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Originally posted by Tlazolteotl Tlazolteotl wrote:

Originally posted by pnclick pnclick wrote:

Full brother goes around tmrw in Race 4 at The Farm, OMAR. Breeder retained and finished last on debut, then subsequently gelded. Personally cannot see the reason for the 2.8m, the pedigree doesn't seem to jump off the page, must have been rated a cracking type.... Seems a number of industry figures have joined forces and thought they'd buy a "cracking" type and any price. 


Must have been at least two competing parties to reach that opinion. Who was the underbiddder?

Exactly, would love to find out the underbidder, Daniel Maxwell may have returned or Maybe Sangster was floating around, only to disappear as soon as bidding finished....
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Not sure if this qualifies as an expensive flop, given the horse hasn’t raced yet.

But doing the form for Kembla Grange today & noticed a horse called Lambardi making his debut in Race 5, a 1400m maiden.

Was a $1.1m yearling by Fastnet Rock.  Had 7 trials for Chris Waller, then sold in August for $100k and transferred to a Kembla based trainer Brad Lazzarini.

The Inglis digital listing in August was:

A regally bred colt who was a $1.1 million yearling, the unraced three-year-old Lambardi is being sold to dissolve a syndicate. 

Currently spelling at Limitless Lodge, the syndicate is selling as the trainer has advised that this colt should be gelded for him to reach his full potential and the ownership group is only interested in racing stallion prospects.
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Well gelding might help Foxseal, and he clearly needs some assistance.  Wink


T 5th of 7RHIL 14Nov19 900m Good4 2YC&G-BT $000 James McDonald 0kg Barrier 0
1st Volterra 0kg, 2nd Genjiro 0kg 0:56.73 (600m 35.90), 2.1L
T 5th of 7RHIL 28Jan20 900m Soft6 2YC&G-BT $000 James McDonald 0kg Barrier 0
1st Much Much Better 0kg, 2nd Shodo Shima 0kg 0:54.39 (600m 34.90), 2.3L
T 7th of 8RHIL 06Apr20 900m Heavy8 2YC&G-BT $000 James McDonald 0kg Barrier 0
1st Pyrmont 0kg, 2nd Yangtze Rapids 0kg 0:55.80 (600m 35.81), 4.4L
T 8th of 9RHIL 20Apr20 900m Soft5 2YC&G-BT $000 James McDonald 0kg Barrier 0
1st Lucky To Win 0kg, 2nd Rogue Rocker 0kg 0:54.03 (600m 34.40), 8.8L
T 5th of 7RHIL 17Jul20 900m Heavy8 2YC&G-BT $000 Brenton Avdulla 0kg Barrier 0
1st Muruntau 0kg, 2nd Game Theory 0kg 0:56.41 (600m 35.75), 4.9L
T 7th of 9RHIL 04Aug20 1030m Heavy8 MDN-BT $000 Brenton Avdulla 0kg Barrier 0
1st Rousseau 0kg, 2nd Game Theory 0kg 1:04.01 (600m 36.64), 6.5L
  
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still listed as a colt on RNSW website
Interesting to see how he goes today 
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2000m first up might be more of a help.

LAMBARDI (AUS)Bay colt 2017 
Fastnet Rock
Bay 2001		Danehill
Bay 1986		Danzig
Bay 1977		Northern Dancer
Bay 1961		Nearctic
Natalma		1954
1957		14-c
2-d
Pas de Nom
Bay or brown 1968		Admiral's Voyage
Petitioner		1959
1952		4-n
7-a
Razyana
Bay 1981		His Majesty
Bay 1968		Ribot
Flower Bowl		1952
1952		4-l
4-d
Spring Adieu
Bay 1974		Buckpasser
Natalma		1963
1957		1-s
2-d
Piccadilly Circus
Bay 1995		Royal Academy
Bay 1987		Nijinsky
Bay 1967		Northern Dancer
Flaming Page		1961
1959		2-d
8-f
Crimson Saint
Chestnut 1969		Crimson Satan
Bolero Rose		1959
1958		26>
8-c
Gatana
Bay 1989		Marauding
Bay 1984		Sir Tristram
Biscalowe		1971
1979		6-e
4-i
Twigalae
Bay 1979		Twig Moss
Hondalae		1973
1968		1-k
2-f
Ballet Suite
Bay 2011		High Chaparral
Bay 1999		Sadler's Wells
Bay 1981		Northern Dancer
Bay 1961		Nearctic
Natalma		1954
1957		14-c
2-d
Fairy Bridge
Bay 1975		Bold Reason
Special		1968
1969		19-b
5-h
Kasora
Brown 1993		Darshaan
Brown 1981		Shirley Heights
Delsy		1975
1972		1-l
13-c
Kozana
Brown 1982		Kris
Koblenza		1976
1966		2-o
1-n
Suitely
Brown 2000		Woodman
Chestnut 1983		Mr Prospector
Bay 1970		Raise a Native
Gold Digger		1961
1962		8-f
13-c
Playmate
Chestnut 1975		Buckpasser
Intriguing		1963
1964		1-s
1-s
Honeymoon Suite
Bay or brown 1986		Tolomeo
Bay 1980		Lypheor
Almagest		1975
1975		4-r
13-a
Philippine Suite
Brown or black 1978		Bold Flip
Royal Suite		1968
1960		9-b
20>
 Ancestor duplications:Northern Dancer4m,5m x 4m Natalma5m,5f x 5m Buckpasser5f x 5f
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If the Ballet Suite thread has not disappeared from the forum I whinged in that that Waller was annoying the gelati out of me never getting her out to 2000m. 
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Another astute yearling purchase by James Harron Bloodstock.

CONTROVERT

3yo by I Am Invincible cost $1.2m as a yearling

Debuted today at Gosford for a 7th of 9 beaten over 6 Lens.
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Strategy, $1.7million yearling
4th in a Terang maiden on debut Confused
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James Harron purchases at MM and Inglis Easter last three years: 
42 for a gross of $30.8m incl. GST at an average price of $733k

Aquis purchases at MM and Inglis Easter last two years:
30 for a gross of $17.16m incl. GST at an average price of $572k.
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How do I get a gig sourcing yearlings for these big operations? Couldn't be that hard to improve on
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Originally posted by Shawy38 Shawy38 wrote:

Strategy, $1.7million yearling
4th in a Terang maiden on debut Confused


Did not look too bad but the winner flew on the outside of the track. Strategy tried to lead all the way and was stuck too close to the rail. Nice debut. Will win.
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All Lloyd’s expensive yearling buys the last couple of years have been skunks.
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Mt Fuji did win a barrier trial at Gosford yesterday. His first win at the trials, Sky said. He's still a colt and he might have a maiden win in him still Tongue
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Realistically how much better chance do you have to find a good yearling with big dollars as mating with a good stallion can be quite cheap. I assume its the mare's side that costs all the money.

If you buy a $2m yearling with great bloodlines do you get a 100x better chance than something that costs $20k?
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Originally posted by Red Rancher Red Rancher wrote:

Realistically how much better chance do you have to find a good yearling with big dollars as mating with a good stallion can be quite cheap. I assume its the mare's side that costs all the money.

If you buy a $2m yearling with great bloodlines do you get a 100x better chance than something that costs $20k?
Same chance, however your trainer and Bloodstock agent would not be living anywhere near as well if you bought a cheaper one. 
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Originally posted by Ringlock Ringlock wrote:

Mt Fuji did win a barrier trial at Gosford yesterday. His first win at the trials, Sky said. He's still a colt and he might have a maiden win in him still Tongue
That maiden win may have to be at the provincials for Mount Fuji. This $2.8m colt went around as an even money fave in a Canterbury maiden tonight and could only manage 4th of 7.

Who knows we might see him listed on Inglis Digital sometime soon.

I notice another high priced James Harron Bloodstock purchase is listed in the current Inglis online auction.  A Snitzel gelding called Colonel cost him $900,000.  Being disposed of after only 6 starts with current high bid at $7,500 Ouch
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Has there been any notable cases of these million dollar discards being snapped up cheap, and becoming successful racehorses ?
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Takeover target?
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Not a million, but some poor pr1ck paid 400 ish, then paid training a vet bills for 3? Years
Before selling him for $10k
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No his breeder kept him, in the end,,, and shared him out with friends.  The bloke from Meringo Stud,,,,big wig at the AJC at one time,,,Tony Hartnell.    They tried  , and then sacked him after about 2 years. Put him thru the sales. And Joe bought him for approx $1400.   

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I never knew that story about TT, wouldn't that rot your socks, watching that unfold after getting $1400
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paint the stars, covered pretty well by blu44 back in 2010 on this thread, i think 800k in the 70's ouch
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Saw that horse have his first start up the straight six at Flem . a dromedary from the start , buyer Holmes A Court , should have consulted George H. his trainer first Wink George would have told him to buy a pie with sauce for more value , but money does that to some.
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Paint the Stars was a few years before my time, but do remember seeing plenty of his progeny racing in the late 80’s & 90’s.

Looking at the stud book he was popular enough with broodmare owners as he covered 544 mares in his 12 years as a stallion.  And had a handful of black type stakes winners.

If Mt Fuji went to stud, I doubt he’d be as popular as PTS, and the last thing we need is another son of Snitzel at stud.
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without going back thru pages.  was they a flop called green monkey ?? 
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US horse? Most expensive ever at the time?
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Cost $US16 million

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I've got a small share in a magnificent looking lemon racing today. Great type, great pedigree ( according to supposed breeding expert). Sadly no engine.

I really liked him as a type but he didn't suit my pedigree analysis, but I reasoned that I am not an expert so in I went. First time in 40 years that I went outside my homebreds. Alas!  Oh well, lesson learned
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Originally posted by Lord Hybrow Lord Hybrow wrote:

Originally posted by Ringlock Ringlock wrote:

Mt Fuji did win a barrier trial at Gosford yesterday. His first win at the trials, Sky said. He's still a colt and he might have a maiden win in him still Tongue
That maiden win may have to be at the provincials for Mount Fuji. This $2.8m colt went around as an even money fave in a Canterbury maiden tonight and could only manage 4th of 7.

Who knows we might see him listed on Inglis Digital sometime soon.

I notice another high priced James Harron Bloodstock purchase is listed in the current Inglis online auction.  A Snitzel gelding called Colonel cost him $900,000.  Being disposed of after only 6 starts with current high bid at $7,500 Ouch

Did also have King's Legacy in the same crop who would more than cover for the slow ones.

Stewards reports suggest Mt Fuji not without his breathing issues.
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