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Hard enough to breed a winner let alone combining rare colours! profile In Style was the 1st one here, I think.
This is all covered here:
https://forum.thoroughbredvillage.com.au/coloured-thoroughbreds_topic485_post5499.html?KW=coloured#5499

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Edited by Gay3 - 02 Jul 2023 at 8:48pm
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Profile In Style was also at Winning Colours back in the same time as Glacial Gold.
Anyone know where they are now ??
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Hello,
some years ago a "Coloured Thoroughbred" raced in my Homecountry. I needed some time to remember his name and it was "Silvery Moon". I told about him in this topic and mentioned he found a place as Sire in very wellknown and longestablished Stud, admittingly for Warmblodd and pure Arabians.

Just for fun I checked at "Pedquery", if he covered some Thorounghbredmares, yes he did. For understandable reasons it's a low number.  

One ped of the foals was quite stunning, the foal wasis already named Medulinek (by Silvery Moon, 2023) from damline of "All Along"and is bred 2x2 I was Framed! A very inbred ped.

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What colour is this beautiful weanling?

He is listed as Bay, but doesnt really have black points, and his tail looks chestnut. 

Is he possibly liver?

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Too early to tell.
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If he’s liver with flaxen mane and tail, I’ll buy him as a paddock ornament! Heart

Agree, too early to be sure but my guess is - 

Bay with gulastra plume:

Gulastra plume, also known as silver tail, is when a horse’s tail is a light flaxen/silver colour when there are no known genes present to turn the tail pale (i.e. silver). It's rare but when found, it is best seen on younger horses, and will often darken with age. It has a large range of expression from bold paleness to only a slight paleness. It is named after the Arabian stallion Gulastra who sired many gulastra plume foals though he himself was chestnut and his tail was not pale.

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Oh, so similar to rabicano? Skunk tail?

Wouldnt the black legs have come through already though SC? Should have come through with the first coat change. 
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Now you got me thinking, Quiz … I’ve seen several rabicano youngsters who had a reddish tinge to their coats and also didn’t have solid black points - more like black ticking in the points areas (if that makes sense Embarrassed) Wonder if it’s something to do with the gene whitewashing and diluting certain areas … then the points darken with age …

Damn, now I’ll have to go googling colour genetics (again) and could lose my mind for years LOL
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Luckily I fell asleep somewhere around EEaA - true story, I woke up and my browser page was on Agouti LOL

Looking closely again at the pic now, he does have that black shading around his knees, fetlocks and hocks. So I’ll call him bay. (Which means I could sneak him in here with all my other bays and no one will notice, right?Embarrassed)

In any case, please keep us updated on him, if you can Quiz. Would be great to stalk (follow, I meant follow) him. 
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looking at the picture there are black points on the leg.  Just covered by the winter coat.  Lots of Dundeels have that whitish tail.
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He looks a bit like a red dun, the frosting in the tail and can't tell but maybe in the mane, he has marbling of patchy black on the legs, interesting to know if there is a dorsal stripe too, but can't tell from this picture.
We had one here pre training with those marking they were quite striking, I think he was by Showtime. He did have a distinct dorsal stripe, his coat faded to a light chestnut in the summer.
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II didn't think I'd ever see this line going back several generstions, produce a winner albeit at Balaklava & only looked to see if Prince of Caviar had been mated back to his family.

Lady Kitsch (AUS) 2015
while in Australia this horse is deemed to be born in 2015 season
 Life Number: AUS01120658chestnut mareDate of Birth: 07/01/2016 
 Microchip Number: 985100012101564DNA Typed: Y 
 by Profile In Style (USA) 2005Contact: Ms R Lucey, SA  
 from Palomino Princess (AUS) 2011 
 bred by Miss K Anderson, WA 
Official Australian Stud Book Pedigree
Ellusive Quest (USA) 2000
Sonny's Solo Halo (USA) 1984
Patchy Lassy (USA) 1989
Profile In Style (USA) 2006
Foal ref: EL:20140124
Dance Dub L (USA) 1997
Shantariat (USA) 1982
Dance Spot (USA) 1992
Lady Kitsch (AUS) 2015
Foal ref: :
Glacial Gold (USA) 2008
Gold Bayou T B (CAN) 2004
Shimmering Gold (USA) 2002
Palomino Princess (AUS) 2011
Foal ref: 43:1174
Red Trid (AUS) 2002
Keltrice (AUS) 1990
Bassie's Pride (AUS) 1986

Blue Isles (AUS) 2022
 Life Number: AUS01266914bay or brown fillyDate of Birth: 26/09/2022 
 Microchip Number: 985125000134677DNA Typed: Y 
 by Prince Of Caviar (AUS) 2015 
 from Lady Kitsch (AUS) 2015 
 bred by Ms R Lucey, SA 
Official Australian Stud Book Pedigree
Sebring (AUS) 2005
More Than Ready (USA) 1997
Purespeed (AUS) 1998
Prince Of Caviar (AUS) 2015
Foal ref: :
Black Caviar (AUS) 2006
Bel Esprit (AUS) 1999
Helsinge (AUS) 2001
Blue Isles (AUS) 2022
Foal ref: :
Profile In Style (USA) 2006
Ellusive Quest (USA) 2000
Dance Dub L (USA) 1997
Lady Kitsch (AUS) 2015
Foal ref: :
Palomino Princess (AUS) 2011
Glacial Gold (USA) 2008
Red Trid (AUS) 2002

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Blimey! Never thought I’d see this day! Thanks Gay - not much gets past you Wink
Is that the first winner of this line?
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Hello,
some years ago, a very coloured thoroughbred named "Silvery Moon" was running in Germany. In earlier posts in the thread I mentioned his name.

Just out of curiosity I looked up his ped again and Blue Isles. Here I see a a similarity
between both peds.

I was Framed (Silvery Moon) and Profile in Style (Blue Isles) are 3/4 relatives.
It would be a 2x3 cross of 3/4 relative. I would say close but not too close.

I know it will never happen because there is a very looooong distance between
Germany and AUS.

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It looks like she's the only one to race from that dam line with the colt to come.
That's incredible Ticino, the world of TBs gets progressively smaller, especially with help from the interne
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2025not served in 2024
202402/09chcolt29/09/2023Prince Of Caviar (AUS)parentage verified
2023not served in 2022
202226/09b or brfillyBlue IslesPrince Of Caviar (AUS)

2017no mare return
2016no mare return
201507/01chfillyLady KitschProfile In Style (USA)
mare dropped out 01/08/2018
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I forgot about I Was Framed and Silvery Moon - thanks Ticino!

I had to watch the replay after seeing your post Gay. Was anticipating something excitingly blingy … but no, Blue Isles is a very plain brown/bay. Must have got her colour and racing ability from dad’s side LOL
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This is what makes some of us hate this though BP, the fact this horse is a plain bay, she is still an overo carrier. 
Say in a few years the owner breeds her to a plain coloured stallion without really looking and knowing the pedigree (it does happen), and it is bred to something that carries the PIS or his sons etc lines, the foal s a chance to come out lethal white and die a horrific death.
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I remember seeing Glacial Gold, out at the coloured stud owned by the lady called Peta.
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Originally posted by QuizAbout QuizAbout wrote:

This is what makes some of us hate this though BP
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You all know how much time I’ve frittered on colour genetics; fascinating stuff Embarrassed but breeding only for colour is one of my pet hates - the curse of many breeds. Not just the deliberate introduction of lethal genes but the weakening of conformation, breed standard and purpose. Coffee #2 and I’m getting riled up already … LOL
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Was that Winning Colours Farm, aa?

I always wanted to go there just for a sticky-beak WinkLOL
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Well I get riled about breeding for the yearling sales instead of trying for the best mating for your mare.  So we all get upset about something.  Mind you I realise with the expense of breeding they want a good return.  But surely a suitable mating is the best anyway.
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My first thought was dark brown/red....but what would I know ? 

When it comes to the colour of thoroughbreds, I've been confused for years

A d I believe the studbook is too

Eg: Lonhro, I always thought of him as black, plain a m d simple. But the studbook always had him as a Blk/b (black/bay) Now I see they have him as black.

His sire Octagonal I always considered bay yet the Studbook has him as brown.

Octagonal's sire Zabeel is bay as agreed upon by both myself and Stubbook, but how is it that Zabeel can be bay yet Octagonal brown ?
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Talking about back legs, how would you rate our  curious coloured friend ?
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Originally posted by brave_ponies brave_ponies wrote:

Was that Winning Colours Farm, aa?

I always wanted to go there just for a sticky-beak WinkLOL

Missed this post Ponies.  Yes Winning Colours. Out in the sticks Bathurst way.  Some years ago now. Dont think Glacial Gold is there now ? And blowed if I can recall the very showy stallion,s name. 
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Thats it !!  Just looked back thru this and there he is.
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Does anyone know has the stud book done anything about noting the lethal gene in some matings yet ? 
I know a lot of TB people who have still never heard of it.  A friend foaled down a mare and she had a foal born with a hole in its forehead and the brain could be seen. Pretty terrible . 
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I'm guessing the Stud Book are too busy making money off breeders with ridiculous fees to worry about something as 'minor' as lethal white.
Horrible enough when someone breeds a horse knowing about it; must be devastating when you don't know.
Some registries won't allow a horse if it carries certain genes that are fatal or compromise the breed, but as usual the ASB are centuries behind Angry

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BM11, the stud book has no idea and, as far as I know, the horse's colour is simply whatever is on the paperwork submitted.
E.g. they still haven't got the memo (proven by science) that a grey must have at least one grey parent; a chestnut cannot be made from two bays; bay, brown and black are genetically not the same; etc. Confused

Accurate colour descriptions matter even less now with microchipping but it drives my OCD crazy.
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Well your supposed to get only blue from blue eyed people.  We have half blue or blue grey and half with hazel green grey mix.  Luckily all the ones with the funny mixes are the ones who took after their father!  Strange things can happen sometimes.  Both of us had a mix of blue and hazel eyed parents.
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