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    Posted: 25 Nov 2020 at 10:41am
To paraphrase Tesio , greatness in a colt can be attributed to a piece of wood at Epsom racecourse, the winning post for the Derby. That may have been a correct observation early to mid last century, but what of the 1980’s to 2000’s.
1980 Henbit = flop at stud
1981 Shergar = never had opportunity at stud
1982 Golden Fleece = died young but still considered a flop
1983 Teenoso = flop
1984 Secreto = a few good ones from  tops sires in USA = better than a flop but uncommercial
1985 Slip Anchor =. Flop
1986 Sharastrani = flop
1987 Reference Point = flop
1988 Kahyasi = flop
1989 Nashwan = a few good ones, but better than flop,  it uncommercial
1990 Quest for Fame = if he stood in England was a flop, but I ported to Aust and proved a good sire with some very good horses
1991 Generous = flop in France, but good sire in Japan and better again in NZ
1992 Dr Devious = flop in England and when shuttled to Vic 
1993 Commander in Chief = flop
1994 Erhaab = flop
1995 Lammtara = flop
1996 Shammit = not heard of after Derby,  flop
1997 Benny the Dip = never going to amaze an impact with th@t name = flop
1998 High Rise = flop
1999 Oath = flop
2000 Sinndar = flop

I will do 5he 2000’s in another post
I the meantime, 20 winners, some dying young but only 2 commercial stallions.
Throw the topic open to discussion of the list above.
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Don't worry Majestic, even when the quote was a true maxim the race had a poor strike rate.


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The last 20 years have been pretty spectacular.

2020Serpentine (IRE) 2017Group 112F
2019Anthony Van Dyck (IRE) 2016Group 112F
2018Massar (GB) 2010Group 112F
2017Wings Of Eagles (FR) 2014Group 112F
2016Harzand (IRE) 2013Group 112F
2015Golden Horn (GB) 2012Group 112F
2014Australia (GB) 2011Group 112F
2013Ruler Of The World (IRE) 2010Group 112F
2012Camelot (GB) 2009Group 112F
2011Pour Moi (IRE) 2008Group 112F
2010Workforce (GB) 2007Group 112F
2009Sea The Stars (IRE) 2006Group 112F
2008New Approach (IRE) 2005Group 112F
2007Authorized (IRE) 2004Group 112F
2006Sir Percy (GB) 2003Group 112F
2005Motivator (GB) 2002Group 112F
2004North Light (IRE) 2001Group 112F
2003Kris Kin (USA) 2000Group 112F
2002High Chaparral (IRE) 1999Group 112F
2001Galileo (IRE) 1998Group 112F
2000Sinndar (IRE) 1997Group 112F
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1980 Henbit: Borromini Gr2 Grand Prix de Deauville.  Kribensis Champion Hurdle.
1981 Shergar: Authall Gr1 Irish St Leger; Maysoon 2nd Gr1 1000 Guineas; 3rd Gr1 English Oaks.
1982 Golden Fleece: died at 5yo
1983 Teenoso: 
1984 Secreto: Mystiko Gr1 2000 Guineas; Miss Secreto Gr2. To Japan in 1992.
1985 Slip Anchor: User Friendly Gr1 English Oaks, Gr1 English St Leger, Gr1 Irish Oaks, 2nd Gr1 Prix de l'Arc de Triomphe;  Morshdi Derby Italiano; Posidonas Gr1 Gran Premio d'Italia; Slicious Gr1 Premio Roma;
1986 Sharastrani: Dariyoun Gr1 Gran Premio de Madrid; Rifapour Gr2 Prix Hocquart; Gajarian Gr3 x 2 
1987 Reference Point: Ivyanna Gr1 Oaks d'Italia.  Died 1991.
1988 Kahyasi: Vereva Gr1 Prix de Diane; Zainta Gr1 Prix de Diane; Enzeli Gr1 Ascot Gold Cup; Khalkevi Gr1 Grand Prix de Paris; Darasim Gr2 Goodwood Cup; sired Hasili, dam of Banks Hill (rated 126), Cacique (122), Champs Elysees (121), Dansili (126), Del;uxe (111), Heat Haze (117), Intercontinental (120).
1989 Nashwan: Bago Gr1 Prix de l'Arc de Triomphe, Ganay, Grand Prix de Paris; Swain Gr1 Coronation Cup; King George VI & QE II (x2) Irish Champion Stakes; Wandesta Gr1 Santa Ana Hcp; Aqaarid Gr1 Fillies Mile; One So Wonderful Gr1 International Stakes.
1990 Quest for Fame: Viscount Gr1 x 3; sarrera Gr1 x 2; De Beers Gr1; Dracula Gr1; Tributes Gr1; Unworldly Gr1 
1991 Generous: 
1992 Dr Devious: Collier Hill Gr1 Irish St Leger, Canadian Intl, Hong Kong Vase; Kinnaird Gr1 Prix de l'Opera, Gr2 May Hill; London Bridge 2nd Gr1 Japan 1000 Guineas; Olive Crown 3rd Gr1 Japan Oaks
1993 Commander in Chief: sired 600+ winners = flop. Ein Bride Gr1; Regular member Gr1; Meiner Combat Gr1; Top Commander Gr2; Courir Cyclone Gr2.
1994 Erhaab:
1995 Lammtara:
1996 Shammit: died in 2001.  Bollin Eric Gr1 English St Leger
1997 Benny the Dip: died 2002
1998 High Rise: to Japan, back to Ireland in 2004 a a NH stallion
1999 Oath:
2000 Sinndar: Shawanda Gr1 Irish Oaks, Gr1 Prix Vermeille; Youmzain 2nd Prix de l'Arc de Triomphe x 3; Rosanara Prix Marcel Boussac; Shareta Yorkshire Oaks, Prix Vermeille; Visindar Gr2 Prix Greffulhe; Four Sins Gr2 Blandford S; Gertrude Bell Gr2 Lancashire Oaks.
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For the 2001 - 2020 winners,

Galileo is in a class by himself
Camelot, High Chaparral, New Approach, Sea the Stars -- excellent stallions
Kris Kin, North Light, Workforce, Australia so far -- poor 
Authorized, Motivator, Ruler of the World -- one-hit wonders
Pour Moi -- two-hit wonder, one in each hemisphere
Sir Percy -- useful racehorse stallion, especially considering mare numbers/quality he's seen

Golden Horn, Harzand, Masar -- progeny just getting started
Serpentine -- still racing
Anthony van Dyke -- dead

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