears to have made his.
& he is on record as saying he puts his religious belief before Rugby. Just dont think he should be made to make that choice. See i don't think you can equate your "other things" response with a religious belief. 

It’s really not that difficult.
No one asked him to do anything his religion does not support.
The only restriction was that he was not to publicise his homophobic beliefs.
This might come as a surprise to you Rusty. Those with genuine belief are not normally dictated to as to when they can praise the lord & when they cant.  

You’ve missed the point entirely.
He can praise the Lord whenever he likes.
He just can’t do it publicly,in a fashion that marginalises a group, and keep his million dollar income.
Being a Christian doesn’t allow you to destroy the relationships and income of your employer at your will,with no repercussions.
Well we will see about that. He will have no shortage of support to see if you can bottle up religous expression.
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You can show your religious beliefs without posting a radical rant on stalkbook. 
These blokes know the rules , and sign a piece of paper agreeing that they know and will abide by them.
He is gone and good riddance. 
Radical ? Straight out of the bible pretty much. 


No , its not.   Its not a bible quote or anywhere near a bible quote. Its his own hateful words.
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Originally posted by acacia alba acacia alba wrote:

You can show your religious beliefs without posting a radical rant on stalkbook. 
These blokes know the rules , and sign a piece of paper agreeing that they know and will abide by them.
He is gone and good riddance. 



Correct AA!

When you sign a contract you are bound by the terms. If you breach one of those terms there are penalties. That goes for both parties. No one is forced to sign a contract to play football for a million bucks a year. There is no one at Rugby Australia waiting with a loaded gun pointed at the back of a players head insisting they sign.
Of course there is. He wants to play rugby - where else can he go & do it. People like him who have fundamental religious views should not be "forced" to sign a contract they don't agree with just to play the game he loves.



No, he is not forced at all. That is nonsense. There are plenty of things I would like to do but for various reasons can’t. So what? If his religious beliefs are the number 1 priority in his life and he’s not willing to compromise them that’s cool but it comes at the expense of not being able to play in this instance. Life is full of choices. He appears to have made his.
& he is on record as saying he puts his religious belief before Rugby. Just dont think he should be made to make that choice. See i don't think you can equate your "other things" response with a religious belief. 

It’s really not that difficult.
No one asked him to do anything his religion does not support.
The only restriction was that he was not to publicise his homophobic beliefs.
This might come as a surprise to you Rusty. Those with genuine belief are not normally dictated to as to when they can praise the lord & when they cant.  

You’ve missed the point entirely.
He can praise the Lord whenever he likes.
He just can’t do it publicly,in a fashion that marginalises a group, and keep his million dollar income.
Being a Christian doesn’t allow you to destroy the relationships and income of your employer at your will,with no repercussions.
Well we will see about that. He will have no shortage of support to see if you can bottle up religous expression.


The ONLY issue is has RA followed the correct process.
If they have he’s gone,if they haven’t,then the question is how much is the payout.
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Someone predicted this ... if only the bed wetters had just been a little less offended ...Ermm

 

Billy Vunipola on bench for Saracens after support for Folau's anti-LGBT Instagram post

Billy Vunipola is on the bench for Saracens after he refused to unlike an Instagram post published by Israel Folau which made homophobic remarks.

England international Vunipola, the son of a Methodist Minister, said people should follow God's teachings more closely.

Saracens are due to kick off against Bristol Bears at Ashton Gate stadium at 5.30pm on Saturday.

It comes after Vunipola was been dropped by Channel 4 from their Heineken European Cup coverage on Friday.

The 26-year-old was one of a number of stars promoting coverage of the competition.

A Channel Four spokesman said: "These views are incompatible with our values as an inclusive broadcaster and in light of this Billy Vunipola won't be used as a contributor in Channel 4's rugby coverage."

On Wednesday, Australia's Folau said "hell awaits" homosexuals in comments which have resulted in Rugby Australia stating they intend to terminate his contract, effectively ruling him out of this autumn's World Cup.

In an apparent show of support to his fellow Christian, Vunipola states that "Man was made for woman to pro create that was the goal no?"Clap

However, England's first choice number eight adds that "I don't HATE anyone".

Vunipola will meet with the Rugby Football Union to discuss his response to the anti-gay position outlined in his post.

“Rugby is an inclusive sport, and we do not support these views. We will be meeting with Billy to discuss his social media posts,” the RFU said in statement.

The back-rower's club, Saracens, say the will deal with Vunipola internally.

“Saracens proudly embraces diversity and warmly welcomes everyone to the club regardless of race, gender, religion and sexual orientation," a club statement read.

“Our sport is open to all and we strive for it to be free from all forms of discrimination. We recognise that people have different belief systems and we expect everyone to be treated equally with respect and humility.

“As representatives and role models Saracens players have a responsibility not only to themselves but to the club and wider society. Billy Vunipola’s recent social media posts are inconsistent with this and we take this matter very seriously. It will be handled internally.”

Vunipola posted on Friday that he would not back down and unlike the Folau's image.

https://www.itv.com/news/2019-04-13/billy-vunipola-on-bench-for-saracens-after-support-for-folaus-anti-lgbt-instagram-post/
In reference to every post in the Trump thread ... "There may have been a tiny bit of license taken there" ... Ok, Thanks for the "heads up" PT!
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Why is Rugby Union discriminating against Folau's beliefs???
They are his religious beliefs.
If he is sacked for his religious beliefs and exercising his freedom of speech of those religious, he should strongly sue Rugby Union.

Whilst I dont believe in his beliefs, his beliefs have been discriminated.

Folau's beliefs, are a form of discrimination, but Rugby Union have discriminated him in reply.
So 2 wrongs make a right???
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Very strange for you to be on here supporting Gods children and their ahh, erm, middle age views Doc.
Had a recent change of heart about people and their relationship with God?
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You can show your religious beliefs without posting a radical rant on stalkbook. 
These blokes know the rules , and sign a piece of paper agreeing that they know and will abide by them.
He is gone and good riddance. 
Radical ? Straight out of the bible pretty much. 


No , its not.   Its not a bible quote or anywhere near a bible quote. Its his own hateful words.
To make it less hurtful for you AA i will get him to substitute "sodomite" for "homosexual" & "not in the kingdom of god" for "hell"
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Its also worth noting he is not saying he is going to do anything to anyone. It will be god doing it. There is a difference you know.
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I'm predicting the biggest loser out of this will be Raelene Castle. In a no win situation. Now they are going down this Code of Conduct path they are shot ducks. Numerous high profile players who "actually" committed bad behavior all ended up remaining in the game ( Beale, Hunt, Slipper, Cooper for starters) - to kick Folau out for a rant would seem excessive in comparison. The little Irish twat from Qantas is her only hope. He has taken a pragmatic approach in his dealings with Emirates - so it should not be too hard to repeat with RA. Castle also made a big mistake suggesting publicly he would most likely be terminated before sitting down with him. Also no change to the contract last year was done on "purpose" apparently.So i agree with Rusty - this lack of process is also now an issue  
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I was wondering what this thread would look like had it been a Muslim footballer rather than a Christian fundamentalist saying it.

Would it be a freedom of speech, or freedom of religion issue, or an anti gay Muslim issue, both, or would it be too confusing and just an empty thread?
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Originally posted by Redemption Redemption wrote:

Why is Rugby Union discriminating against Folau's beliefs???
They are his religious beliefs.
If he is sacked for his religious beliefs and exercising his freedom of speech of those religious, he should strongly sue Rugby Union.

Whilst I dont believe in his beliefs, his beliefs have been discriminated.

Folau's beliefs, are a form of discrimination, but Rugby Union have discriminated him in reply.
So 2 wrongs make a right???

Why do these religious f'wits think it is their duty to spread the word. His contract said he was not to make such offensive statements but the religious fanatic just can't shut his gob, has to instruct everyone in the path of  "righteousness " Ouch
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Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

I was wondering what this thread would look like had it been a Muslim footballer rather than a Christian fundamentalist saying it.

Would it be a freedom of speech, or freedom of religion issue, or an anti gay Muslim issue, both, or would it be too confusing and just an empty thread?
Well you would have done more homework & got your facts correct for starters PT
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Originally posted by Whale Whale wrote:

Originally posted by Redemption Redemption wrote:

Why is Rugby Union discriminating against Folau's beliefs???
They are his religious beliefs.
If he is sacked for his religious beliefs and exercising his freedom of speech of those religious, he should strongly sue Rugby Union.

Whilst I dont believe in his beliefs, his beliefs have been discriminated.

Folau's beliefs, are a form of discrimination, but Rugby Union have discriminated him in reply.
So 2 wrongs make a right???


Why do these religious f'wits think it is their duty to spread the word. His contract said he was not to make such offensive statements but the religious fanatic just can't shut his gob, has to instruct everyone in the path of  "righteousness " Ouch
Off topic Whale. Start a new thread asking that question
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Just what did his original (& current ) contract actually say ?
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Originally posted by oneonesit oneonesit wrote:

Originally posted by Whale Whale wrote:

Originally posted by Redemption Redemption wrote:

Why is Rugby Union discriminating against Folau's beliefs???
They are his religious beliefs.
If he is sacked for his religious beliefs and exercising his freedom of speech of those religious, he should strongly sue Rugby Union.

Whilst I dont believe in his beliefs, his beliefs have been discriminated.

Folau's beliefs, are a form of discrimination, but Rugby Union have discriminated him in reply.
So 2 wrongs make a right???


Why do these religious f'wits think it is their duty to spread the word. His contract said he was not to make such offensive statements but the religious fanatic just can't shut his gob, has to instruct everyone in the path of  "righteousness " Ouch
Off topic Whale. Start a new thread asking that question


not off topic at all, related to this thread. Don't roam this forum telling people where to post clown
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Just what did his original (& current ) contract actually say ?

A lot of comments from someone who hasn't done their homework. Embarrassed
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Hope it was a bit more specific than a general term like “being inclusive”
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Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

Originally posted by oneonesit oneonesit wrote:

Just what did his original (& current ) contract actually say ?


A lot of comments from someone who hasn't done their homework. Embarrassed
Ok I’ll bite PT. Are you still claiming Folaus original contract was “redrawn” after the blow up last year ?
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Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

Originally posted by oneonesit oneonesit wrote:

Just what did his original (& current ) contract actually say ?


A lot of comments from someone who hasn't done their homework. Embarrassed
& maybe that’s fair comment PT. Mind you if doing “your homework” results in your embarrassing outcomes in the Trump thread then I’m all good thanks
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Correction, not telling people what to do, just having pathetic little digs at me.

Nice to see you are continuing in the same vein since you returned from your hissy fit absence after Gay rebuked you Sleepy
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Originally posted by Whale Whale wrote:

Originally posted by oneonesit oneonesit wrote:

Originally posted by Whale Whale wrote:

Originally posted by Redemption Redemption wrote:

Why is Rugby Union discriminating against Folau's beliefs???
They are his religious beliefs.
If he is sacked for his religious beliefs and exercising his freedom of speech of those religious, he should strongly sue Rugby Union.

Whilst I dont believe in his beliefs, his beliefs have been discriminated.

Folau's beliefs, are a form of discrimination, but Rugby Union have discriminated him in reply.
So 2 wrongs make a right???


Why do these religious f'wits think it is their duty to spread the word. His contract said he was not to make such offensive statements but the religious fanatic just can't shut his gob, has to instruct everyone in the path of  "righteousness " Ouch
Off topic Whale. Start a new thread asking that question



not off topic at all, related to this thread. Don't roam this forum telling people where to post clown
Apologies Whale - fair comment.
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