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    Posted: 05 Apr 2019 at 7:39pm

A stunning few weeks for COTEHELE HOUSE line-breeding - Verry Elleegant, Cosmic Force and now Fiscal Fantasy; there have only been 19 runners line-bred to her and FIVE are Group winners!
So proud to have been associated with three of them - Quilate, Fair Trade & Fiscay Fantasy

Not a bad strike rate Clap
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Cotehele House.
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Inbreeding to Danehill. (No nothing to do with it).
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How many mares have been line bred to Danehill without the results she has had down thru her generations. I bet Furious can tell us.
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This from another thread re the attractiveness of Verry Elleegant's pedigree:

" Particularly the crosses of both Eight Carat (via Cotehele House) and Special. 
And the Danehill is sex balanced which is unfortunately rather less common than the all-male cross. View Post
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Originally posted by Paul Hogan Paul Hogan wrote:

Inbreeding to Danehill. (No nothing to do with it).


Agreed! Nothing to do with it.
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Look at it this way.  How many stakes winners does Skilled have?  I think Cotehele House must have something to do with the success here.

Also nothing wrong with doubling the Danehill in this female line.  Cotehele House is the dam of Danewin and Commands both sons of Danehill! 

 So like Mystic Journey in that not only are you inbred to the damline but you are inbred to the line that has produced your best stakes winner.
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Quilate, a G3 winner by Bramshaw ex an unraced (I think) Dangerous mare. A less glamorous black type pedigree would be hard to find Tongue She surely is a gem of a mare Clap
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Sorry Gay but Danehill could also help as I've said above.  Combining both the line and the sire which gave the line the best stake results.  Gold.
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Originally posted by Gay3 Gay3 wrote:

Originally posted by Paul Hogan Paul Hogan wrote:

Inbreeding to Danehill. (No nothing to do with it).


Agreed! Nothing to do with it.


Not having a dig, did not even look at the author.

Danehill has turned the lights on in this mating IMO.

Equally nice to have a Blue Hen Mare doubled up in the mating.

I have a Commands mare Cotehele House prominent of course.
She is jet black and looks quite similar.
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2 X 3

Zabeel x Danehill ( Female Line)

That is one of the best crosses you can get.

Sure it is Romantic to attribute it to Cotehele House she getting back a bit 4 x 4 ......who knows maybe.
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That's where you want most inbreeding to start Paul.  Any closer and you get all the bad usually.  It's like the Redoute's cross they keep putting Canny Lad mares to his sons.  Just asking for leg issues.  Once you get out a bit and you have two sound individuals these sorts of crosses can and do work.
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Originally posted by Gay3 Gay3 wrote:


A stunning few weeks for COTEHELE HOUSE line-breeding - Verry Elleegant, Cosmic Force and now Fiscal Fantasy; there have only been 19 runners line-bred to her and FIVE are Group winners!
So proud to have been associated with three of them - Quilate, Fair Trade & Fiscay Fantasy

Not a bad strike rate Clap

Taking out Cosmic Force as he is not tail female line Cotehele house, the other 4 group winners were either tail female to Wycombe or Chalet Girl which were daughters of Cotehele House both by Imposing. Coincidentally the only 2 progeny of Cotehele by Imposing.

I wonder if anyone can bring up stats for line breeding to Wycombe and/or Chalet Girl.
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Hello,
congrats to the success of the "Cotehele House" Family in Australia. She traces further back to the famous "Mumtaz Mahal" and her meanwhile widely spread descents.
 
I have noticed Golden Horn (by Cape Cross), English Derby winner in 2015 belongs to the same branch via "Lora" a differant daughter of 'Klairessa'. A Hypomating of Golden Horn/Cotehele House shows even more Connections.
 
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Thanks Ticino.

And right on cue Fiscal Fantasy 3 x 3 Cotehele House wins the Gp 3 Manawatu Breeders Stales over 2000m. Clap
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Plutocrat (2f Rich Enuff x Personal Guarantee, by Danzero) wins the LR Tattersalls Club Stakes at Eagle Farm. Her 3rd dam was Cotehele House.
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PLUTOCRAT (AUS)Bay filly 2017 
Rich Enuff
Chestnut 2011		Written Tycoon
Chestnut 2002		Iglesia
Brown 1995		Last Tycoon
Bay or brown 1983		Try My Best
Mill Princess		1975
1977		8-f
8-c
Yodells
Chestnut 1988		Marscay
Yodelling Lady		1979
1979		4-m
1-c
Party Miss
Brown 1991		Kenmare
Grey 1975		Kalamoun
Belle of Ireland		1970
1964		9-c
1-m
Miss Entertainer
Chestnut 1975		Vain
Viveza		1966
1967		A10
18>
Hotnuff
Bay 2001		Spartacus
Chestnut 1993		Snippets
Bay 1984		Lunchtime
Easy Date		1970
1977		7-f
20-a
Pazzihi
Bay 1979		Manihi
Pastel		1964
1970		1-n
22-a
Scalding Hot
Brown 1993		Bureaucracy
Brown 1987		Lord Ballina
Tulla Doll		1979
1974		2-c
1-o
Scalding
Bay 1978		Ballyhot
Tullette		1968
1966		13-e
13-b
Personal Guarantee
Bay 2005		Danzero
Bay 1991		Danehill
Bay 1986		Danzig
Bay 1977		Northern Dancer
Pas de Nom		1961
1968		2-d
7-a
Razyana
Bay 1981		His Majesty
Spring Adieu		1968
1974		4-d
2-d
Confidentially
Bay or brown 1978		Kaoru Star
Chestnut 1965		Star Kingdom
Kaoru		1946
1955		1-g
31>
Idesa
Brown 1972		Idomeneo
Faresa		1960
1957		2-i
13-b
Chalet Girl
Chestnut 1985		Imposing
Chestnut 1975		Todman
Chestnut 1954		Star Kingdom
Oceana		1946
1947		1-g
1-u
Hialeah
Chestnut 1963		Arctic Explorer
Kuch Parwani		1954
1957		14-c
1-c
Cotehele House
Brown or black 1980		My Swanee
Grey 1963		Petition
Grey Rhythm		1944
1954		16-g
8-j
Eight Carat
Brown 1975		Pieces of Eight
Klairessa		1963
1969		3-o
9-c
 Ancestor duplications:Star Kingdomx 5m,5m       
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Hello,
when I went through the peds of the "Classic Winners" in England (Derby, Oaks).
I got the feeling You have already spot the damline before.
Yes I was right, the 3rdplaced "Frankly Darling" (Oaks) the common ancestor "Nuryana", from the the same family as the Derbywinner in 2015 "Golden Horn" and widely related with 'Cotehele House' in AUS.
 
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Gee you've got a good eye Ticino.  Thumbs Up
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