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Channel Seven in pumping up their telecasting of this Test series have claimed in this series that Australia is facing the best bowling attack to ever come to Australia.I do not know what time frame they put on that claim,  but the Indian attack could not hold a candle to the 1960-61 West Indies bowling attack. Just think of the current Australian batting side facing Wes Hall and the greatest ever all rounder Gary Sobers, Lance Gibbs and Alf Valentine .
Am I being too nostalgic, to what was the greatest series in my memory ?

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Scrums are to slow play down to have a breather.

Are you saying they need a breather because they are not  fit enough ?
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It could also be argued that the bowling attacks of the great WI sides in the 80's was better than this one Roberts, Marshall, Holding, Ambrose, Garner, Walsh and a whole production line of fast bowlers. 
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Originally posted by Baghdad Bob Baghdad Bob wrote:

Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

Scrums are to slow play down to have a breather.

Are you saying they need a breather because they are not  fit enough ?

Tactical breaks.
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Originally posted by Baghdad Bob Baghdad Bob wrote:

Channel Seven in pumping up their telecasting of this Test series have claimed in this series that Australia is facing the best bowling attack to ever come to Australia.I do not know what time frame they put on that claim,  but the Indian attack could not hold a candle to the 1960-61 West Indies bowling attack. Just think of the current Australian batting side facing Wes Hall and the greatest ever all rounder Gary Sobers, Lance Gibbs and Alf Valentine .
Am I being too nostalgic, to what was the greatest series in my memory ?



That is hilariously funny.LOL

They are also saying this is the best Australian bowling attack, which is also ridiculous but not insane like the above claim. Are you sure that is not what you heard? I can't imagine anyone saying these Indian bowlers are better than the Windies.


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I think the claim with the Aussie bowlers is they are the best 4some.

I would have thought McGrath, Lee, Gillespie and Warne would outrank this 4 but perhaps they did not combine together often enough ? 
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Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

It could also be argued that the bowling attacks of the great WI sides in the 80's was better than this one Roberts, Marshall, Holding, Ambrose, Garner, Walsh and a whole production line of fast bowlers. 
Agree , you could name any of those touring West Indian bowling attacks and they would be better than the current Indian attack.
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Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

I think the claim with the Aussie bowlers is they are the best 4some.

I would have thought McGrath, Lee, Gillespie and Warne would outrank this 4 but perhaps they did not combine together often enough ? 


They went for many years without losing.
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Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

I think the claim with the Aussie bowlers is they are the best 4some.

I would have thought McGrath, Lee, Gillespie and Warne would outrank this 4 but perhaps they did not combine together often enough ? 

I'd take Cummins over Lee and perhaps Hazlewood over Gilespie but Lyon a long way behind Warne and Starc also behind McGrath and Gilespie.
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India 5 for 15 , last 4 wickets for 6 , now 6 for 19. holy moly.
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Maybe they are the greatest bowling attack Tongue
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Adelaide Oval must be hard to bat on!
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The Indians won't be safe to go home.
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I though Adelaide Oval was made up for score of 400+ !

Maybe there are too many Rhappesh Binis in the team?
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Well there you have it. India's lowest score in Test Cricket - 9/36.

Last one got knocked off by technicality of getting hit on the arm.

Can OZ now get this target?
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Spewin.
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May have been missed due to all the excitement with the India collapse but the Melbourne Renegades played a 15 year old kid today in the Big Bash. Noor Ahmad took 1/27 off 4 overs. 
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COMPARING ERAS (1992-2008)

Glenn McGrath: 124 Tests, 563 wickets @ 21.64

Jason Gillespie: 71 Tests, 259 wickets @26.13

Brett Lee: 76 Tests, 310 wickets @30.81

Shane Warne: 145 Tests, 708 wickets @25.41

(2011 - 2020*)

Mitchell Starc: 58 Tests, 248 wickets @26.78

Josh Hazlewood: 52 Tests, 201 wickets @25.69

Pat Cummins: 31 Tests, 150 wickets @21.26

Nathan Lyon: 97 Tests, 391 wickets @31.68

*Not yet complete

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McGrath and Warne were great bowlers. Cummins is well on the way to being a great bowler. None of the other Aus bowlers in the current lineup, good as they are, will get to that level. IMHO Confused
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Burns back to form. Very consistent performer apart from that last innings in Adelaide.

I wonder how many more Tests that lone innings will get him with pick-and-stick Langer?
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Anyone take the $1.30 Australia?
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Not sure Wade is a Test opener, not even an opener at First-Class level but I've been saying that for a while. Once again the openers doing very little for Australia and the bulk of the work will have to be done by the middle order with the lower order chipping in. Here are some stats for you in regards to how Australian openers have fared in the past 20 Test matches. The Aussie opening batsman seem to be hot and cold which creates pressure on the middle to lower order batsman.

2020: vs India (MCG)

1st Innings: Burns - 0, Wade - 30
2nd Inninngs: Yet to bat

2020: vs India (Adelaide Oval)

1st Innings: Burns - 8, Wade - 8
2nd Innings: Burns - 51*, Wade - 33

2020: vs New Zealand (SCG)

1st Innings: Burns - 18, Warner - 45
2nd Innings: Burns - 40, Warner - 111

2019: vs New Zealand (MCG)

1st Innings: Burns - 0, Warner - 41
2nd Innings: Burns - 35, Warner - 38

2019: vs New Zealand (Optus Stadium)

1st Innings: Burns - 9, Warner - 43
2nd Innings: Burns - 53, Warner - 19

2019: vs Pakistan (Adelaide Oval)

1st Innings: Burns - 4, Warner 335*
2nd Innings: Did Not Bat

2019: vs Pakistan (Gabba)

1st Innings: Burns - 97, Warner - 154
2nd Innings: Did Not Bat

2019: vs England (The Oval)

1st  Innings: Harris - 3, Warner - 5
2nd Innings: Harris - 9, Warner - 11

2019: vs England (Old Trafford)

1st Innings: Harris - 0, Warner - 13
2nd Innings: Harris - 6, Warner - 0

2019: vs England (Headingly)

1st Innings: Harris - 8, Warner - 61
2nd Innings: Harris - 19, Warner - 0

2019: vs England (Lord's)

1st Innings: Bancroft - 13, Warner - 3
2nd Innings: Bancroft - 16, Warner 5

2019: vs England (Edgebaston)

1st Innings: Bancroft - 8, Warner - 2
2nd Innings: Bancroft - 7, Warner - 8

2019: vs Sri Lanka (Manuka Oval)

1st Innings: Harris - 11, Burns - 180
2nd Innings: Harris - 9, Burns - 9

2019: vs Sri Lanka (Gabba)

1st Innings: Harris - 44, Burns - 15
2nd Innings: Did Not Bat

2019: vs India (SCG)

1st Innings: Harris - 79, Khawaja - 27
2nd Innings: Harris - 2*, Khawaja - 4*

2018: vs India (MCG)

1st Innings: Harris - 22, Finch - 8
2nd Innings: Harris - 13, Finch - 3

2018: vs India (Optus Stadium)

1st Innings: Harris - 70, Finch - 50
2nd Innings: Harris - 20, Finch - 25

2018: vs India (Adelaide Ova)

1st Innings: Harris - 26, Finch - 0
2nd Innings: Harris - 26, Finch - 11

2018: vs Pakistan (Shiekh Zayed Stadium)

1st Innings: Khawaja - 3, Finch 39
2nd Innings: Marsh - 4, Finch - 31
**Marsh opened in 2nd innings**

2018: vs Pakistan (Dubai Intl Stadium)

1st Innings: Finch - 62, Khawaja - 85
2nd Innings: Finch - 49, Khawaja - 141
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Harder to shift a player from the test team than to boot Trump out of the WH. A mere century in the 2nd innings should not save him, a big one may
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This is the past 35 Test matches
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2020: vs India (MCG)

1st Innings: Burns - 0, Wade - 30
2nd Inninngs: Yet to bat

2020: vs India (Adelaide Oval)

1st Innings: Burns - 8, Wade - 8
2nd Innings: Burns - 51*, Wade - 33

2020: vs New Zealand (SCG)

1st Innings: Burns - 18, Warner - 45
2nd Innings: Burns - 40, Warner - 111

2019: vs New Zealand (MCG)

1st Innings: Burns - 0, Warner - 41
2nd Innings: Burns - 35, Warner - 38

2019: vs New Zealand (Optus Stadium)

1st Innings: Burns - 9, Warner - 43
2nd Innings: Burns - 53, Warner - 19

2019: vs Pakistan (Adelaide Oval)

1st Innings: Burns - 4, Warner 335*
2nd Innings: Did Not Bat

2019: vs Pakistan (Gabba)

1st Innings: Burns - 97, Warner - 154
2nd Innings: Did Not Bat

2019: vs England (The Oval)

1st  Innings: Harris - 3, Warner - 5
2nd Innings: Harris - 9, Warner - 11

2019: vs England (Old Trafford)

1st Innings: Harris - 0, Warner - 13
2nd Innings: Harris - 6, Warner - 0

2019: vs England (Headingly)

1st Innings: Harris - 8, Warner - 61
2nd Innings: Harris - 19, Warner - 0

2019: vs England (Lord's)

1st Innings: Bancroft - 13, Warner - 3
2nd Innings: Bancroft - 16, Warner 5

2019: vs England (Edgebaston)

1st Innings: Bancroft - 8, Warner - 2
2nd Innings: Bancroft - 7, Warner - 8

2019: vs Sri Lanka (Manuka Oval)

1st Innings: Harris - 11, Burns - 180
2nd Innings: Harris - 9, Burns - 9

2019: vs Sri Lanka (Gabba)

1st Innings: Harris - 44, Burns - 15
2nd Innings: Did Not Bat

2019: vs India (SCG)

1st Innings: Harris - 79, Khawaja - 27
2nd Innings: Harris - 2*, Khawaja - 4*

2018: vs India (MCG)

1st Innings: Harris - 22, Finch - 8
2nd Innings: Harris - 13, Finch - 3

2018: vs India (Optus Stadium)

1st Innings: Harris - 70, Finch - 50
2nd Innings: Harris - 20, Finch - 25

2018: vs India (Adelaide Ova)

1st Innings: Harris - 26, Finch - 0
2nd Innings: Harris - 26, Finch - 11

2018: vs Pakistan (Shiekh Zayed Stadium)

1st Innings: Khawaja - 3, Finch 39
2nd Innings: Marsh - 4, Finch - 31
**Marsh opened in 2nd innings**

2018: vs Pakistan (Dubai Intl Stadium)

1st Innings: Finch - 62, Khawaja - 85
2nd Innings: Finch - 49, Khawaja - 141

2018: vs South Africa (Wanderers Stadium)

1st Innings: Renshaw - 8, Burns - 4
2nd Innings: Renshaw - 5, Burns - 42

2018: vs South Africa (Newlands)

1st Innings: Bancroft - 77, Warner - 30
2nd Innings: Bancroft - 26, Warner - 32

2018: vs South Africa (St George's Oval)

1st Innings: Bancroft - 38, Warner - 63
2nd Innings: Bancroft- 24, Warner - 13

2018: vs South Africa (Kingsmead)

1st Innings: Bancroft - 5, Warner - 51
2nd Innings: Bancroft - 53, Warner - 28

2018: vs England (SCG)

1st Innings: Bancroft - 0, Warner - 56
2nd Innings: Did Not Bat 

2017: vs England (MCG)

1st Innings: Bancroft - 26, Warner - 103
2nd Innings: Bancroft - 27, Warner- 86

2017: vs England (WACA)

1st Innings: Bancroft - 25, Warner - 22
2nd Innings: Did Not Bat

2017: vs England (Adelaide Oval)

1st Innings: Bancroft - 10, Warner - 47
2nd Innings: Bancroft - 4, Warner - 14

2017: vs England (Gabba)

1st Innings: Bancroft - 5, Warner - 26
2nd Innings: Bancroft - 82, Warner - 87

2017: Bangladesh (Chowdhury Stadium)

1st Innings: Renshaw - 4, Warner - 123
2nd Innings: Renshaw - 22, Warner - 8

2017: vs Bangladesh (Sher-e-Bangla)

1st Innings: Renshaw - 45, Warner - 8
2nd Innings: Renshaw - 5, Warner - 112

2017: vs India (HPCA Stadium)

1st Innings: Renshaw - 1, Warner - 56
2nd Innings: Renshaw - 8, Warner - 6

2017: vs India (JSCA Stadium)

1st Innings: Renshaw - 44, Warner - 19
2nd Innings: Renshaw - 15, Warner - 14

2017: vs India (Chinnaswamy Stadium)

1st Innings: Renshaw - 60, Warner - 33
2nd Innings: Renshaw - 5, Warner - 17

2017: vs India (Maharastra Cricket Assoc)

1st Innings: Renshaw - 68, Warner - 38
2nd Innings: Marsh - 0, Warner - 10
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So Jamal, you've been saying a bloke who's nearly entire first class and test career has seem him bat between 5 and 7 is not an opener at test level? What an Oracle.
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As a cricket journalist wrote recently if Wade was the Australian wicketkeeper with his current test batting average he would hold his place in the current team, but that " wicketkeeping batting average" is not enough to keep him in the side as am opening batsman.

As for Burns , what has got over Langer to retain his place in the team ?
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I’ve been a Burns fan but he needs to go, surely 

As to Wade, he’s a hopeless keeper and should never don the gloves at test level again
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If one is comparing Australian wicketkeepers there is one stand out. A Gilchrist, he has the highest test batting average of all Australian keepers ( 47.61 ) and has the most dismissals 416 from 96 tests. As a comparison R Marsh also played 96 tests for 355 dismissals but had a test batting average of 26.51.

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