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It not always laziness that prevents people voter Voter suppression is a major problem. 

When in Republican states they reduce the number of booths from hundreds to tens or have the only booths in small towns 20 miles out of town, it is poor people dis-proportionally effected.

Also having voting on a Tuesday means a lot of poorer working class people cant afford to take time off work to vote.

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Third degree murder doesn't require intent to kill.

Your correct, technically,     Differs so much in different States where its described by some as Voluntary manslaughter.
The more I see of this case, the more I doubt conviction on anything major.
Police are there to apprehend offenders and the day they discourage them from getting physically involved ,   will mean a much more dangerous society. This offender has a bad track record and that's always considered.
We have Women Police here, who aren't well accepted, and as useful as a tit on a bull. I've had Police tell me they just fill in a day and avoid getting involved in any physical combat = Let em go or the "Girl" gets hurt.
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I am talking specifically Minnesota maxie. They charged him specifically with that initially because it is a no-brainer in this case. AG Keith Ellison is now exploring upgrading to a higher grade now that he has taken over the case from the county prosecutor. Will announce any new charges plus the fate of the other accomplices early next week.

Will hopefully diffuse a lot of tension.
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Originally posted by furious furious wrote:

The scary thing is this is even something that must be trained - they call it the carotid artery hold.  With something that important to the brain one whould wonder just how much damage this has done to people.  Not just these four police have to be aware of this hold.  So retraining seems to be needed and different people put in charge of training.<div id="UMS_TOOLTIP" style=": ; cursor: pointer; : 2147483647; : transparent; top: -100000px; left: -100000px;">

Yeah I've read that too. Supposedly it is good for immobilising people because it gives the sensation of not being able to breathe, but you still can. Used in martial arts etc. It's pressure on the artery to cut off blood and daze someone - but not any pressure on the windpipe. My guess is that it's taught/ used but is not meant to be done for 8 minutes straight, especially if someone has gone limp 3 mins ago!
It seems most likely he died of a cardiac event caused by a combunation of a history of heart problems, intoxicants and the trauma of the incident. The first autopsy seemed biased (to me) toward protecting the cops and the second seems biased the other way. I haven't watched more than a few seconds of the video because I don't like watching someone die, but I certainly don't believe the argument of "just watch the video and you'll see him being strangled to death."

Not the point of the protests any way, but facts should matter, and it's probably not the last we'll hear of exactly how he died.

    A deadly hold when perfected in the martial arts.( This Policeman didn't use it)
Banned in most areas these days. very effective & dangerous ,unless pressure released. The victim is helpless in quick time.

The thumb knuckles into the carotids , in a strangle type front on position, hands around neck, left foot forward in boxing stance, Unconscious in 10/20 seconds approx . and susceptible to a head butt , by pulling head forward to contact attackers forehead about nose area . Also open to back of head being smashed into wall , pole, structure.

NOW don't mess with me .I'm a walking tank.   
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I have not read one little thing about this thread here.

I know who started it. I know this is going to be an ugly thread.

And I know who the teams will be.

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Traffic lights.

Coffee cups.

Grass.

Is that more your style, D?
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It won't be nasty.     We are all experienced in life and know the do's and dont's .   If Not we tow the line when reminded.
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Apart from that --- Peaceful and Co Existence reigns .

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Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

It not always laziness that prevents people voter Voter suppression is a major problem. 

When in Republican states they reduce the number of booths from hundreds to tens or have the only booths in small towns 20 miles out of town, it is poor people dis-proportionally effected.

Also having voting on a Tuesday means a lot of poorer working class people cant afford to take time off work to vote.

Major reform is needed 



PT, that excuse etc about why no voting is just total rubbish... You forget, I lived in Tennessee for almost 8 years.   In a city, where most black people couldnt shift their arse to vote, with no excuse about not being able to.
Come to it, many white people couldnt shift their arse to vote, either. 
You dream up all the reasons and excuses you like, but it all boils down to total BS.  You cant preach to someone who lived  "the dream " and saw what went on.  Try all you like .
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Gees djebel .. We didn't scare anyone off.... No one has been nasty ..

   Couldn't get a fight at the stadium with these Lefties.

Marble must have been sent to bed early ..
Afros has jumped ship.     AHHHH well an early night.
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Originally posted by acacia alba acacia alba wrote:

Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

It not always laziness that prevents people voter Voter suppression is a major problem. 

When in Republican states they reduce the number of booths from hundreds to tens or have the only booths in small towns 20 miles out of town, it is poor people dis-proportionally effected.

Also having voting on a Tuesday means a lot of poorer working class people cant afford to take time off work to vote.

Major reform is needed 



PT, that excuse etc about why no voting is just total rubbish... You forget, I lived in Tennessee for almost 8 years.   In a city, where most black people couldnt shift their arse to vote, with no excuse about not being able to.
Come to it, many white people couldnt shift their arse to vote, either. 
You dream up all the reasons and excuses you like, but it all boils down to total BS.  You cant preach to someone who lived  "the dream " and saw what went on.  Try all you like .

Yet what PT said is 100% true.

Whether people like the excuse or not what PT said is true. Massive reform needs to happen.


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Originally posted by acacia alba acacia alba wrote:

Originally posted by Dr E Dr E wrote:

Originally posted by max manewer max manewer wrote:

It is only when things change in people's hearts, that "change is coming to America", as Obama spruiked.

Why are all of the poor, oppressed, violent, rioting, looting black people living in Democrat Governed States and Cities, often run by WEALTHY Black Career Public Servants? ... oh that's right ... Socialism!Thumbs Up 


No.  Not at all.   Its because they cant shift their arse and go vote.

... but they vote 97% Democrat aa ... why indeed??? 

NOTHING got better for blacks under 8 years of Obama.

You are 100% right in saying they can't shift their asses - they are all "stuck" in Democrat Poverty - the reasons are explained in the article below!

... and then the fake news media blames Trump for all their problems!Confused

This is real eye opener and explains it well!Clap 

Written by a well respected black economist and academic Thomas Sowell ...

In reference to every post in the Trump thread ... "There may have been a tiny bit of license taken there" ... Ok, Thanks for the "heads up" PT!
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Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

Originally posted by acacia alba acacia alba wrote:

Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

It not always laziness that prevents people voter Voter suppression is a major problem. 

When in Republican states they reduce the number of booths from hundreds to tens or have the only booths in small towns 20 miles out of town, it is poor people dis-proportionally effected.

Also having voting on a Tuesday means a lot of poorer working class people cant afford to take time off work to vote.

Major reform is needed 



PT, that excuse etc about why no voting is just total rubbish... You forget, I lived in Tennessee for almost 8 years.   In a city, where most black people couldnt shift their arse to vote, with no excuse about not being able to.
Come to it, many white people couldnt shift their arse to vote, either. 
You dream up all the reasons and excuses you like, but it all boils down to total BS.  You cant preach to someone who lived  "the dream " and saw what went on.  Try all you like .

Yet what PT said is 100% true.

Whether people like the excuse or not what PT said is true. Massive reform needs to happen.



Democrats lie djebel, and PT just repeats their lies ... see the previous post and the article by Thomas Sowell.

... and try to understand the statistics - they don't lie!

The greatest threat to the life of a black person on the streets of America is another black person!Dead

George Floyd riots: The myth of systemic police racism in US


In reference to every post in the Trump thread ... "There may have been a tiny bit of license taken there" ... Ok, Thanks for the "heads up" PT!
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More than 1,000 US polling sites closed since supreme court ruling, report finds

This article is more than 8 months old

Voter suppression in the United States


Mar 2, 2020 - Last year, Texas led the US south in an unenviable statistic: closing down the most polling stations, making it more difficult for people to vote
Sep 9, 2019 - States across the American South have closed nearly 1200 polling places ... to figures compiled by the U.S. Election Assistance Commission
Mar 16, 2020 - The U.S. Commission on Civil Rights, a bipartisan independent study group started in 1957, found that states claimed polling-place closures .
Oct 26, 2018 - Reasons for the closures vary, and in some cases are the result of expanded ... to the Election Assistance Commission by local authorities fell by nearly 3,000, from ... White Americans, your lack of imagination is killing us.

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May 20, 2020 - On Wednesday morning, Mr Trump, a staunch critic of postal voting, said ... “I will ask to hold up funding to Michigan if they want to go down this ...

May 21, 2020 - Trump is also upset about absentee voting in Nevada. "State of Nevada 'thinks' that they can send out illegal vote by mail ballots, creating a great ...

Apr 8, 2020 - Donald Trump again urged Republicans on Wednesday to oppose efforts to expand voting by mail, falsely suggesting it would lead to ...
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Meanwhile in an egregious case of attempted voter fraud.

Breaking via WaPo: President Trump tried to register to vote in Florida using an out-of-state address.

Trump Tried To Register To Vote In Florida Using D.C. Address, Report Says

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Originally posted by acacia alba acacia alba wrote:

Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

It not always laziness that prevents people voter Voter suppression is a major problem. 

When in Republican states they reduce the number of booths from hundreds to tens or have the only booths in small towns 20 miles out of town, it is poor people dis-proportionally effected.

Also having voting on a Tuesday means a lot of poorer working class people cant afford to take time off work to vote.

Major reform is needed 



PT, that excuse etc about why no voting is just total rubbish... You forget, I lived in Tennessee for almost 8 years.   In a city, where most black people couldnt shift their arse to vote, with no excuse about not being able to.
Come to it, many white people couldnt shift their arse to vote, either. 
You dream up all the reasons and excuses you like, but it all boils down to total BS.  You cant preach to someone who lived  "the dream " and saw what went on.  Try all you like .

It is not about the people too lazy to vote or choose not to. Lots of white people dont vote in a non compulsory system, maybe even more.  It is about the people who want to vote who are being institutionally prevented from lodging their vote.
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There’s a huge problem in the USA with the way they run their elections . Who originally thought it was a good idea to run elections on a working day for example? As PT says it makes it extremely difficult for working people to exercise their democratic rights . But there also does seem to be a problem with poor black people, or poor people in general, being disconnected from the political process and not registering or voting at all. It’s like they think who runs the country is nothing to do with them or something! We have the same problem here with our indigenous people with the number who actually vote in an election being very low. Even for their own representative bodies where the number of voters is lucky to get over a quarter of those eligible. If all the poor and disadvantaged got involved in the political process and cast their votes in an election we might actually get somewhere towards reform!
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Originally posted by Dr E Dr E wrote:

Originally posted by acacia alba acacia alba wrote:

Originally posted by Dr E Dr E wrote:

Originally posted by max manewer max manewer wrote:

It is only when things change in people's hearts, that "change is coming to America", as Obama spruiked.

Why are all of the poor, oppressed, violent, rioting, looting black people living in Democrat Governed States and Cities, often run by WEALTHY Black Career Public Servants? ... oh that's right ... Socialism!Thumbs Up 


No.  Not at all.   Its because they cant shift their arse and go vote.

... but they vote 97% Democrat aa ... why indeed??? 

NOTHING got better for blacks under 8 years of Obama.

You are 100% right in saying they can't shift their asses - they are all "stuck" in Democrat Poverty - the reasons are explained in the article below!

... and then the fake news media blames Trump for all their problems!Confused

This is real eye opener and explains it well!Clap 

Written by a well respected black economist and academic Thomas Sowell ...


Doc, could you please post that article as I don’t subscribe to the Australian 👍
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Look I don't think any of us can understand what make someone else tick.  Me included.  I was asked for some change yesterday and said no as I didn't want to get my purse out in the street.  But what does that say about me.  He probably needed some help also - white by the way.

Then I still remember when my son was being bullied that one teacher told me that someone always had to be on the bottom and it was him.  Now as her children were always class presidents or school captains she wasn't worried and I think she truly believed it.

But that is what this is.  Both fear - which obviously I suffer from also - and keeping them in their place!  What place.  We should all have the same chance in life but we don't.  And no it's not only colour related.  If you go back to the famine in Ireland you find an awful lot of convicts sent to Australia stole food to feed their family.  Things change - but honestly looking at all the homeless and poverty in the world it makes you wonder why people sometimes can't help themselves.

I've been bullied as a school child and it really leaves you with low self esteem and no self confidence.  So it is easy to back down or fail to go get the job you want or stand up for yourself.  It seems that this is somehow that on a larger scale.  Listening to trump he's seeing the vandalism - which is a minority and not entirely black, white or any other group of people - but failing to see that things have to change.  Out of a job no health insurance.  No health insurance no ambulance or hospital.  

We are so lucky that our government have that in place for many who have nothing.  It seems that the land of the free has a long way to go.  Crime is sometimes just to make yourself rich at the expense of others - ie drug dealers and manufacturers.  Sometimes it is desperation and sometimes just people being the worst they can be.  And if my children were staving what would I do to save them if I had no money or any help to fall back on.

And I do regret showing no courage to help someone who asked for help.  I regret many things in this muddled up life we all live.  I just have to hope I mostly do the right thing.  Just because we don't see something doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
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Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

Meanwhile in an egregious case of attempted voter fraud.

Breaking via WaPo: President Trump tried to register to vote in Florida using an out-of-state address.

Trump Tried To Register To Vote In Florida Using D.C. Address, Report Says


Wow😱

Given you penchant for trawling all the news websites and posting stuff here , this is what grabs your attention 😆😆😆

I would have thought in the name of honest discussion you would have been outraged by the murder of a David Dorn just l8ke you were with Floyd.

Apparently only some black lives matter and we know the reason why💡
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And considering your penchant for trolling me....
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ahh the trolling spectre.
methinks it happens when the heat is on.
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Fair dinkum Isaac LOL
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as many of these politicians , black and white, democrat and republican, are insanely rich, and are seen to be, doesnt help the have nots.

" let them eat cake" and then it was on.
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When some stranger asks you to produce your purse for change Furious , the RED flag has to go up , especially in our world today.

No one should intrude in such a manner. Tthere are shops and Banks to give him all the change he needs.
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It’s like they think who runs the country is nothing to do with them or something!

I've heard plenty of people talk like that, they are incredulous that such stuff impacts them.
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because their world seems so far removed from their own 
or tax benefits dont affect me because im on the dole
or housing benefits dont affect me because i dont own a house.....
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A lot think their drug dealer is their friend, though. You can't really help stupid.
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Minnesota has several degrees of murder that may be charged against a defendant. The state also has other types of laws that involve the unlawful killing of another that do not rise to the murder level.

First-Degree Murder

Like in many other states, Minnesota considers first-degree murder to be the most serious and heinous form of murder. Due to this classification, not all murder charges are filed as first-degree murder. First-degree murder charges in Minnesota have aggravating factors. Sometimes first-degree murder is based on the identity of the victim. For example killing a spouse after continued domestic abuse, killing a child, killing a cop, killing a judge or killing a witness to thwart his or her testimony in another case are often charged as first-degree murder. In other cases, first-degree charges arise due to the defendant’s conduct. For example, the premeditated murder in which the defendant considers, plans or prepares for the killing beforehand or killing someone during a sexual assault, burglary, aggravated robbery, kidnapping, arson or act of terrorism may be charged as a first-degree murder case.

Since Minnesota does not have the death penalty, the harshest punishment for those convicted of first-degree murder is life in prison. An element of the first-degree murder statute is the intent to kill.

Second-Degree Murder

Second-degree murder can be an intentional killing, but it is not as serious as first-degree murder. Second degree murder can be charged when a defendant intentionally kills another human being but the murder is not premediated. Second-degree murder may result when a person kills out of an intense emotional response or impulse. Additionally, killing someone during a drive-by shooting, killing someone during the commission of a crime that is not sexual assault or killing someone unintentionally while intended to inflict great physical harm to a victim for whom an order of protection was obtained can result in second-degree murder charges. Second-degree murder has a maximum penalty of 40 years in prison.

Third-Degree Murder

This murder is not based on having the intent to kill. Third-degree murder is often charged as a depraved heart or mind crime. This charge can arise when a person fires a gun in a crowd without intending to kill anyone, for example. Murder is charged when a person is killed and the defendant has an indifference to the sanctity of human life. This charge may also result if a person sells bad drugs. The maximum penalty for murder is up to 25 years in prison. If the death resulted because of a Schedule I or II drug sale, a fine of up to $40,000 may result.

Voluntary manslaughter

Voluntary manslaughter charges may be imposed rather than murder charges when a defendant commits a murder due to being provoked by an intense emotional response. This is often referred to as a “crime of passion.” Other situations may result in this charge when the defendant unintentionally causes another person’s death because of distributing a Schedule III, IV or V controlled substance. Voluntary manslaughter carries with it a maximum punishment of 15 years imprisonment and fines up to $30,000.

Involuntary Manslaughter

Involuntary manslaughter is essentially a killing based on negligence. For example, mistaking a person as an animal while hunting and shooting him or her. Child neglect that results in death may be charged as involuntary manslaughter. Vehicular homicide in which the negligent operation of a vehicle results in the death of another can also be charged in this way. Maximum penalties for these types of crimes can include up to 10 years in prison and $20,000 in fines.
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Aiding and abetting brings the same result as the crime the principle was charged with, so they are all facing second degree murder, so all 4 facing up to 40 years.

Former Minneapolis Police Officer Derek Chauvin was charged with second-degree murder on Wednesday in the death of George Floyd, and three other former officers who were present during the killing were charged with aiding and abetting murder.
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