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You would wonder how bushfire arsonists ever get caught. In the middle of the Woop Woop State forest. Nobody within miles.
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Originally posted by acacia alba acacia alba wrote:

I say dont bother arresting these people.  Just turn them around and march them at gun point right back into the fire they have lit, and shoot them if they try to get out.
The world has no use for people like these.

 A shame there aren't more like the man who drove a truckload of new clothes up to the relief centres in Victoria...or the Sikh Volunteers Australia, who are donating hot meals for those displaced people...
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Do not know about in NSW, but in Victoria the Andrews government has become dependent on the Greens preferences and as a consequence .....
A.the wiped out of the mountain cattlemen, resulting in cattle no longer grazing in the highlands
B.almost eliminated  the logging industry felling trees for timber for building houses. The timber mills not only replanted new trees but built tracks into the forests that firefighters once used to get to the bush fires.
C.the Andrews government, under pressure from the Greens, is proposing to cull brumbies in the high country.

All of the above combined to and will reduce the undergrowth that is now fueling bush fires 


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Well, the fires are into the high country now , so they will wipe out some of those 19 thousand brumbies the greens claim are in the Kosi Park.Wacko Not sure how the Pitt Street Pollies worked that number out, as cant imagine them up their in the chinos and loafers, brumby counting.  Ot maybe they get someone else to count the poo drops and multiply it by 4 ?
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The good people do far outweigh the bad, thats for sure.
But I dont know wht they even bother doing court and all the rest of it, with arsonists. 
I think some that get caught are seen,  or photoed,  and dobbed in. 
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Originally posted by Baghdad Bob Baghdad Bob wrote:

Do not know about in NSW, but in Victoria the Andrews government has become dependent on the Greens preferences and as a consequence .....UTTER RUBBISH.  LABOR HAS AN ABSOLUTE MAJORITY IN THE LOWER HOUSE.  IT IS THREE SHORT OF AN ABSOLUTE MAJORITY IN THE UPPER HOUSE WHERE THERE ARE 11 INDEPENDENT/MINOR REPRESENTATIVES, ONLY ONE OF WHOM IS A GREENS MEMBER.  YOU DON'T KNOW JACK SHYT.  
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Originally posted by Run For Fun Run For Fun wrote:

We're ok near Wangaratta at the moment, though you can't see 60m for the dust and smoke.  Lost iron from two shelters yesterday during high winds and mares and foals were lucky not to get hit.  We secured the structures for about 45 mins in ambient temps over 50 degrees and were totally stuffed by the time we finished.  And too hot to even contemplate a beer afterwards. 
 

Others not so lucky.  Sister and hubby live just south of Kinglake.  Four friends have lost their lives whilst another couple spent last night with Jen after their house was destroyed.  They themselves are now in some danger and if it gets really nasty will be evacuating rather than seeking to protect their property.

 

 


    More than 10 years ago this one , so the cycle for another disaster was due .
Only gets worse with lots more people populating these high risk areas.
Terrible ordeal for so many .

Most of us powerless to help, apart from some donations to aid the cause .

    We still have 3 months of Summer to face so God knows what these people have to face.
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So let me get this straight, Rightards - if your decisions are influenced by someone else, but it's your decision, you don't accept full responsibility for the decision. Is that how you conduct your own affairs.
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The buck stops with the Greens. The Greens - anywhere but here.
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Originally posted by Second Chance Second Chance wrote:

Originally posted by Baghdad Bob Baghdad Bob wrote:

Do not know about in NSW, but in Victoria the Andrews government has become dependent on the Greens preferencess and as a consequence .....UTTER RUBBISH.  LABOR HAS AN ABSOLUTE MAJORITY IN THE LOWER HOUSE.  IT IS THREE SHORT OF AN ABSOLUTE MAJORITY IN THE UPPER HOUSE WHERE THERE ARE 11 INDEPENDENT/MINOR REPRESENTATIVES, ONLY ONE OF WHOM IS A GREENS MEMBER.  YOU DON'T KNOW JACK SHYT.  
Did you actually read what I wrote ?
Green preferences get the ALP into government. SC, there is a difference between preferences on election day and votes in the house.



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I'd say I'm surprised at how quickly this turned into a left v right thread but I'm not. Spend more time focusing on the important gelati right now.
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Seems every subject on here quickly becomes a place for everyone to beat their political drum lately.
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Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:


thank you, PT...I gave it three goes before throwing in the towel. 
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The same fcuk knuckles in the ALP/Greens and their biased left leaning media are calling for a "Royal Commission" because of the "Unprecedented ... Rrrrrreeeeee!!!" bushfires.

Yep and when they conducted the Royal Commission after the 2009 Victorian Fires, what were the recommendations?

* The Commission recognises that prescribed burning is risky, resource intensive, available only in limited time frames, and can temporarily have adverse effects on local communities (for example, reduced air quality). Nonetheless, it considers that the amount of prescribed burning occurring in Victoria is inadequate

* An additional fire rating beyond "Extreme"



So, which one did Daniel Andrews file in the bottom draw?

Hint ... the fire danger was "CATASTROPHIC ... Rrrrrrrreeeeeee!!!"Cry, but the State Forests remain locked up and Green Activists who successfully stop fuel reduction burns cop a slap on the wrist ...

Well done Greenie Dan!! ... I think they call that MANSLAUGHTER.Clap

When tf will you dopey Mexicans stop voting for him, and lynch this fraud?Embarrassed




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Genuine, reciprocated handshakes.  

Unlike the lardass who followed a forced handshake by clearly turning his back on unwilling recipient who shock horror began to query the National response.  No apologies for this comment, as our PM's responses to the devastation show him up for what he is: a totally brilliant communicator but essentially a straw man.
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Originally posted by Baghdad Bob Baghdad Bob wrote:

Do not know about in NSW, but in Victoria the Andrews government has become dependent on the Greens preferences and as a consequence .....
A.the wiped out of the mountain cattlemen, resulting in cattle no longer grazing in the highlands
B.almost eliminated  the logging industry felling trees for timber for building houses. The timber mills not only replanted new trees but built tracks into the forests that firefighters once used to get to the bush fires.
C.the Andrews government, under pressure from the Greens, is proposing to cull brumbies in the high country.

All of the above combined to and will reduce the undergrowth that is now fueling bush fires 



Clap ... have a read of the 2009 Vic Bushfire "Royal Commission" ... the idiots are all calling for another one!Confused

It says that "fuel reduction is inadequate" and that they needed a "fire condition warning above 'Emergency'". 

... and the HYSTERICAL Greenies got their way with "CATASTROPHIC" fire warnings, and the National Parks got locked up.

but, but, but, the Greens are not in Government, are they Dan!!!Embarrassed
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Will Daniel Andrews be up on Manslaughter charges after this ... or do you think he has shaken hands with enough minority groups to make him safe in Victoriastan?

Will Albo come to the rescue and have himself photoshopped into the picture, making a sandwich? ... better still, maybe he could actually make a sandwich for someone who is making a difference - like ScoMo!

Forget the Fake Climate Alarm, the virtue signalling ALP/Greens are the most toxic fraud and dangerous thing ever imposed on our economy and our environment.

These "UNPRECEDENTED" bushfires are all their fault.

We sure did dodge a bullet in May.

How good? ScoMo is VERY good!Hug
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Doc now clearly many lengths ahead of Bob in the "bullshyt baiting totally nonsensical post of the year" award.Clap
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Originally posted by Second Chance Second Chance wrote:

Doc now clearly many lengths ahead of Bob in the "bullshyt baiting totally nonsensical post of the year" award.Clap

It's wide open folks!!!Star

You find it such a challenge to believe anything that Greta or PT didn't say, anybody could potentially win this award by posting literally anything!!LOLLOLLOL





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WTF!

Doc actually providing a link that’s actually on topic AND from a reputable source.

Someone hack his account?
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Thanks Rusty and Doc for reminding us of the Report following the disastrous fires 10 years ago now.  That's why the following article is now so timely and prescient: 

Andrews has spent years preparing for this crisis. And it shows

By Noel Towell

Daniel Andrews has long feared that these days would come.

The Premier has been both dreading this crisis and preparing for it for 11 years.

It’s bad, very bad and it could get worse.

We’re only halfway, at best, through this emergency and already the human toll of these fires looks grim, with two confirmed dead at the time of writing and grave fears held for the safety of the 28 people “unaccounted for”.

But it is no Black Saturday, which killed 173 people and with serious failings later uncovered in the state’s preparation and response.

Andrews, whose ability to learn from mistakes is formidable, was a senior minister in February 2009 and the horror of those fires has stayed with him.

There’s no doubting his determination to prevent another Black Saturday.

The Premier and his colleagues endured political misery for their efforts to reform the fire services amid constant claims the Labor government was “destroying” the Country Fire Authority.

But the CFA has looked anything but a destroyed organisation in recent days.

The volunteers have been magnificent, as always but their commanders have looked well-organised, competent and calm. It has been an effective effort. So far.

Andrews certainly thinks so, feeling confident enough to declare on Friday that the most contentious of his reforms, the merging of the CFA with the Melbourne Fire Brigade, has clicked in this emergency.

There’s another big difference this time. The “leave now” message could not be further removed from the “stay or go” advice that proved so disastrous in February 2009.

The simple message, delivered in tough language, looks to have worked in moving people out of the danger zones in large numbers.

It’s too early to say how history will judge the Andrews government for its response to this crisis. Failures of strategy and tactics often only emerge in the days and weeks after the smoke has cleared, just like they did after Black Saturday.

But leadership matters too and in that respect Andrews is giving a lesson to his mate Prime Minister Scott Morrison whose response at times has been hard to look at.

The Premier was back from his holiday promptly on Monday night, as the first reports of property loss began to emerge, being briefed at the State Control Centre, and he fronted the media the next day.

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There was no hesitation from Andrews in asking Morrison for military assistance or to get out to the fire grounds; he showed up and he kept showing up.

Nobody on Spring Street can remember a leader dragging the media to a conference at nearly 11 o’clock at night as the Premier did on Thursday to declare the sweeping State of Disaster powers, another post-Black Saturday innovation.

Nor has Andrews had the media criticism over his response that Morrison has copped since the infamous Hawaii episode and if social media is any guide, people are finding in the Premier the leadership they believe is lacking elsewhere.

But Andrews’ sure-footed effort shouldn’t come as a surprise; he’s been planning it for years.
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LOLNew Years Resolution rusty ... naaaah! 

It is quite a depressing read in fact ... the green activist bureaucrats and "advisers" were clearly more interested in getting an "amp that goes up to 11", than stopping the fire threat ... and Dan did their dirty work ... crazy stuff, and proves again - we need a Royal Commission into Royal Commissions!Dead
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SC, you notice that there is NO MENTION OF PREVENTION ... just how to make sure he is filmed presiding over a "CATASTROPHE" reather than a mere "emergency" ... and that he can blame Climate Change and the indigenous communitoies have access to a fire app fiddlesticks ...

Dan is guilty of willful criminal negligence in my opinion ... he locked the bush up after being told that they needed to do much more backburning ... and the people who have lost property or worse their lives have one person to blame ... and it's not Izzy.
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SC, you have gone to ground once I pointed out to you preferences were only applicable in an election and not about voting in the Houses of Parliament,
It appears you, not I, as you inferred, that knows Jack all about preferences as distinct from voting in parliament.
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Originally posted by Baghdad Bob Baghdad Bob wrote:

SC, you have gone to ground once I pointed out to you preferences were only applicable in an election and not about voting in the Houses of Parliament,
It appears you, not I, as you inferred, that knows Jack all about preferences as distinct from voting in parliament.

Again you talk absolute nonsense as Labor did rely on Greens preferences to form Government at the last two elections.  Indeed Labor publicly distanced itself from the Greens prior to the most recent election.

As it transpired the Greens polled poorly, managing only three in the Lower House.  Labor would have won a clear majority in the Lower House had not a single Greens preference vote gone to Labor.

PartyPrimary votes%SwingSeatsChange
 Labor1,506,46742.86+4.7755+8
 Liberal1,069,14630.42−6.0421−9
 Greens376,70410.72−0.763+1*
 National167,6254.77−0.766−2

Distribution of seats[edit]

PartySeats held
 Labor55
Liberal/National Coalition(27)
  Liberal21
 National6
 Greens3
 Independent3
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You just talk in an uninformed manner without any facts whatsoever, and that's a fact.
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Greens blame Labor attacks and preference deals for disappointing Victorian election

This article is more than 1 year old

Amid huge swings to Daniel Andrews’ government, the Greens could see party room cut in half when parliament returns

http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/nov/25/greens-blame-labor-attacks-and-preference-deals-for-disappointing-victorian-election

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Government rejected major air-tanker expansion

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The nation's aerial firefighting centre called four years ago for a "national large air-tanker" fleet to confront a growing bushfire threat but was turned down in a federal government ruling that the task was one for the states.

The National Aerial Firefighting Centre, which oversees a fleet of 145 aircraft, warned of hotter and more extended bushfire seasons in a call on governments in May 2016 to establish the major new capability.
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