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Gay3
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I thought this too funny not to post.............perhaps I have a warped sense of humour tho' Jim Adams Shall
we look at this for a moment? There is a pandemic virus threatening to wipe out 65 million people. Half the world is at war with the other half. Approximately 80 million people are starving and 4 billion on the brink of starvation. China is threatening to take over the Pacific ocean and Russia may just get back in the Olympics. We are heading towards another ice age and half the idiots in the world think it is getting warmer. Our dog has completely plowed up our back lawn and two of my shirts need new collars - and you are weighing up the power of a fart???? |
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Isaac soloman
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Scary...
Israelis were told to 'have fun' after lockdowns eased. Now they're facing a coronavirus COVID-19 second wave"Return to normal — get a cup of coffee and a glass of beer." That was what Israel Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu told citizens when he eased the country's coronavirus restrictions in late May. Key points:
"First of all, have fun," he added. After weeks of harsh lockdowns that put one million people out of work, Mr Netanyahu was in a hurry to restart Israel's economy. So Israelis returned to work, to beaches, to gyms and, critically, to school. It was the last move particularly that proved to be a deadly mistake. In a country where classes have between 30-40 children, experts have blamed the full reopening of schools for a second wavehttps://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-14/israel-coronavirus-covid-19-second-wave-has-hit/12426164 |
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maccamax
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Those posts were humorous .... Love to smile . Sure beats crying.
Our Politicians are giving us plenty to be depressed over. It is unreal the over reaction to the Virus . Contradictions to the extreme. A sin to put a fishing line in but ok for tens of thousands to rampage through the streets . Then lock up the population = unless of course your a film star, Minogue. Destroy people , their jobs , business etc ,..... For What..... Where is this weeks BLM protests. |
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Tlazolteotl
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Or Kerry Stokes
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An honest politician is one who when he is bought will stay bought.
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Baghdad Bob
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Whether it is Minogue, Stokes or Mohamed they should all be treated the same.No exceptions.
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Gay3
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Leaked emails reveal government knew of problems on day one of hotel quarantineBy Paul SakkalThe Age and The Sydney Morning Herald have seen leaked emails between senior officials in leading agencies involved in the quarantine system, which was supposed to protect the community from imported COVID-19 cases. It was addressed to several senior officials at the Department of Health and Human Services (DHHS), which was the leading agency for the day-to-day management of hotel quarantine, according to an Emergency Management Victoria operational document seen by The Age and The Sydney Morning Herald. "We
request that Victoria Police is present 24/7 at each hotel starting
from this evening. We ask that DHHS urgently make that request as the
control agency," the email read. DHHS was asked to address issues on the supply and distribution of masks and gloves, and to clarify policies on whether detainees could leave their rooms or order UberEats takeaway food. The email was also sent to Emergency Management Victoria, which was jointly responsible for the hotel scheme alongside DHHS. The Age and The Sydney Morning Herald have chosen not to reveal the identities of those named in the email exchanges, or to quote from the emails in full, because those involved had not consented to providing the emails to the media. Premier Daniel Andrews announced an inquiry into Victoria's quarantine scheme, to be led by former judge Jennifer Coate, after protocol breaches by guards at the Rydges on Swanston and Stamford Plaza hotels were identified as the source of coronavirus outbreaks in Melbourne's north and west. The outbreaks marked the start of a second surge across the state. Victoria recorded 177 new cases of COVID-19 on Monday after more than a week of triple-digit daily increases. In May and June, there were dozens of days when fewer than 10 new cases were reported statewide. The state’s Chief Health Officer said on Monday it was "conceivable" that all the active COVID-19 cases in Victoria stemmed from Melbourne’s problem quarantine hotel program. After an incident in which a traveller left his room to smoke at 3am, the Department of Jobs, Precincts and Regions official sent a second email on March 30 demanding that DHHS request police support, suggesting private security companies were "not adequate" to guard the hotels. The email recommended DHHS ban quarantined travellers from leaving their rooms for any reason, including exercise. A top official from Emergency Management Victoria responded to the request by saying police were not required because guards could call triple zero if a situation warranted police involvement. DHHS declined to answer questions about whether it requested the support of Victoria Police and whether its departmental officials escalated the concerns to Health Minister Jenny Mikakos. Victoria Police was contacted for comment but did not respond before deadline. A spokeswoman for the Premier's office, also responding on behalf of departments, declined to answer questions about the early warnings, instead saying an inquiry had been established "at arm’s length from government", the same response it has given to questions on the failings of the hotel quarantine program since the inquiry’s establishment. "All
departments and agencies will fully co-operate with the inquiry," the
spokeswoman said. "We will let the inquiry do its work – our focus
remains on containing this virus." On July 2, the day the government announced a judicial inquiry, Police Minister Lisa Neville said police were not the default agency for the management of the pandemic response in Victoria, as they were in other states. "Every state runs their emergency management system in a very different way. In NSW it’s run by the police ... that is not the case in Victoria. In health emergencies, it’s health." On the same day, the Premier labelled the quarantine breaches "unacceptable". "It’s why there have been changes into the way hotel quarantine operates," Mr Andrews said. The Age and The Sydney Morning Herald reported earlier this month that at least five agencies were involved in the decision to deploy private security guards, instead of soldiers or police, at quarantine hotels: Health; Jobs; Premier and Cabinet; Emergency Management Victoria; and Victoria Police. Emails sent on March 29 and an internal Emergency Management Victoria operational document dated March 28 detail the roles and responsibilities of each agency in the hotel quarantine system, with DHHS and Emergency Management Victoria leading the program. DHHS and Jobs Department worked together – along with the Department of Transport, the Australian Federal Police and Border Force – on the logistics and planning of the hotel scheme, including transporting travellers from the airport. DHHS
and Emergency Management Victoria – led by Ms Mikakos and Ms Neville
respectively – had "control and command" powers for operations at the
hotels, including managing, monitoring and responding to returned
travellers, the documents show. The Jobs Department, led by minister Martin Pakula, was responsible for procuring contracts with hotels and security firms, and purchasing services, items and food for returned travellers. The department's early planning role would "transition to the Deputy State Controller and DHHS as the control agency," a March 29 email from DHHS to Department of Jobs, Precincts and Regions shows. The Age and The Sydney Morning Herald revealed on July 3 that the Chief Health Officer was told of similar problems with the hotel quarantine system in mid-April. Wilson, MSS and Unified were the three major security companies contracted to provide security at the hotels. A spokeswoman for Wilson Security – which says it did not supply guards at either Rydges or Stamford Plaza and says none of its workers were infected – said it collaborated with police for hotel site walk-throughs, and it defended its capacity to equip guards to work at quarantine hotels. The company regularly "reinforced use-of-force provisions and legal authority for quarantine restrictions", the spokeswoman said. "We deployed specialist services and expert personnel from our corporate risk department to oversee the deployment of all staff into hotels. "We
also had expert health, safety, and environmental resources provide
risk-based assessments of duties and work environments in order to
enhance operational processes to mitigate risks." A spokesman for Unified Security said guards had adequate personal protective equipment and were "equipped to do the job safely and effectively" after being trained thoroughly. Speaking on ABC Radio Melbourne’s Drive program on Monday evening, Chief Health Officer Professor Sutton said that while the viruses currently circulating Victoria had not all been sampled, it was possible they were all linked. "We don't know the exact proportion [that are linked to hotel quarantine]. We know that it's genomically linked to the quarantine cases, but not all of the viruses that are out there at the moment are sampled, not all of them can be grown in order to get the genomic sequencing – but I think we've said previously a very significant proportion was shown up in a in an early snapshot of that," he said. Drive host Rafael Epstein asked: "So it’s still [the case that] most, if not all, comes from the one problem in one hotel?" "Yeah, that's conceivable absolutely," replied Professor Sutton. The Chief Health Officer said he used "pretty colourful language" when the genomic link was first made between hotel quarantine and outbreaks around the city. "No one wants to have that be the case. I felt that everyone who was managing that quarantine program, because they were actually doing a fantastic job managing all of the logistic complexities of it. But it speaks to, you know, the dangers of any positive case out there and the ability for it to spread very extensively as has occurred." |
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TIGER
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Glad to see the Qld and Victorian Governments take this so seriously
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EAD
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Isaac soloman
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or Andrew Forrest. money talks, especially if you sell iron ore which is much sort of by you know who....
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Isaac soloman
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Dan Andrews is an equal opportunities man, and very multi cultural.
isnt that what Victoria is all about?
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max manewer
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Tell your psychiatrist about it.
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Isaac soloman
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now now max i will tell them about this little person trolling me...
and how he grows horns when confronted.
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Isaac soloman
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Socially distanced 'pig pens' could replace mosh pits at 'COVID-safe' concerts and festivalspigs and coronavirus, dont they go hand in hand?
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TJMitchell
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Genomic sequencing that could reveal how many of Victoria's COVID-19 cases are linked to the state's quarantine hotel outbreaks will be kept secret until an inquiry into the hotel scheme's deficiencies begins. Sequencing to track the source of infections determined in early July that a significant proportion of new coronavirus cases in Melbourne's north and west were linked to cases traced back to hotels. Speaking at a press conference on Tuesday, Chief Health Officer Brett Sutton revealed a new set of genomic testing had since been completed, but said it would not be revealed publicly at preseent as it would be examined in a judicial inquiry led by retired judge Jennifer Coate. The inquiry is to begin public hearings on Monday. The data would indicate how many people infected over the past fortnight are linked to outbreaks stemming from hotels. Professor Sutton said on Monday during an interview with ABC Radio that it was conceivable all current cases in Victoria could be traced back to outbreaks stemming from the government's hotel quarantine system. But he said on Tuesday that it was "not for him to say" whether all of the new cases were linked to outbreaks at hotels, and said the topic would be examined by the judicial inquiry. "That will be part of the purview of the inquiry as well, to look into tests," he said. The state government's decision not to publicise the data came on the same day Opposition Leader Michael O'Brien called for Health Minister Jenny Mikakos and Emergency Services Minister Lisa Neville to be removed from cabinet. The call for ministerial accountability was made in response to a report in The Age showing the Health Department and Emergency Management Victoria were warned in late March that private guards were ill-equipped to work at quarantine hotels, with bureaucrats advising that police step in. Premier Daniel Andrews declined to comment on the role of Ms Mikakos, the minister responsible for one of the two agencies in charge of the program. "I'm not going to run a commentary. I'm not going to have two processes at the same time: this sort of process [answering reporters' questions] and then a judicial inquiry. That doesn't make any sense," he said. "There have been some issues along the way, and we've been very clear about that … There had been reviews, there had been audits, if you like." Asked whether Ms Mikakos, who has not spoken publicly since Saturday, was being shielded from scrutiny, Mr Andrews replied: "No." Mr O'Brien said Mr Andrews needed to remove Ms Mikakos and Ms Neville from their positions because their agencies were warned of major problems at hotels by the Department of Jobs, Precincts and Regions in the days after the scheme's launch on March 28. "Today's leaked emails show the government knew about the problems at hotel quarantine on the very first day," he said. "They knew about it, they failed to act, they let the virus back into the community and now we're all facing this second wave. "Why didn't those ministers take action straight away? ... The public can have no confidence in the Health Minister or Police Minister to continue in their jobs." Every time I see (insert number) under investigation, usually in the hundreds, I think 'how many trace back to these hotels?'
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Redemption
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SCIENTIFIC FACT
Coronavirus particle is HALF the size of the SMALLEST PERFORATION on the BEST available masks. They are USELESS.
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ALL my posts are written as Sci-Fi, no different to an Orson Welles and should not be taken literally. Sci-fi is a genre of Fiction.
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Second Chance
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Talking about useless....
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max manewer
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Except one particle probably isn't a risk, and it is large viral load that overwhelms the immune system.
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TJMitchell
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We'll put masks on the list then Red. Right next to that wonder drug.
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Baghdad Bob
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Those leaked emails only confirm those Ministers in the Andrews ALP government should be sacked now, not when the judicial inquiry comes down with its findings in September. Andrews is protecting them by saying "all will be revealed in due course by the judicial inquiry". Unless they are sacked each will still draw down a minister's salary for another two and half months, but if they were sacked they would earn a back bencher's salary.
At the very least, they should not even be sitting in parliament with all havoc they have forced upon all Victorians.
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I see Dan is back to his nagging ways, threatening Stage 4 restrictions if we continue to be naughty.
But there's no official guide to what Stage 4 restrictions are.
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Second Chance
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Maybe so, however countries like NZ have previously introduced what is generally termed level 4 restriction.
This level of restriction includes the closure of schools and other educational facilities, and the closure of businesses except essential services such as supermarkets, pharmacies and medicalclinics. So now you know. |
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Yeah I'd already read that, thanks SC. My point was that Vic hasn't got any guidelines yet, even though we're being told we might move to them. Hopeless.
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maccamax
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NZ is no example ---- It's about the size of a USA Supermrarket car Park.
IMHO these Victorian numbers are acceptable at this stage and I would expect outbreaks , in NSW & Qld. The key figure is , few Hospitalised , few in ICU and two oldies have passed away. Australia loses 180000 people per year = , two thirds over 75. On those numbers --- people with the virus are our healthy ones .. |
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70 in hospital and 17 in ICU is concerning if it's going to keep getting worse though, macca.
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max manewer
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It is now revealed that people recovered from COVID, exhibit only temporary immunity, which fades dramatically after a few months. That appears to put the kybosh on herd immunity theories, and one wonders what implications that has for a vaccine.
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I wonder if people who have recovered from a bad bout of it first time round, and end up with damaged lungs, will ironically be more vulnerable than most the second time round?
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horlicks
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You would certainly think so stayer
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max manewer
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The more that emerges about COVID, the more insidious it begins to appear. It is hard to see a quick end to this. Or even any end.
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TJMitchell
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Kayla Braxton @KaylaBraxtonWWE Was keeping it quiet but since everyone else is sharing, I feel like it is my responsibility to share this PSA: YOU CAN GET COVID-19 MORE THAN ONCE! I had it back in early March and then thought I was invincible after I recovered. Not true. Dont be dumb like me. That was end of June
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maccamax
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We are prepared for some 8000 ICU and have near none. (17) All that has achieved is elective needs and others , are put on the back burner. Needless inconveniences and costly destruction to the economy and we have lost few to this Virus infections. Talking 2nd doses and Emphysema is not unusual following any Flu strain, . Most develop an immunity to the strain, but can be vulnerable to secondary infections while weakened. Rest assured , there has been many diseases thrust upon us over the years that have hit us harder than this one , without the hysterical reaction. |
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maccamax
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I would be more concerned about the gradual emerging of a few of the deadly Pandemics we experienced in the past ---- Still out there lurking in their factories that things like "yes" votes create.
---C/P :- HIV diagnoses in Indigenous Australian in Northern areas each year, but since 2014 there have been a total of 45 diagnoses, with two already this year. So why has an outbreak occurred in the Far North? A very large syphilis outbreak started in the Gulf Country of North-West Qld and rapidly spread north and east across to Cairns and has since caused infections in over 2500 Indigenous Australians in North Qld, the Northern Territory, Western Australia, and more recently in South Australia, including Adelaide. |
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