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    Posted: 05 Nov 2022 at 11:07pm
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Race 2 - 11:10AM The Lavazza Long Black (2800 METRES) Of $80,000. 1st $52,000, 2nd $16,000, 3rd $7,200, 4th $3,200, 5th $1,600
Starter Subsidy $325.
Handicap, Minimum Weight 52kg, Apprentices cannot claim.

Track Name: Main Track Type: Turf Track Condition: Good 3 RATime: 2:57.19 Last 600m: 0:36.30 Timing Method: Electronic

Color Finish No Horse Trainer Jockey Margin Bar. Weight Penalty Starting Price
1 1 HEY PRONTO Gai Waterhouse AO Mr Jim Cassidy
2 59kg
$4.60
2 9 CRESCENT Graeme Rogerson Mr Danny Nikolic 1.3L 6 52kg
$5.50
3 14 SHIBIRI James Riley Darren Gauci 2.1L 4 52kg
$13
4 4 OXFORD DOLLAR William Smart Brett Prebble 2.2L 11 55kg
$12
5 15 WEST HIGHLAND WAY Charlie Goggin Craig Newitt 2.7L 9 52kg
$10
6 16 ZAMARIN Tony Vasil Mr Chris Munce 3.5L 5 52kg
$26
7 12 OUR FIREMAN SAM Michael Moroney Mr Jason Patton 5L 12 52kg
$21
8 2 HOMEWRECKER Ray Lawson Scott Seamer 6L 7 57kg
$5.50
9 10 LOCHI Stuart Webb Mr Matthew Gatt 6.1L 3 52kg
$31
10 11 MY DECISION Bryce Stanaway Mr Reece Wheeler 14.1L 8 52kg (cd 52.5kg)
$26
F 13 RAGING RHINO Michael Moroney Kerrin McEvoy 0L 1 52kg
$12
F 6 SKINJITE Mick Price Glen Boss 0L 10 54kg
$17
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What was the reason they named some jockeys as Mr.
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Of $85,000. 1st $55,250, 2nd $17,000, 3rd $7,650, 4th $3,400, 5th $1,700
Starter Subsidy $325.
Handicap, Minimum Weight 52kg, Apprentices cannot claim.

Track Name: Main Track Type: Turf Track Condition: Soft 5 RATime: 2:57.41 Last 600m: 0:34.76 Timing Method: Electronic

Color Finish No Horse Trainer Jockey Margin Bar. Weight Penalty Starting Price
1 1 ZAZZMAN Tony Vasil Kerrin McEvoy
13 56.5kg
$5
2 5 BONDY Tony Vasil Damien Oliver 0.2L 10 53kg
$7
3 3 KARASI Eric Musgrove Noel Callow 3.5L 12 54kg
$15
4 6 ELWOOD Bryce Stanaway Chris Symons (a0) 4.5L 4 53kg
$13
5 10 FULL FATHOM John Craddock Mr Brady Cross (a0/54kg) 7.3L 11 52kg
$61
6 4 THE MIGHTY LIONS Michael Moroney Mr Greg Childs 8.8L 9 54kg
$3.70
7 15 RUNNARCHIE Craig Murfet Dale Smith 9L 1 52kg
$81
8 11 LOTHARIO Bart Cummings Corey Brown 10.5L 7 52kg
$6.50
9 12 LYNX Bryce Stanaway Mr Reece Wheeler 15L 2 52kg
$41
10 16 TASMAN JAY Ron Hall Rhys McLeod 15.4L 5 52kg
$101
11 14 SALERNO Eric Musgrove Mr Matt Pumpa (a0/53kg) 15.8L 3 52kg
$101
12 2 PRINCE BENBARA Tony Rosolini Stephen Baster 16L 8 56kg
$11
13 8 BIONICS John Craddock Craig Newitt (a0/52kg) 19L 6 52kg
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Has there ever been so many former black type winners & placegetters contest this race as there will be in the 2023 edition?

7 of the 13 runners have black type on their CV,

Third Realm & Rebel Racer are both black type winners.

Team Captain, Kings Crossing, Long Arm, The Map & Garachico all black type placegetters.

Perhaps strengthened by the mysterious disappearance of the Sandown Cup 3200m from the MRC’s Zipping Classic meeting.
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Originally posted by horlicks horlicks wrote:

What was the reason they named some jockeys as Mr.
Japanese influence maybe LOL
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I did not notice Horlicks had asked that question. It is a strange thing isn't it.
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Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

I did not notice Horlicks had asked that question. It is a strange thing isn't it.
He did ask it 12 months ago. I've been giving it a lot of thought LOL
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Originally posted by Lord Hybrow Lord Hybrow wrote:

Has there ever been so many former black type winners & placegetters contest this race as there will be in the 2023 edition?

7 of the 13 runners have black type on their CV,

Third Realm & Rebel Racer are both black type winners.

Team Captain, Kings Crossing, Long Arm, The Map & Garachico all black type placegetters.

Perhaps strengthened by the mysterious disappearance of the Sandown Cup 3200m from the MRC’s Zipping Classic meeting.


It really is a good race this year.

I love what Anthony and Sam Freedman are doing.

I was surprised Waller did not press on to the Melbourne Cup with Mr Waterville after his run in the Geelong Cup, That said he looks a little too short for my liking in the markets.


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Originally posted by oneonesit oneonesit wrote:

Originally posted by horlicks horlicks wrote:

What was the reason they named some jockeys as Mr.
Japanese influence maybe LOL

It's to distinguish the private school boys from the public school oiks.Question
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If this is a really good race this year, geez the previous ones must have been poor Ouch
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It's a bench mark 96 with zero black type status.
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I know so I don’t know what it makes it a very good race. Sorry, but they look like walkers to me 
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Lord Hybrow explained that quite clearly I'd have thought.



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Rare that I don’t agree with LH views on racing but the fact that most of those mentioned have black type suggests there are way too many black type races available LOL
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Is Team Captains 3rd appearance in this race a record?
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Originally posted by Afros Afros wrote:

Is Team Captains 3rd appearance in this race a record?
Probably is a record, although given his regal bloodlines probably not what was set out to achieve. Never noticed before he’s a full bro to Serpentine.

Interesting that he’s also had 3 registered racing names.  Was originally TS Eliot when owned by Coolmore in Ireland, then had a name change to Yulong Captain when imported here to Aust, then changed again to Team Captain when bought by the Racing League Syndicate.
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You couldn't actually discard him in this.

Though I've jumped in early and had 35 e/w Wahine Toa at $41/8 and $15 e/w Rebel Racer at $81/14.  Embarrassed

And will probably couple them up in weighted Tri's and FF's with 3 or 4 others. 
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Originally posted by Foxseal Foxseal wrote:

Originally posted by Afros Afros wrote:

Is Team Captains 3rd appearance in this race a record?
Probably is a record, although given his regal bloodlines probably not what was set out to achieve. Never noticed before he’s a full bro to Serpentine.

Interesting that he’s also had 3 registered racing names.  Was originally TS Eliot when owned by Coolmore in Ireland, then had a name change to Yulong Captain when imported here to Aust, then changed again to Team Captain when bought by the Racing League Syndicate.

There is a third, younger brother, named I'm A Dirty Rascal (formerlly King Of The Castle) with the three clashing in the 2500m quality hcp on Makybe Diva Stakes day last year, older brother Team Captain (6th) earnt family bragging rights from I'm a Dirty Rascal (7th) by 0.1L with the middle brother Serpentine 3.15L behind the youngest finishing last, he however carried 62kg, 8kg more then his brothers were both asked to carry.

I'm a Dirty Rascal is now in the Waterhouse and Bott yard and hasn't raced since last spring carnival, however he has had two trials, the most recent on friday, finishing 6th of 9 over 1200, stablemate (in ownership and trainer) Newfoundland, yet to start in Australia, ran 4th in the same trial.

A little niche record in this is it is most likely the first instance of two full brothers each running in the exact same race on the same card two years in a row, not quite as niche as full brothers Rightfully Yours and Heart of Dreams both running 7th in the Sir Rupert Clarke and Underwood on the same day but interesting all the same.
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Originally posted by Second Chance Second Chance wrote:

You couldn't actually discard him in this.  Though I've jumped in early and had 35 e/w Wahine Toa at $41/8 and $15 e/w Rebel Racer at $81/14.  Embarrassed  And will probably couple them up in weighted Tri's and FF's with 3 or 4 others. 

And those others are 3,4,7 and 12, hoping that if WT or RR at least place I might just jag an exotic. 
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Another good edition of this race run & done for another year.

Didn’t see any post race interview but whilst THE MAP didn’t measure up to qualifying for the Melb Cup, I hope Dan Clarken aims her at the Adelaide Cup next year.

MR WATERVILLE would seem to also be Adelaide Cup level material.  I backed him with confidence today, but was no match for the winner.  Amazed to see they paid $769,000 for him out of last years Tattersalls Horses in Training sales.  He’ll need to be astutely placed to recoup that price tag.
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If Mr Waterville is trying, I suspect he might be unreliable, He could win any 2 mile race they set him for. It will not be up to Waller or his jockey. It will be him that decides whether he is winning or trying on that day.
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i wonder if the Ts Eliot above gets his name from the one who was fighting in the captains tower with Ezra Pound from Bob Dylan's Desolation Row?
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Didnt T S Eliot write some famous book or poem about cats ?  Just cant recall it now but no doubt JJ would.
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probably AA, Dylan is big on trivia in his music
gotta find out what TS Eliot and Ezra Pound would be fighting over Cats maybe? thus a Cat Fight?


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I Bow and Prostrate myself to thine knowledge AA, They were both Poets, thus the fighting

"Praise be to Nero's Neptune
The Titanic sails at dawn
And everybody's shouting
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And Ezra Pound and T. S. Eliot
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While calypso singers laugh at them
And fishermen hold flowers"
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Originally posted by acacia alba acacia alba wrote:

Didnt T S Eliot write some famous book or poem about cats ?  Just cant recall it now but no doubt JJ would.

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I couldn't stand TS bloody Eliot when a student a million years ago.  But our lecturer loved him.

So into the end of year Literature exam and bugger me 50% of the marks were devoted not so much to his poetry but rather to his essays and beliefs, much of which involved extremely conservative religious and political views let alone his clear anti semitism.  Needless to say I flunked the exam, scoring from memory 38/50 for half of the test and zero for the Eliot component.


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Falls the shadow 

Good book that, if you like historical novels.
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