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Deary me do you not under the roots/origins of a team ? and do you also not understand, that switching teams, just cause your team is playing bad and has shtty owners, is not a thing ????




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"They are the antithesis of the working class hero's you claim them to be.'

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Originally posted by Fiddlesticks Fiddlesticks wrote:

Deary me do you not under the roots/origins of a team ? and do you also not understand, that switching teams, just cause your team is playing bad and has shtty owners, is not a thing ????

Deary me, of course I understand the roots and origins of a team, however what Newton Heath was intended to be in 1878 and what it has become as Manchester United are vastly different entities.

I've stuck with Aston Villa through bad times, we've gone through the Doug Ellis era, been through the potential green shoots of success that didn't come to fruit, particularly in the Gregory and O'Niell eras, been through the relegation season, the culmination of several years of dross under the likes of McLeish (why we hired a bloke who relegated the scum is still beyond me) Lambert and Sherwood, in some ways it was a relief when we went down, 3 years in the Championship including 2 under another ex-boss of the scum in Steve Bruce, the false dawn of the Dean Smith era, the catastrophe of the Gerrard year when he was fluttering his eyes toward Anfield and seemed to forget he should show some managerial ability at Villa Park before they considered him.

Now we've got Emery, who seems to have a plan, we seem well run, we are playing good football, but its been a long road, we've not won a trophy since the League Cup in 96, not won a league title since 81, not won the FA Cup since 1957.

So yes I do know what it takes to stick to your club through the tough times, I've also listened to morons in this country who jump on whichever bandwagon happened to be at the top when their interest had them wish to pick a team, United being the most popular but Chelsea and later City have also been getting a run, asking why pick a team like Villa? As a Peterborough man said to me at a pub years ago at an Ashes test, when my old man asked why Peterborough, he said well its who I support isn't it?

From what I see in Australia and what my family back in England tell me, it seems Man United seem to attract far more of the bandwagoners than any other club, these fans seem to have this born to rule attitude, that they should be top of the pile at all times, I guess its why they sign players on name rather than on talent and character, Casemiro, Mcguire and Sancho 3 that spring to mind at present amongst a sea of examples in recent times.
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Originally posted by Tlazolteotl Tlazolteotl wrote:

"They are the antithesis of the working class hero's you claim them to be.'

Luxury car tax hating fiddles is a prawn sandwich United fan.Tongue

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Originally posted by Afros Afros wrote:

Originally posted by Fiddlesticks Fiddlesticks wrote:

Deary me do you not under the roots/origins of a team ? and do you also not understand, that switching teams, just cause your team is playing bad and has shtty owners, is not a thing ????

Deary me, of course I understand the roots and origins of a team, however what Newton Heath was intended to be in 1878 and what it has become as Manchester United are vastly different entities.

I've stuck with Aston Villa through bad times, we've gone through the Doug Ellis era, been through the potential green shoots of success that didn't come to fruit, particularly in the Gregory and O'Niell eras, been through the relegation season, the culmination of several years of dross under the likes of McLeish (why we hired a bloke who relegated the scum is still beyond me) Lambert and Sherwood, in some ways it was a relief when we went down, 3 years in the Championship including 2 under another ex-boss of the scum in Steve Bruce, the false dawn of the Dean Smith era, the catastrophe of the Gerrard year when he was fluttering his eyes toward Anfield and seemed to forget he should show some managerial ability at Villa Park before they considered him.

Now we've got Emery, who seems to have a plan, we seem well run, we are playing good football, but its been a long road, we've not won a trophy since the League Cup in 96, not won a league title since 81, not won the FA Cup since 1957.

So yes I do know what it takes to stick to your club through the tough times, I've also listened to morons in this country who jump on whichever bandwagon happened to be at the top when their interest had them wish to pick a team, United being the most popular but Chelsea and later City have also been getting a run, asking why pick a team like Villa? As a Peterborough man said to me at a pub years ago at an Ashes test, when my old man asked why Peterborough, he said well its who I support isn't it?

From what I see in Australia and what my family back in England tell me, it seems Man United seem to attract far more of the bandwagoners than any other club, these fans seem to have this born to rule attitude, that they should be top of the pile at all times, I guess its why they sign players on name rather than on talent and character, Casemiro, Mcguire and Sancho 3 that spring to mind at present amongst a sea of examples in recent times.

As I've said 100 times, I was born in the area so its the club I go for, the same club my grand dad and grand mother went for, is that ok with you ? I don't understand why you incessantly poke and prod at this subject, you and the troll are always posting negative things about united, not sure what the point is, I guess at least you go for a club the other troll never seems to go for anyone or supports any country or club. 

 
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Hang on champ, you took the discussion down this road, all I did was reply to Tlaz mentioning Man Utd's sizable debt, which is nearly as sizable as the gap between them and the noisy neighbours as this mornings result has shown.
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Sarabia's goal to equalise for Wolves against Tottenham has to be one of the best goals I've ever seen in the PL. I mean seriously that was ridiculous, had been on the pitch literally a minute and does that !!!!
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Everton deducted 10 points from English Premier League season - ABC News

Seems relatively quick and further proof of the favourable treatment given to "big 6" clubs that other clubs do not recieve, Man City have had their own much larger noose hanging around their neck for much longer than this issue and are yet to recieve any penalty, Man Utd have reported losses of around £240 million, near double the reported figure that has seen Everton docked 10 points.

Chelsea's new owner has also come in and is racing towards £1 billion in spending, will they eventually be docked 10 points as well?
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Martyn Ziegler of The Times says Man City and Chelsea could be RELEGATED.Shocked
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I could also wake up tomorow morning next to Katy Perry, which I suspect is more likely than any Premier League punishment relegating City or Chelsea.
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What does Everton’s ten-point deduction mean for other Premier League cases involving Manchester City and Chelsea?

It means potentially very bad news for those clubs. Everton’s sanction was for a single breach of Premier League rules, while City have been charged with 115 alleged breaches.
Chelsea remain under investigation but charges look inevitable given that the new owners have self-reported what appear to be substantial payments that would have broken Premier League rules during the previous ownership.
Given the sanction handed out to Everton, the threat of a 30-point deduction or automatic relegation from the Premier League would look to be very real for both City and Chelsea should charges be proved in an independent regulatory commission.
The largest points deduction against an English club was 30 points against Luton Town in 2008-09 for irregular player transfers and going into administration.

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Punish penalise any and all teams who break the rules, it would send a strong signal and one that is over due imo. There is too much money and business being done with these clubs, they barely resemble sporting clubs anymore. There should be caps at both ends imo, spending and losing. The game has lost some of its a-lure with so many internationals playing, bring the league back down to earth would be well cool but they never will. The big six will topple one day, it has to happen. 
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The present FFP rules are just a bandaid solution that will do more to solidify the current situation in most leagues of a few teams dominating.  The present rules are based around turnover, clubs like United, City and Chelsea that have all had deep European runs ergo generated more revenue meaning they can effectively spend more money than the chasing pack without breaking the rules.

Unless they introduce a hard cap on both salaries and transfer spending, perhaps even support staff as well, they're never going to turn the ship around back toward competitive leagues but this won't happen necause were it ever suggested, the big clubs would just threaten to break away and form their Super League again, unfortunately I doubt any administrator would have the balls to look them in the eyes and say, "try it".

The other reality is that unless the rule were simultaneously introduced in all of big leagues of Europe, it would just result in the first to introduce the rules seeing a talent vaccume as the top players head to another league without caps to earn more cash.

Imagine being a fan of clubs like Everton, Aston Villa, Sunderland, West Brom or Tottenham and knowing that realistically your only hope of ever seeing your club achieve success is a billionaire to come in and buy the club and even that is harder to do now with other clubs having already found one.

Football is the perfect example of money blinding morals, one only has to look at the World Cup being handed to both Qatar and Saudi Arabia as a prime example among many others, such as one time gay rights activist Jordan Henderson grabbing the bags of Arab cash and exposing himself as a hypocrit.
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We're back in action.

Manchester City 1-1 Liverpool
Sheffield United 1-3 Bournemouth
Nottingham Forrest 2-3 Brighton
Burnley 1-2 West Ham
Luton  2-1 Crystal Palace
Newcastle United 4-1 Chelsea
Brentford 0-1 Arsenal

Arsenal return to the top after a narrow win and City dropping points at home to Liverpool, good win for Newcastle against mid-table fodder, ditto for Luton at home to Palace, Sheffield United and Burnley who are both shipping goals at close to 3 a game and both have goal differences over -20 both may as well plan on being in the Championship next season, already the only excitement at the bottom looks to be if Luton can do enough to finish in front of someone else.

Fulham play Wolves tonight, both looking to push some breathing space between themselves and the relegation scrap heap, Everton host Man Utd, I feel like Everton could be a good bet here as the fans will surely be out in full voice after the debacle of the points deduction, the team will probably be fired up to prove a point as well.  The other match tonight sees Villa putting their top 4 aspirations on the line at Tottenham, Villa have won 2 of their last 3 at Spurs and did the double over them last season, Spurs are reeling after two strait losses, could be a good chance for the Villa to make a statement.
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Villa beat Tottenham 2-1 in a great game to watch, the score could have been 5 all or more, so many goals ruled out for tight off sides, and so many hitting the post or well saved by the keeper, great open football. 
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United's first goal by Ganacho is one of the greatest goals in the PM ever...wow.
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United 3
Everton 0

Afros won't like that, LOL  but hey his team beat Tottenham and are now 4th on the ladder. 
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Originally posted by Fiddlesticks Fiddlesticks wrote:

United's first goal by Ganacho is one of the greatest goals in the PM ever...wow.

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Villa up to 4th now but we've got a crucial run of matches for this season now, I'm pretty sure if we can beat Legia Warsaw by 2 goals on Thursday that'll mean that we top our group regardless, which will be handy as after Bournemouth next Sunday we have Man City and Arsenal visiting Villa Park in the space of 3 days, so it would be good to have the Conference League group sorted before that.  It would allow Emery to play the fringe players in the final Conference League game.

With Spurs, Newcastle and Man Utd (who we play through Christmas) all breathing down a necks the next couple weeks will determine if we're genuine threats to a CL spot or if we fall away and are simply hoping for a spot in one of the Europa leagues.
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If you get a chance, watch the Tottenham V Villa game in full, it was a cracker it really was, end to end, side to side, goals disallowed left right and centre, cross bars shaking from shots etc, it had everything.  
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Already spoken with my Spurs supporting mate this morning, he told me (not complaining, just as a matter of fact, he's well ingrained in life as a Spurs man) that there were 4 goals disallowed, 3 for Spurs, one for us.  He also added that at least 2 of their 3 were well offside and it was just a case of the officials letting the game play through and VAR sort it out and that he felt Villa were good for their win.

I'll at least try to grab the mini-match, but I'm sure my old man will give me the full run down from a Villa perspective.

Good win for United as well, I thought they'd have a tough match there with the whole points deduction thing around Everton that surely must have fired up both fans and players.
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Ah, the old bicycle kick goal.Clown They look like flukes to me. I'd be interested to know what Rooney and Ronaldo's bicycle kick goal stats are. How many times did they try did and how many times did it work?
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Fulham 3
Wolves 2

lots of penalties kinda ruined this game..
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