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Lee, but for whose military genius the Civil War would have been a brief affair, the North possessing overwhelmingly clear advantages as a combatant, except perhaps in military leadership, agonized over his loyalties, to his state Virginia, and to the nation, such was the thinking of the times, he decided his State's interests had to be primary. If they pull down his statues, they really have lost the plot. But, if any man is to "blame" for the Civil War turning into a prolonged blood-bath, it is he. We might say similar about Lyndon Johnson, and the dreadful Vietnam conflict, but is the Johnson space centre going to be re-named. One sees that do-gooders are blind to the big picture.

I see states as being an irrelevancy, if they cannot secede, provided that is overwhelmingly voted by their inhabitants. Otherwise, it is like marriage, with no possibility of divorce. If you can't leave the union, without bringing military assault, then that is hardly something to celebrate. In the end, one sees that "freedom" has many interpretations.

Passing Through wrote: So there was no civil war? I am sure there were more than one reason for it, but it happened. People took up arms and killed fellow Americans. The losers should have been stricken from history not memorialised as heroes with statues and monuments.

"Fellow Americans" ? That is a narrow way of looking at it, and largely emotive, "fellow humans" is far to be preferred. But don't forget, it was the North that invaded the South. If a state freely enters a federation, why should it be prevented from leaving, freely ? It might as well not exist, as a state, if it cannot. It just becomes an arbitrary administrative division of the "feds", otherwise. I can see why the South fought, other than to retain slavery.

The beginning of the Civil War was all about State Rights , with Lincoln and the North fighting to preserve the Union. That’s why you had abolitionists like Lee fighting for the South and slave owners fighting for the North. It’s interesting that many abolitionists like Lincoln didn’t want the freed slaves in the country . They wanted them returned to Africa and money was raised to do just that . Liberia was the result and I think these days is still a bit of a mess like most Southern Africa countries . I don’t think there are many true heroes to come out of the American Civil War.

You have lost me with your knowledge of History. Fellas

Is there any Statues of Bonking Billy I can go to work on ?

    I see the price for allowing mass immigration is starting to bite BIG.

If it stays up long enough, any statue will eventually cop more sh1t than what the pigeons can muster, such are the fashions and foibles of humanity. I don't expect to see one "erected" (ahem) to Bonking Billy.

The lovely Chloe is a problem I could put up with maxie.

Depends on how we come out of the recession.

Albo is looking decidedly light-weight, from where I'm standing. Write your own ticket.

An anthropologist observed long ago, that the inordinately thick skulls of indigenes, was a result of selection processes at work, in an environment of frequent inter-tribal warfare, and intra-tribal squabbles. But as Fawlty said, whatever you do, don't talk about the "war" !

Passing Through wrote: So there was no civil war? I am sure there were more than one reason for it, but it happened. People took up arms and killed fellow Americans. The losers should have been stricken from history not memorialised as heroes with statues and monuments.

Silly comment. What is the difference in being a patriot to a state, and the country it is part of ?

max manewer wrote: Passing Through wrote: So there was no civil war? I am sure there were more than one reason for it, but it happened. People took up arms and killed fellow Americans. The losers should have been stricken from history not memorialised as heroes with statues and monuments. Silly comment. What is the difference in being a patriot to a state, and the country it is part of ?

Renaming of Military installations and removal of monuments is a Republican proposed Bill. Trump is the only person opposing it.This will be a big issue.

Is it favoured in those states ?

Very good video djebel.