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Majestic
Champion Joined: 23 Mar 2013 Location: NSW Status: Offline Points: 1303 |
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Posted: 25 Nov 2020 at 10:41am |
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To paraphrase Tesio , greatness in a colt can be attributed to a piece of wood at Epsom racecourse, the winning post for the Derby. That may have been a correct observation early to mid last century, but what of the 1980’s to 2000’s.
1980 Henbit = flop at stud 1981 Shergar = never had opportunity at stud 1982 Golden Fleece = died young but still considered a flop 1983 Teenoso = flop 1984 Secreto = a few good ones from tops sires in USA = better than a flop but uncommercial 1985 Slip Anchor =. Flop 1986 Sharastrani = flop 1987 Reference Point = flop 1988 Kahyasi = flop 1989 Nashwan = a few good ones, but better than flop, it uncommercial 1990 Quest for Fame = if he stood in England was a flop, but I ported to Aust and proved a good sire with some very good horses 1991 Generous = flop in France, but good sire in Japan and better again in NZ 1992 Dr Devious = flop in England and when shuttled to Vic 1993 Commander in Chief = flop 1994 Erhaab = flop 1995 Lammtara = flop 1996 Shammit = not heard of after Derby, flop 1997 Benny the Dip = never going to amaze an impact with th@t name = flop 1998 High Rise = flop 1999 Oath = flop 2000 Sinndar = flop I will do 5he 2000’s in another post I the meantime, 20 winners, some dying young but only 2 commercial stallions. Throw the topic open to discussion of the list above.
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djebel
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Don't worry Majestic, even when the quote was a true maxim the race had a poor strike rate.
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reductio ad absurdum
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djebel
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The last 20 years have been pretty spectacular.
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reductio ad absurdum
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diomed
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1980 Henbit: Borromini Gr2 Grand Prix de Deauville. Kribensis Champion Hurdle. 1981 Shergar: Authall Gr1 Irish St Leger; Maysoon 2nd Gr1 1000 Guineas; 3rd Gr1 English Oaks. 1982 Golden Fleece: died at 5yo 1983 Teenoso: 1984 Secreto: Mystiko Gr1 2000 Guineas; Miss Secreto Gr2. To Japan in 1992. 1985 Slip Anchor: User Friendly Gr1 English Oaks, Gr1 English St Leger, Gr1 Irish Oaks, 2nd Gr1 Prix de l'Arc de Triomphe; Morshdi Derby Italiano; Posidonas Gr1 Gran Premio d'Italia; Slicious Gr1 Premio Roma; 1986 Sharastrani: Dariyoun Gr1 Gran Premio de Madrid; Rifapour Gr2 Prix Hocquart; Gajarian Gr3 x 2 1987 Reference Point: Ivyanna Gr1 Oaks d'Italia. Died 1991. 1988 Kahyasi: Vereva Gr1 Prix de Diane; Zainta Gr1 Prix de Diane; Enzeli Gr1 Ascot Gold Cup; Khalkevi Gr1 Grand Prix de Paris; Darasim Gr2 Goodwood Cup; sired Hasili, dam of Banks Hill (rated 126), Cacique (122), Champs Elysees (121), Dansili (126), Del;uxe (111), Heat Haze (117), Intercontinental (120). 1989 Nashwan: Bago Gr1 Prix de l'Arc de Triomphe, Ganay, Grand Prix de Paris; Swain Gr1 Coronation Cup; King George VI & QE II (x2) Irish Champion Stakes; Wandesta Gr1 Santa Ana Hcp; Aqaarid Gr1 Fillies Mile; One So Wonderful Gr1 International Stakes. 1990 Quest for Fame: Viscount Gr1 x 3; sarrera Gr1 x 2; De Beers Gr1; Dracula Gr1; Tributes Gr1; Unworldly Gr1 1991 Generous: 1992 Dr Devious: Collier Hill Gr1 Irish St Leger, Canadian Intl, Hong Kong Vase; Kinnaird Gr1 Prix de l'Opera, Gr2 May Hill; London Bridge 2nd Gr1 Japan 1000 Guineas; Olive Crown 3rd Gr1 Japan Oaks 1993 Commander in Chief: sired 600+ winners = flop. Ein Bride Gr1; Regular member Gr1; Meiner Combat Gr1; Top Commander Gr2; Courir Cyclone Gr2. 1994 Erhaab: 1995 Lammtara: 1996 Shammit: died in 2001. Bollin Eric Gr1 English St Leger 1997 Benny the Dip: died 2002 1998 High Rise: to Japan, back to Ireland in 2004 a a NH stallion 1999 Oath: 2000 Sinndar: Shawanda Gr1 Irish Oaks, Gr1 Prix Vermeille; Youmzain 2nd Prix de l'Arc de Triomphe x 3; Rosanara Prix Marcel Boussac; Shareta Yorkshire Oaks, Prix Vermeille; Visindar Gr2 Prix Greffulhe; Four Sins Gr2 Blandford S; Gertrude Bell Gr2 Lancashire Oaks.
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Kimberley Mine
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For the 2001 - 2020 winners, Camelot, High Chaparral, New Approach, Sea the Stars -- excellent stallions Kris Kin, North Light, Workforce, Australia so far -- poor Authorized, Motivator, Ruler of the World -- one-hit wonders Pour Moi -- two-hit wonder, one in each hemisphere Sir Percy -- useful racehorse stallion, especially considering mare numbers/quality he's seen Golden Horn, Harzand, Masar -- progeny just getting started Serpentine -- still racing Anthony van Dyke -- dead |
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