Climate Change - Global Warming..

Whale wrote: I have $2 million at hand but it is my horse racing bank so I can't have a bet with you Hatch

           You say I am an idiot ,Fiddly has me as a liar , I must be easy picking , the bet can be if I have the money on hand , and what Fiddly was wanting to bet .    Don't be wimps I might be bluffing.

Ahhh Hatch. Never let the facts get in the way of a good story.
Using one of the hottest years on record as a baseline , is where the likes of Bob Carter make their money. I doubt Hatch ever donated but he's free to be as wrong as he is, at least Hatch isn't doing it for money.
1998 represented a 0.63 anomaly only 2005 and 10 were above that trend. Every year post has been 0.62 to 0.57. He presto, its not getting warmer than 1998, yet we all know it is. El Nino and his friends were in action in 98 yet when the reverse flow occurred we kept increasing in temps.
Its a common misconception that's repeated ad infinitum by the denialists as STATISTICALLY speaking (using 98 as the base or start line) correct.
Hatch its high time you answered my questions as you seem pretty keen on attacking the seams to unravel the thread, do you enjoy any energy saving devices or insulation in your home? A solar panel?

Can someone please post the articles , global warming in the last 15 years ,there is multiple sites ,   just type that ,global warming in the last 15 years , Fiddly doesn't want to do it,    also type in scientists baffled by increasing sea ice in the Antarctic .

Already done baffled, I told you that. Its currents and Antarctica is a land mass.
The globe HAS WARMED in the last 15 years. That's fact.
Take it away NASA.....
Global temperature rise

All three major global surface temperature reconstructions show that Earth has warmed since 1880.5 Most of this warming has occurred since the 1970s, with the 20 warmest years having occurred since 1981 and with all 10 of the warmest years occurring in the past 12 years.6 Even though the 2000s witnessed a solar output decline resulting in an unusually deep solar minimum in 2007-2009, surface temperatures continue to increase

Hatch we have warmed but 98 was a REAL hot one, and that is being used as the BASELINE. So when measuring the past 15 years -which is half of the usual time span measured- 98 stands out ONLY FOR INCREASE in temp for a solar year.
So if you start a graph measuring EACH years increase 1998 starting of course , its almost a flat line.
Measure it in average temperature and 10 out of the last 12 are the warmest.
Its a massively skewed INDIVIDUAL statistic twisted to provide financial gain and pilloried widely.

We have been down this path before...however Bagman wants to be critical of Hatch re the baselines he uses to make a point (1998, 2005). Well as I understand it temperatures have been rising since the end of "the little ice age" (1850)...& temperatures being experienced now are still cooler than 90% of the time over the past 10,000 years...the majority of which were not influenced man shoving CO2 into the air. Furthermore, 2013 IPCC report seems to have problems explaining the flat lining of temperatures over the past 16 years vs. considerable increase in CO2 concentrations...& seem reticent to tackle this point in the latest report. What is becoming more widely accepted is the correlation of cosmic ray activity ( from the Suns sunspots)& temperature. This solar activity has been the greatest in the past 50 years since the last medieval warmth 1,000 years ago...until recently when sunspots reverted to a "grand minimum" re activity.
Bottom line the IPPC case seems to be falling down around them...but they won't be admitting to that anytime soon...not until the next "disaster theory" comes along anyway...gotta keep themselves employed !

You are hilarious Oneonesit.
You argue FOR using data from 1998 yet argue for data from 1850 no less.
Again someone argues against themselves and doesn't even know it. Your lack of knowledge on temperature records on a global scale beggars belief.
Since 1850 .... honestly you guys are dead ends.
Se la Guerre....

You see Bagman not everyone has to agree with you...that's life. This topic is hotly contested all around the world...yet you refer to me as a goose because I see "the facts" differently to how you see them...again...get over it. You always seem to be so full of facts...but to my mind you lack basic logic. If the planet has experienced hotter temperatures than present for 90% of the last 10,000 years...what are we on about. Anyhow take your marble bag & go home !

I am still trying to see any fact differently Oneonesit.
Gravity. Check.
Stars up and Sun down? Check.
Your a belligerent who will make any excuse to deny facts? ........

Bagman wrote: I am still trying to see any fact differently Oneonesit. Gravity. Check. Stars up and Sun down? Check. Your a belligerent who will make any excuse to deny facts? ........

Could not even last 10 min could you Bagman...make the big statements then back you come to weasel your way back into the thread... & by the way...that's a fact !

You may ridicule away as I still believe there is a point to be put up and I acted as I suggested.
I may however been proven correct by your last effort.
So, thanks.

oneonesit wrote: You see Bagman not everyone has to agree with you...that's life. This topic is hotly contested all around the world...yet you refer to me as a goose because I see "the facts" differently to how you see them...again...get over it. You always seem to be so full of facts...but to my mind you lack basic logic. If the planet has experienced hotter temperatures than present for 90% of the last 10,000 years...what are we on about. Anyhow take your marble bag & go home !

So BD's temperature graph on page 19 of this thread is hocus pocus Judge ?

JudgeHolden wrote: The line "the planet has experienced hotter temperatures than present for 90% of the last 10,000 years", where did you get it from. And where is the science that supports it?

Well I did not get it from that creditable, unbiased site called "HOTWHOPPER" that's for sure...they go onto to say that no one knows temperatures pre a few hundred years ago...then goes on to make statements about historic temperatures anyway. So are you saying scientists don't know the temperature history of this planet Judge ? Yes / no !

Straight from Wikipedia...Medieval Warm Period...."lasting from about AD 950 till 1250"..."temperatures were probably between 0.1 c & 0.2 c below the 1961 to 1990 mean"...."temperatures in some regions appear to have matched or exceeded recent temperatures in these regions"

Certainly won't see those "facts" repeated by HOTWHOPPER...bit too close for comfort that information !

And on your little red herring, while the Medieval Warm Period saw unusually warm temperatures in some regions, globally the planet was cooler than current conditions.