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What an absolute beat up this Omicron is. Been detected in 38 countries - & not one death. Maybe they should apply the "runny nose"" yardstick. Deary me. Drama for the sake of it. Next !
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PT can you superimpose Omicron deaths - or even severely ill - on that graph above please. 

Actually don't bother - a horizontal straight line wont show up
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As we discussed the other day, you will not see deaths for a few weeks.

In SA today Omicron represents 89% of cases.

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Thousands of unmasked anti vaxxers marching yesterday as Victorian R_eff creeps up to 1.1 today.

The next weeks numbers will be intersting.
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-12-04/why-victoria-recording-higher-covid-cases-than-nsw/100671276

"But when you step back, both states have actually followed a fairly similar trajectory since their lockdowns eased.

The key difference?

When Sydney left its lockdown behind on October 11, the state reported 496 new infections.

When Melbourne exited its lockdown 10 days later, Victoria reported 2,189 new cases.

Since then, the seven-day average for new infections in both states has dropped, before stabilising into a plateau."

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Yes Victoria opened up with greater numbers so the drop is really good.  The vaccinations must have some effect with delta.  Hope the same with the newby on the block.
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10 new Omicron in NSW, now 25 and spreading in the community.

Better hope it is less deadly than Delta.
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Actually hilarious LOL
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It's only mild if you get it.

Once rare, lung transplants for COVID-19 patients are rising quickly

About one in 10 lung transplants in the United States now go to COVID-19 patients, according to data from the United Network for Organ Sharing, or UNOS.

The trend is raising questions about the ethics of allocating a scarce resource to people who have chosen not to be vaccinated against the coronavirus.

"They are accumulating on a steady basis. So it's very much a real thing," says David Klassen, chief medical officer for UNOS.

"If there were more lungs available for transplants, I believe the numbers would be greater than they are," he says.

In all, 238 people across the country have received lung transplants due to COVID-19 since the first such operations were tracked in August of 2020, according to the latest UNOS figures from October of this year.

Lung transplants for COVID patients rose tenfold between the first year of the pandemic and 2021, according to UNOS data, which also shows transplants for other top lung diseases, like emphysema, cystic fibrosis and pulmonary fibrosis, are down compared to prior years.

"It's happening in the U.S. It's also happening in Canada. There was just a paper out from Western Canada about this causing a huge surge in the number of lung transplants there. It's a big problem," says David Mulligan, chair of the Yale-New Haven Health Transplantation Center.

More than 2,000 lung transplant operations are usually done each year in the U.S., costing around $1.2 million for a double lung transplant.

The rise in COVID-related transplants is forcing doctors to grapple with how to best manage who gets them, especially now that vaccines are widely available.

"When somebody contracts such severe COVID that they need a lung transplant, and they got it refusing to get a vaccine, it's a really ethical dilemma," says Mulligan. "How can they just jump in and take a lung away from somebody who's sick, but has been doing the best they can to take care of themselves and avoid getting COVID?"

Ethics of non-judgment

Transplant centers weigh a lot of different factors when listing people who need an organ. But social and behavioral factors — such as how people came to be sick — are not usually among them.

People who smoked can be eligible for a lung transplant, just like people who drank alcohol in excess can also be listed for a new liver if they've stayed smoke-free or sober for six months.

Not judging people's past behavior is fairly standard in medicine. But future behavior, when it comes to transplants, is fair game, according to Olivia Kates, an assistant professor of medicine at Johns Hopkins. more,,

http://www.npr.org/2021/11/28/1058988220/once-rare-lung-transplants-for-covid-19-patients-are-rising-quickly

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If you dont want to be vaxxed thats fine.  But dont put people who chose to do the right thing out of treatment.  Go to the bottom of the pile and you get whats left, if there is anything left .
If not.  Tough titties.
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Please spare me the Rationalisations ;-   How bad it would have been had he not been double Vaccinated or that a man in Chile was saved by having 4 jabs ....    When they all got infected AFTER getting at least 2 Jabs .

    Barnaby Joyce is down with Covid ... Another doubled dosed failure .

NOW the world is doing what it should have done 2 years ago , relying more on Mother Nature and facing the Virus , in the same way we have in the past.   AND saving TRILLIONS of $ and Billions of Jobs and Futures.
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As anticipated with opening up, 506 cases in NSW today with the R_eff on the rise at 1.20, meaning that number will double in about 18 days. 

Barnaby is probably alive today because he is double vaccinated. Thumbs Up
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Originally posted by maccamax maccamax wrote:

Please spare me the Rationalisations ;-   How bad it would have been had he not been double Vaccinated or that a man in Chile was saved by having 4 jabs ....    When they all got infected AFTER getting at least 2 Jabs .

    Barnaby Joyce is down with Covid ... Another doubled dosed failure .

NOW the world is doing what it should have done 2 years ago , relying more on Mother Nature and facing the Virus , in the same way we have in the past.   AND saving TRILLIONS of $ and Billions of Jobs and Futures.
You definitely haven’t got any smarter in your short hiatus from here.

Haven’t you seen Barnaby?

He says he’s gone to work feeling sicker than this.
Big difference from being attached to a respirator…..
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As Expected , The Donkeys Clutched their only straw.

Can you see how foolish you look Rusty .... Pt had already achieved that status on Covid , long ago .       
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Barnyard will be a Coronavirus stud after this, with vaccination + natural immunity.
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Originally posted by maccamax maccamax wrote:

As Expected , The Donkeys Clutched their only straw.

Can you see how foolish you look Rusty .... Pt had already achieved that status on Covid , long ago .       
Donkeys?

At least your consistent, anyone who disagrees with you is called names, as a petulant 10 year old would do.

You clearly can’t grasp the concept that the severity of this pandemic has been dramatically reduced, firstly, by segregation’s/quarantines that have never been previously  seen , and secondly by vaccines.

Even a petulant 10 yo can grasp the concept that vaccinations firstly, dramatically reduce the chance of infection, and secondly, reduce dramatically the effects of any infections.

Why can’t you?
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Rusty ... So out of truth... Pointless trying to educate you.

    But a read on Waterfall type Sanatoriums might help your stupid comparisons on what has previously been experienced , handling infections..

   Name calling was payback for your inference of my not getting any smarter...     I've been there , done that, re infections and this one is just another one passing through.   
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More proof you just can’t comprehend the current pandemic.

Quarantining a tiny percentage of the population is not analogous with shutting down multiple suburbs for literally months trying to stop the spread.

It’s baffling that you can’t understand this.
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You people don't grasp the fact that these virus , run their cycle. despite all efforts to stop, slow , eradicate .
    The Spanish Flu, TB , HIV , etc etc are still out there, infecting , after 100's of years. Covid will be too, if previous History is any guide.

    Like other forms of life on our planet , ( 8.7 million species )we are best served , accepting we have to live with them .
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   AND Rusty wants us to believe Covid is the only one we have encountered. )
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Max just know that most of us seem to think the vaccines are doing what was promised.  Less serve cases , seriously less cases although we are going up again with new varient.  And certainly less deaths if you have some vaccination protection.  

And we all know about the thousands of things that can kill us.  Cancer, heart attack, car accidents, tetnus for the unvaccinated, blood vessels bursting the numourous other illnesses which some can and some can't fight off.

We all know this but this was a unique virus which reached every country on the planet.  Thank heavens for modern medicine - for all it's faults - it helped keep plenty of people alive.

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The very fact that you continue to incorrectly equate HIV to this, is proof you are clueless.

You can’t catch HIV in an elevator you share with someone who is positive.
They didn’t need to shut down gay nightclubs to stop the spread, merely educate everyone about safe sex.
And when you equate the death toll with this pandemic that had unprecedented laws about even leaving your house, with other pandemics where no new laws were introduced.

You are being outrageously disingenuous, or hopelessly uninformed.
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Zero experience in the Medical fields and you still rave on ....
   HIV had everyone wondering where the infections could come from . including all bodily fluids . Spitting in the eyes was a feared happening .
HIV was and is, a far more serious damaging illness than covid . It is still killing big numbers after 40 years.
Furious has been overtaken by Covid since day one ... Even went offshore to get some numbers .   Covid won't get you , something you have neglected to be concerned about probably will.   

    
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"[HIV] is still killing big numbers after 40 years"

literally the next line

"Even went offshore to get some numbers"



LOLLOL you must be doing it on purpose now
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Originally posted by maccamax maccamax wrote:

Zero experience in the Medical fields and you still rave on ....
   HIV had everyone wondering where the infections could come from . including all bodily fluids . Spitting in the eyes was a feared happening .
HIV was and is, a far more serious damaging illness than covid . It is still killing big numbers after 40 years.
Furious has been overtaken by Covid since day one ... Even went offshore to get some numbers .   Covid won't get you , something you have neglected to be concerned about probably will.   

    
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Originally posted by rusty nails rusty nails wrote:

Originally posted by maccamax maccamax wrote:

Zero experience in the Medical fields and you still rave on ....
   HIV had everyone wondering where the infections could come from . including all bodily fluids . Spitting in the eyes was a feared happening .
HIV was and is, a far more serious damaging illness than covid . It is still killing big numbers after 40 years.
Furious has been overtaken by Covid since day one ... Even went offshore to get some numbers .   Covid won't get you , something you have neglected to be concerned about probably will.   

    

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   WHO would have ever thought =      Rusty stuck for words .

              A total peanuts slur as his farewell.       

     
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Literally didn’t understand your word salad, after your incorrect statement that HIV was more serious…
Which again ignores the fact, you only need to be in the same room, for you to die, as opposed to exchanging bodily fluids….
Surely, you must understand the difference?
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I suggest you study your subjects , before making the goose of yourself .

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HIV, the virus that has become one of the world’s most serious health and development challenges since the first cases were reported in 1981. Approximately 76 million people have become infected with HIV since the start of the epidemic.
Today, there are approximately 38 million people currently living with HIV, and tens of millions of people have died of AIDS-related causes since the beginning of the epidemic.
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In Australia, 6k in deaths from AIDS in over 40 years.
Over 2k deaths in Australia from COVID-19 to date.

Tell me again what was the highest death toll from AIDS in any one here in this country.

Please note the death toll from HIV/AIDS occurred without any dramatic quarantine/business closures.
If you ever got out of your lounge room and ventured to the CBD, you would have seen it was literally a ghost town for months.
Airports were shutdown fir over a year.
The measures instituted by Governments worldwide were unprecedented, and were of a magnitude of hundreds or thousands times any sanitariums that you mistakenly postulated.
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