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Chauvin's own supervisor who attended the scene following a police killing said yesterday that it was wrong and Chauvin should have stopped when it was clear Floyd was resisting(cause he was dead) and said that Chauvin had omitted to report that he had kneeled on Floyd's neck. In the biz they call that consciousness of guilt.
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*no longer resisting
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oneonesit
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It would seem the fellow went miles too far. However, would there be the same interest if the policeman was black ?
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Yes, and it was the case in the same state a couple of years ago, but you know that.
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So there is no racist overtone to this then ?
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Tlazolteotl
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My defense
would be this: Number one, the knee on the neck -- although we now know
it was wrong -- was [police] policy in Minneapolis. Lt. Richard Zimmerman told the court that kneeling on the neck of a suspect is potentially lethal and there is "absolutely" an obligation to provide medical intervention as soon as necessary. Zimmerman called Chauvin's use of force on Floyd “totally unnecessary." “Holding him down to the ground face down and putting
your knee on the neck for that amount of time, is just uncalled for," he
said. Lt. Richard Zimmerman, the Minneapolis Police Department's most senior officer in years served, testified Friday about the training officers receive. He said he’d been trained on having suspects in the prone position, meaning face down, since 1985. He has never been trained to kneel on the neck of a suspect who is prone – as Floyd was while Chauvin subdued him from above. "That would be the top level of force," said Zimmerman, who also characterized it as potentially lethal danger. "Once a person is in handcuffed, you need to get them out of the prone position as soon as possible because it restricts their breathing," said Zimmerman. "If you're laying on your chest, that's constricting them (breathing muscles) even more." He noted that Minneapolis police officers are trained to abide by their department’s use of force continuum, which involves constantly revaluating and adjusting the level of force used on a person, depending on the threat that’s posed. After a person is in handcuffs, "the threat level goes down all the way," Zimmerman said. |
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I dont know what you are talking about.
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Tlazolteotl
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From the first moment I saw the arrest/murder I could not figure out what Chauvin was trying to accomplish. Was he trying to render Floyd unconsious? With your hands cuffed behind your back you aren't going anywhere. So why the knee on the neck? Chauvin could have rolled him on his side then left him there, gone and smoked a cigar until he calmed down and a paddy wagon arrived, paddy wagon being the appropriate transport for a resisting offender
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On body cam played yesterday from all 3 cops on top of him, 2 were calling on Chauvin to check his pulse as he wasn't moving. Chauvin refused and stayed on his neck another 3 minutes with the paramedics who said he looked dead when they arrived having to ask him to get off.
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Tlazolteotl
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Chauvin's actions look purely vindictive - you've made my job harder than it needs to be so I'm going to make you suffer.
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Wonder if a plea is coming? Only need one dissenting juror to blow it up. They reinstated the lower 3rd degree murder charge last week. It carries 15 year maximum rather than the 20 year sentences of the other charges.
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Tlazolteotl
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The other thing that surprised me was the complete lack of self preservation by Chauvin. I would expect even the worst cop in the world to realise that this is not going to end well for me with the crowd here recording everything. Chauvin even gives racist thuggish cops a bad name - we are stupid.
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Arrogant alright. The cop standing controlling the public was approached by an off duty firie who wanted to render assistance to Floyd to at least take his pulse,. She identified herself and Chau said to her that if she was a Minnesota firefighter she would know not to interfere. We learned yesterday from her boss that fire callouts are actually 80% medical callouts and they have training in initial aid waiting for paramedics.
The 911 dispatcher was watching what was happening on street camera and was so disturbed she called the cops herself.
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Btw, there was history between Chauvin and Floyd. They both worked as security guards at the same nite-club a couple of years ago. Maybe that will be explored next week? A witness who worked at the club and was friends with Floyd had previously given evidence to police of tension created by Chauvin who was described as aggressive. The witness backed off and altered his testimony.
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By the time Chauvin knelt on Floyd's neck, he had already been written up 16 times, including an incident in which he knelt on the back of a handcuffed teenager for 17 minutes. This wasn't a lack of self-preservation, it was the arrogance and impunity of a person who knows that there will be no consequences for his actions. The fact that there's still a large group of people who argue that because Mr. Floyd may (or may not) have been high at the time justifies having a gun pulled on him, being dragged from his vehicle, cuffed, roughly handled, and eventually thrown to the street and pressed to death is mind-boggling. And the implication that Mr. Floyd deserved to die because he was not a squeaky-clean perfect innocent victim is revolting.
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People who called the police/filed reports about what happened to George Floyd: 4 children, including a 9-year-old A 61-year-old man with poor vision A trained professional fighter An off-duty firie A 911 dispatcher An on-duty fire station superintendent Two paramedics It's very, very telling that the fire station supe reported Floyd's death as a murder and that Minneapolis PD sent their homicide detectives to investigate and treat the area as a crime scene. That alone should be proof that a reasonable first responder would have considered Chauvin's behaviour as excessive force, because his peers certainly did.
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Tlazolteotl
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This wasn't a lack of self-preservation, it was the arrogance and
impunity of a person who knows that there will be no consequences for
his actions. Yes but even if you're certain you will get away with it you know it will be a big pain in the arse - paperwork and internal affairs at the very least. |
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So what is his main issue - abuse of power or racism - or both ? The BLM stuff seems to suggest the latter . Is that the case ?
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The main issue is murder.
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That would seem to be the case. So what’s with the BLM stuff. Might have nothing to do with George being black - just a coincidence
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It's a coincidence that only seems to strike black folk.
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No doubt in my mind this was the " get even " by the copper when he saw who it was , the night club issue when it comes up will be interesting , no doubt drug dealing with " who's who " may well be a clincher of hate between these two but at the time of death the victim was mentally shot and violence would have been the last thing he wanted imo.
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Which in itself suggests it was as much personality / abuse of power related than blatant racism. Yet all around the world the incident was instrumental for BLM protests. Which was my attempted point to PT much earlier
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I never said the incident was racial, but the fear is the verdict will be.
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Ok. However having 18 pages of TBV discussion on the case with racial overtones the whole way through would not be helping that sort of conclusion.
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Latest demographics reveal 20% of the Minneapolis population is Black. As of 2019 - 899 Police Officers were employed - 222 (25%) were black. Not too much discrimination in those numbers. Also means 1 in 4 of this blokes colleagues were black
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A black officer Mohamad Noor shot an Australian woman recklessly in the same state Minnesota, and was charged with with similar 2nd and 3rd degree offences. Found guilty he is serving 12.5 years.
Hopefully justice works both ways.
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No matter how they dress it up 1-1 racism is so entrenched that the fact a copper with guns drawn and the victim in a hopeless helpless situation that resulted in death which could Have been avoided is the a Only conclusion the people could see.
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I see blatant abuse of power - not racism. Big difference
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We have different opinions , so be it.
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