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I knew that selling nearly all our gas cheap to the Chinese would come back and bite us on the arse sooner or later.LOL Didn't need to be Nostradamus to see that.
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I get that most of this crisis was well & truly set in motion before ALP get the job. What i don't understand is why they blatantly lied to the Australian people that they could deliver CHEAPER power bills - when they knew at the time it was going to be an impossibility. Refer to box C3 on the ALP Election promise grid that PT posted in the Albanese thread.
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Originally posted by oneonesit oneonesit wrote:

Originally posted by jujuno jujuno wrote:

 My electricity bill has gone down since the younger daughter left home.

 No more twenty-minute hot showers helped lower the bill, as well as less heating and cooling.

 My advice: kick the kids out, as soon as they have a job. 

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Bet you wont be saying that when you see your next one (price going down). Good luck !

 it comes in at the end of this month.  I'll keep you posted. I don't expect it to be abnormal.

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Originally posted by oneonesit oneonesit wrote:

I get that most of this crisis was well & truly set in motion before ALP get the job. What i don't understand is why they blatantly lied to the Australian people that they could deliver CHEAPER power bills - when they knew at the time it was going to be an impossibility. Refer to box C3 on the ALP Election promise grid that PT posted in the Albanese thread.

I know right? I can't believe they haven't done everything they said they would in the first 2 weeks either
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TJ - they had a pretty good idea that power prices would be under pressure going into the election. And not in a small way - a big way. So fair enough - let them say nothing if they must - that would be half - reasonable. However, to come out & label reduced power prices as a core promise to Joe public is a touch over the top - even for rusted on ALP voters like yourself & Djebel
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What date did they put on reducing power prices?
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What date did they put on anything ?

Seriously PT - even you must be struggling defending that one
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Originally posted by oneonesit oneonesit wrote:

TJ - they had a pretty good idea that power prices would be under pressure going into the election. And not in a small way - a big way. So fair enough - let them say nothing if they must - that would be half - reasonable. However, to come out & label reduced power prices as a core promise to Joe public is a touch over the top - even for rusted on ALP voters like yourself & Djebel

Rusted on ALP voter? LOL Funniest thing you've said in days wunwun

Go back and read the 'discussions' PT and I had about Dan to see how rusted on I am LOLLOLLOL Good one.
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I bet they get power prices sorted well before the Libs introduce an Integrity commission or submarines.
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we have 2 adults in a 5 br home but only heat the rooms we occupy and everything gets turned off at the wall overnight (except for the fridge!) usually around $75 to $100 per month on elec. the heater/hot water and kitchen uses gas, but we have bottled gas as no natural gas in this area, paying around $100 p/month.

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Hey oneone you should start a thread to hold Labor to account for it's promises.
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Originally posted by oneonesit oneonesit wrote:

TJ - they had a pretty good idea that power prices would be under pressure going into the election. And not in a small way - a big way. So fair enough - let them say nothing if they must - that would be half - reasonable. However, to come out & label reduced power prices as a core promise to Joe public is a touch over the top - even for rusted on ALP voters like yourself & Djebel

Rusted on ALP voter? LOL Funniest thing you've said in days wunwun

Go back and read the 'discussions' PT and I had about Dan to see how rusted on I am LOLLOLLOL Good one.
OK - I'll give you the benefit of the doubt - but not bloody Djebel LOL
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Citing research from 2013, Dr Denniss said today’s surging gas prices were predicted a decade ago, when producers started building up Australia’s export market.

“We didn’t stumble into this,” he told The New Daily.

“There is no gas shortage in Australia. We’re producing three times more gas than we used to.

“Gas giants are booking windfall profits taking care of global markets before anyone locally.”

Dr Denniss said the gas industry has spent $80 billion over the past decade building a raft of infrastructure to help it export Australian products, allowing the industry to charge higher prices for its products than would be possible locally.

But that’s also pushed up the price for local customers, because it’s made gas more scarce for households and businesses in Australia.

“When you link a small market [like Australia] to big markets, it’s inevitable what happens,” Dr Denniss said.

“The people who produce and export win, while local consumers lose.

https://thenewdaily.com.au/finance/finance-news/2022/06/03/gas-prices-australia-2/
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So it was Rudd's fault ?
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That graph is rubbish. My power bills reduced past few years. Anyone who tried by looking around would have achieved same.
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Lets look at the full article from The Conversation PT  (which you claimed you never would refer to) which starts in 2019. Prices have dropped considerably.
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The Second British Invasion: how royal cronies and the gas debacle took Australia for billions


by Simone Marsh | Nov 5, 2018

https://michaelwest.com.au/the-second-british-invasion-how-royal-cronies-and-the-gas-debacle-took-australia-for-billions/

Senate Estimates confirmed last month that BG Group’s gas bonanza has delivered diddly-squat to Australia in tax – despite claims it would contribute “more than $1 billion”. Whistleblower, Simone Marsh, investigates the crony capitalism behind the Gladstone debacle; the history of how politicians kowtowed to the Duke of York-led British BG Group by pulling strings, shifting guidelines and ignoring public opinion to unlock prime farmland for fracking. Marsh raises new questions about the timing of the spill of former Prime Minister Kevin Rudd.

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The tax coup of 2010

In March 2010, the BG Group pulled off one of Australia’s biggest sales of LNG to China (see below). After the sale, treasurer Wayne Swan participated in the June coup that toppled the nation’s Prime Minister, Kevin Rudd. The coup prevented a scheduled meeting in Canberra with BG’s London chief about the Resource Super Profits Tax Rudd was seeking for Australia. The coup also resulted in Wayne Swan becoming Deputy Prime Minister.

Government paralysis

Australia’s LNP government remains paralysed, incapable of responding what has occurred. The Labor opposition, plugged in at the highest levels, is complicit.

Federal Labor president Wayne Swan, whilst performing the role of Australia’s Treasurer, participated in the Rudd coup. Swan subsequently appointed BG’s Catherine Tanna, to the Reserve Bank board.

Manager of Opposition Business, Tony Burke MP, signed off QCLNG at the federal level in October 2010. Burke’s predecessor, Peter Garrett MP, refused to approve the proposal after unambiguous advice from Geosciences Australia. Garrett notes in his memoir that Ferguson and Swan had been “acutely focused” on the decision.



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Typical - nothing works since this new mob took over LOL
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Anyhow the good news is that in 12 months time - when energy prices increase have resulted in people freezing to death - there will be an increase across to renewables

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Dont worry oneone, both state and federal govts will look after you with an electricity subsidy or an increase if you already get one.
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But Dr Denniss said while this may be the case, the federal government could move to pass a tax on the windfall profits being booked by gas companies in the interim, and then redirect these funds to households and businesses struggling with higher bills. The Conservative government in the UK has already done this.Wink

“There’s nothing to stop them doing that,” he said.

“Let’s be clear: Shareholders in gas companies weren’t expecting a war in the Ukraine, so therefore shareholders in gas companies weren’t expecting enormous windfall profits, either.”

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 People who  live in McMansions deserve high electricity prices...

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We should have a Sovereign fund that gas profits(coal and iron ore as well) goes into. This minerals ride will end and so far nobody other than those friendly to the Tory govt has benefit from them.
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LNP 101 PT, funnel as much money into those at the big end of town as they can while simultaniously scaring others that the ALP is coming for them.
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Came unstuck bigly a fortnight ago Afros. 
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