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Just had one place over 900m in a Maiden at Mt Gambier - who on paper looks like she would want further.

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ROSAFIORENTINA (AUS)Chestnut filly 2015 
Fiorente
Brown 2008
Monsun
Bay or brown 1990
Konigsstuhl
Brown 1976
Dschingis Khan
Brown 1961
Tamerlane
Donna Diana
1952
1956
1-e
6-e
Konigskronung
Brown 1965
Tiepoletto
Kronung
1956
1957
2-c
5-h
Mosella
Bay 1985
Surumu
Chestnut 1974
Literat
Surama
1965
1970
7-b
19>
Monasia
Bay 1979
Authi
Monacensia
1970
1969
14-b
8-a
Desert Bloom
Bay 2000
Pilsudski
Bay 1992
Polish Precedent
Bay 1986
Danzig
Past Example
1977
1976
7-a
8-h
Cocotte
Bay 1983
Troy
Gay Milly
1976
1977
1-b
11>
Desert Beauty
Bay 1994
Green Desert
Bay 1983
Danzig
Foreign Courier
1977
1979
7-a
A4
Hellenic
Bay 1987
Darshaan
Grecian Sea
1981
1978
13-c
5-h
Rosestroem
Chestnut 2007
Elvstroem
Bay 2000
Danehill
Bay 1986
Danzig
Bay 1977
Northern Dancer
Pas de Nom
1961
1968
2-d
7-a
Razyana
Bay 1981
His Majesty
Spring Adieu
1968
1974
4-d
2-d
Circles of Gold
Chestnut 1991
Marscay
Chestnut 1979
Biscay
Heart of Market
1965
1967
2-o
4-m
Olympic Aim
Chestnut 1983
Zamazaan
Gold Vink
1965
1966
7>
22-b
Call to Duty
Bay 1996
Dehere
Bay 1991
Deputy Minister
Bay or brown 1979
Vice Regent
Mint Copy
1967
1970
10-c
10-a
Sister Dot
Bay 1985
Secretariat
Sword Game
1970
1976
2-s
2-o
Draft
Chestnut 1989
Marauding
Bay 1984
Sir Tristram
Biscalowe
1971
1979
6-e
4-i
Shackle
Brown 1983
Luskin Star
Impede
1974
1975
2-e
2-r
 Ancestor duplications:Danzig5m,5m x 4m




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Te Rapa race 4 Saturday first starter Floraison, 3yo filly Fiorente - Aseena.
Linebred to what may prove to be one of his stronger lines.
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FLORAISON (AUS)Grey filly 2015 
Fiorente
Brown 2008
Monsun
Bay or brown 1990
Konigsstuhl
Brown 1976
Dschingis Khan
Brown 1961
Tamerlane
Donna Diana
1952
1956
1-e
6-e
Konigskronung
Brown 1965
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Kronung
1956
1957
2-c
5-h
Mosella
Bay 1985
Surumu
Chestnut 1974
Literat
Surama
1965
1970
7-b
19>
Monasia
Bay 1979
Authi
Monacensia
1970
1969
14-b
8-a
Desert Bloom
Bay 2000
Pilsudski
Bay 1992
Polish Precedent
Bay 1986
Danzig
Past Example
1977
1976
7-a
8-h
Cocotte
Bay 1983
Troy
Gay Milly
1976
1977
1-b
11>
Desert Beauty
Bay 1994
Green Desert
Bay 1983
Danzig
Foreign Courier
1977
1979
7-a
A4
Hellenic
Bay 1987
Darshaan
Grecian Sea
1981
1978
13-c
5-h
Aseena
Bay 2006
Verglas
Grey 1994
Highest Honor
Grey 1983
Kenmare
Grey 1975
Kalamoun
Belle of Ireland
1970
1964
9-c
1-m
High River
Bay 1978
Riverman
Hairbrush
1969
1970
10-a
10-c
Rahaam
Grey 1987
Secreto
Bay 1981
Northern Dancer
Betty's Secret
1961
1977
2-d
4-d
Fager's Glory
Grey 1976
Mr Prospector
Street's Glory
1970
1972
13-c
3-d
Pop Alliance
Bay 2000
Entrepreneur
Bay 1994
Sadler's Wells
Bay 1981
Northern Dancer
Fairy Bridge
1961
1975
2-d
5-h
Exclusive Order
Chestnut 1979
Exclusive Native
Bonavista
1965
1964
10-a
6-e
Madonna Sprite
Brown 1985
Saint Cyrien
Bay 1980
Luthier
Sevres
1965
1974
14-c
5-h
Frenetique
Bay or brown 1973
Tyrant
Femina
1966
1967
2-i
16-g
 Ancestor duplications:Danzig5m,5m x Northern Dancerx 5m,5m




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Not sure what to make of this bloke. Don't want to knock him yet but he is struggling to get 30% w:r and barely has more than a handful of city winners. I wouldn't be enthusiastic in spending $25K this year .$10K last year was much more palatable.
Perhaps we have to wait until he has had 2 crops of 4y.o.'s complete their seasons
His best two horses are full brothers. Their close relation Little Phoenix is struggling, but he doesn't have EDL in his pedigree
Is it the Star Way line in EDL that is the conduit . Gives a cross of Neckar & thus makes 3lines of TICINO
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From earlier this year:

[QUOTE=Second Chance]  Have looked up a lot of his mares and believe me more than a few have been extremely ordinary. ] /QUOTE]
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Well our racing need speed.  But if you have a decent Encosta de Lago or Sadler's Well's line mare with that speed go for it.  The bad percentage for staying type stallions is always going to happen here.  We have 99% races 1600 and below.  So speed is essential for the mare.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote crooked_gambler Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Sep 2019 at 11:34am
He has one over in SA with a bit of a wrap on him
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This won't help his cause, thanks to Skydancer in another thread:

May 2019
Lindsay Park co-trainer David Hayes lamented the sale of a potential star to Hong Kong.

Group II winner Hawkshot will do his racing under the care of champion Hong Kong trainer John Size next season after Sun Bloodstock sold the three-year-old for an undisclosed sum.

Hayes said Hawkshot, a son of the Melbourne Cup winner Fiorente, was far from the finished article but would have been one of the stable’s best performers in his four-year-old season.

“I’m disappointed about it,” Hayes, who trained Hawkshot in partnership with his son Ben and nephew Tom Dabernig, said.

“I was really excited about training him for next year, because I thought he would be my weight-for-age horse.

“He was placed in the (Australian) Guineas, won the Autumn Stakes, didn’t go to Sydney to be spelled and looked magnificent.”

Hayes said Hawkshot’s previous owner, the Sun Bloodstock operation, must have received a “ridiculous” offer to part with the winner of three of 10 starts.

“He was raw and he would have been ready to show his best in the spring,” Hayes said.

“He’ll be a big loss to the stable because he’s a very exciting horse.”
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Really nice boost for Fiorente today.

Hawkshot, who races as Beauty Legacy, made a winning debut in Hong Kong for John Size with Moreira on board. I'd been following his trials and he was looking great. 

He will be up in the Derby markets now. This could/should be the horse to put Fiorente's name up in lights. Fiorente has had a quiet patch the last 6-9 months. Tough stretch for a young staying sire who served some ordinary books.

He has 8 in the Melb Premier Sale. 4 in the Top session and 4 in the Showcase session.

I hope he can push on from here, he was a super racehorse, beautiful blood, and a ripper type. I'm a fan, but it is a tough tough market.
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Awesome ride by Joe on Hawkshot.
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I've been looking at the very interesting pedigree owned by Sun Stud's Melbourne Cup hero Fiorente - son of the great Monsun from the prolific Simon's Shoes family.
Simon's Shoes is a descendant of Shepherdess, also ancestress of the German mare Kaiserwurde to whom Monsun is line-bred 5 X 5. Shepherdess' third dam Miss West also features in Monsun via the Prix de la Salamandre winner Blue Skies

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What a fascinating pedigree Monsun, sire of Sun Stud's Fiorente has - aside from his 5 X 5 cross of Kaiserwurde, he is 7 X 7 Friar's Daughter and 7 X 6 Aversion - the latter is the grandam of Arjaman who appears three times in both Monsun's sire and dam. This is the Maid Of Masham family which also appears in Monsun via Burgeff, Alchimist, Aditi, Graf Isolani, Allgau and Asterus - whilst Arbar is in Fiorente's dam.


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Originally posted by Gay3 Gay3 wrote:

........I've been looking at the very interesting pedigree owned by Sun Stud's Melbourne Cup hero Fiorente - son of the great Monsun from the prolific Simon's Shoes family.
is a descendant of Shepherdess, also ancestress of the German mare Kaiserwurde to whom Monsun is line-bred 5 X 5. Shepherdess' third dam Miss West also features in Monsun via the Prix de la Salamandre winner Blue Skies


Both Fiorente and his Grandsire Konigsstuhl are Family 5h, they have different stains of 5h and none of them have the carry the "Rough Shod" branches in their pedigrees. This is where EDL(Fairy King) comes to play here and I believe this is the key to Fiorente's initial success. If you look at Monsun's Melbourne Cup winners barring Fiorente, they all carry either Nureyev, Sadlers Wells or both in their pedigrees.

I think Sun Stud need to be more aggressive in attracting more mares with these stallions in their pedigrees.
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We have named our Fiorente x Carlaxna now gelding 3yo, He is called ' Seamus Son', Husbands choice, the Two Irish parents and the same name as his Grandson Seamus, so there we are.
He is broken in, had a spell, had a conditioning prep at home on the treadmill, had another break and soon we'll be sending him off for a refresher with a breaker then into work.

He is very beautiful like his sire.
SC we should get the band back together, where are the Village people!
I intend leasing out a few small shares.
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Well I wish you all the best Gaj with this young fella and those close to you too. Wink
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all the best Gaj. a great thrill when you get them there. Cheers Slowdown
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GAJ's fellow is by multiple Gp1 winner and successful sire Fiorente, from a mare who's has had three to race here for two winners and is herself sibling to an international Gp1 winner..

So why not send a PM to GAJ and enquire about leasing a small share.  I certainly will be.
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nice Gaj. all the best
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By gee he appears a real good type GAJ.
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Thanks, he is a good sort, considering he is just three days out of the paddock here, a quick tub, trim and grooming!
Late in the day and he was on the toe, so couldn't get the perfect shots.
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A good looking lad, indeed! Please keep us updated GAJ 
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