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No crystal ball needed Bobby, just dont read the HS and watch Sky for your news, and you might know what is going on.


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Headed for the third week in November. 

Anyone reckon we have had a hotter than normal lead into Summer here in Sydney ?

Na - didn't think so !
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The entire Murdoch army of Big Liars are raving in unison on the save the whales hoax scientific study. Trump, Carlson, Dean, Canavan, Dutton - all of the scumbags.
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Yes - but has it been unusually hot in Sydney ?

Remember all the doomsday heat predictions a few months back Confused
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It's mid spring.
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Since when is 76 out of 91 classed as "mid" ?  Confused
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the seasons have shifted to be later, they have been doing it for decades now, summer now drags on well into March & April, summer doesn't really start till Jan any more, December can be quite cool and xmas days can often be so as well. 
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An industry-wide change to cars in the 1980s appears to have virtually stopped decades of rising toxic gas levels across the Southern Hemisphere and led to an unintended benefit to the world's climate, new research shows.  

A team of international researchers has plotted a complete history of carbon monoxide concentrations over Antarctica dating back 3,000 years, using ice core data as well as more recent atmospheric measurements.

Carbon monoxide is a toxic gas and pollutant. It is also considered an "indirect" greenhouse gas, because it helps to increase the lifetime of methane in the atmosphere.

Led by the French National Centre for Scientific Research and Australia's national science agency CSIRO, the map shows carbon monoxide levels rapidly rising above their centuries-long average from about the 1940s.

CSIRO atmospheric scientist David Etheridge said it fell in line with a major change to the automotive industry — the introduction of the catalytic converter.

"Catalytic converters were introduced quite rapidly within about a decade, largely across most of the global fleet of petrol engines," Dr Etheridge said.

"And despite the fact the number of vehicles being driven around the world has increased enormously over the past three decades or so, the emissions have been pulled down remarkably."

Introduction of the catalytic converter

A catalytic converter is an exhaust emission control device that converts toxic gases, like carbon monoxide, into less-toxic pollutants.They were first installed in cars in California, and subsequently throughout the rest of the world, during the mid-1970s and 80s to reduce local smog and other pollutants.

Th e changes took place in Australia from 1986, when stricter emission control laws on hydrocarbons, carbon monoxide, and nitrous oxide were introduced for new cars.

It's a change former Holden project engineer Warwick Bryce remembers well."It was all to clean the atmosphere up," he said.

"You had soot and deposits and all that sort of stuff making buildings dirty and grey, and brown clouds over your sky, so it was really the visual pollution and the harmful effects of unclean air."

At the time, Mr Bryce was working in engine design and development.

He gave a lecture in 1980 in which he said catalytic converters and unleaded fuel were among the best technology options available should stricter emissions controls be introduced in Australia."In one fell swoop catalytic converter technology, used in conjunction with electronic fuel injection, reduced emissions of both hydrocarbons and carbon monoxide coming out the tailpipe by 95 per cent, and for nitrous oxide by 90 per cent of what the engine was producing, while at the same time fuel consumption was improved," he said.

Mr Bryce said, as someone who had been involved in the change, learning the impact of those actions decades later was "very interesting".

"Obviously I hadn't been wasting all my time then, if that's the case," he said.

Similar observations have been made with Northern Hemisphere carbon monoxide concentrations.

A secondary climate benefit

There was always an expectation that the implementation of catalytic converters, and other emissions control devices, would reduce carbon monoxide concentrations at a local level.But Dr Etheridge said the fact that it changed the background levels as far away as Antarctica and that it had benefited the climate on a global scale was "probably not expected".

"I think it sheds a light on the fact that a measure that was put in place to affect local pollution actually had a much broader global hemispheric impact," he said.

"And at the time, it probably wasn't understood that it would also have a climate benefit."

Methane is an extremely potent greenhouse gas, which has even higher global warming potential than carbon dioxide due to its efficiency in trapping heat.

Carbon monoxide indirectly increases the amount of methane in the atmosphere by reducing the abundance of hydroxyl — a natural "detergent" that helps scrub out gases like methane — from the atmosphere.The overall benefit to the climate still needs to be quantified and will form part of the "next study", according to Dr Etheridge.

That study would aim to properly attribute what caused the toxic gas levels to stop rising and would examine whether the trend could be maintained in the future.

Although catalytic converters do reduce carbon monoxide by converting it to carbon dioxide, Dr Etheridge said the CO2 emissions created were so small they would not outweigh the benefits to the climate.

A rare positive climate story

Dr Etheridge said stories like this, where human interaction had led to a clear and measurable positive difference in the context of climate, did not come around often in his field.

"We have to deliver the science as we do it, and they're not all good news stories," he said.

"But there are some, and they're really good news stories, when we see that we've created a benefit and I think that's important [for people to see]."The other shining example, he said, was the Montreal Protocol for the Protection of the Ozone Layer.

Ahead of the United Nations Climate Change Conference in Dubai (COP28), Dr Etheridge said he hoped it could send a "powerful message" to policymakers and the public, that there was still "some control available" when science, government, and industry combined.

"This is going to be a hell of a lot harder with the main greenhouse gases," he said.

"It’s almost relatively trivial to just address one gas, carbon monoxide, which is controlled really well with catalysts.

"But I think it's encouraging to see it's not all bad news, but the task ahead is enormous, and we've got to see some action very soon."

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And then CHINA entered the market and it all went to ......rubbish.
With all their coal fired manufacturing factories.
And they are still putting them up!
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Just wonder how Australian roads are going to hold up, with the newer electric cars heavier than the cars we have ?  Roads in a lot of country areas keep breaking down now, every time it rains heavy.  How will they go with heavier cars on them ?
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Originally posted by acacia alba acacia alba wrote:

Just wonder how Australian roads are going to hold up, with the newer electric cars heavier than the cars we have ?  Roads in a lot of country areas keep breaking down now, every time it rains heavy.  How will they go with heavier cars on them ?

I think the bigger worry is crashes and the impacts and what happens when these batteries are blown apart and explode on impact in collisions ? 
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Ben Fordham doing his best to become the next Alan Jones.
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Originally posted by Afros Afros wrote:

Ben Fordham doing his best to become the next Alan Jones.

This, and the worst part he is still young, prolly still has 30 odd years to perfect his bile. 
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Why do these type of gobshytes seem to pop up a lot more on the conservative side of politics? Is it simply because rusted on conservative voters are easier to whip up into a frenzy of fear?  They've really only got Waleed Aly to shout at from the left but there is quite a few on the right, led by the likes of Jones, Bolt and Credlin, Fordham seeming to be putting his best foot forward to join them, along with fellow gobshytes in parliament such as Hanson, Roberts, Anning and more recently Rennick and Boyce.
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They like “triggering” blokes just like yourself Afros

Try not to overthink it LOL
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I think its more about triggering people like bobby, retired conservatives, its more about generating clicks, which generate advertising income.
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Originally posted by Afros Afros wrote:

Why do these type of gobshytes seem to pop up a lot more on the conservative side of politics? Is it simply because rusted on conservative voters are easier to whip up into a frenzy of fear?  They've really only got Waleed Aly to shout at from the left but there is quite a few on the right, led by the likes of Jones, Bolt and Credlin, Fordham seeming to be putting his best foot forward to join them, along with fellow gobshytes in parliament such as Hanson, Roberts, Anning and more recently Rennick and Boyce.

Funny how all those you mention are actually very dislikable people in general, what is it about right wingers that makes you instantly loathe them ? the condescending sneering tones and racial/gay sarcasm dressed up as humour, very cold hearted people. 
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Funny that...I have the same reaction to those on the loony left, Albanese, Kavalas, Tingle, The Guardian, second chance.....
But for balance, I endure.
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And don’t forget Adam Bandt, quality bloke Tongue
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All I know is I don't want Australia pulled apart by he us and them.  We are all Australian.  

AA look at all the little things you do to help the country.  Recyling, using the correct rubbish bin, turning the tap off while you clean your teeth, using unleaded fuel and unleaded paint and non lead pipes for your water.  We don't use abestos matterials now - big learning curve once we found out the side effects.  People are learning about better ways and products for kitchen benches to stop similar lung complaints.

We all travel exceedingly slowly through school zones but then who wants to hit a child doing the wrong thing.

It's not hard to see changes matter.  And they come about because of a very good reason.  Try to find the positive.  I know I sometimes struggle with somethings also (I've always done it this way and it's hard to change) but we are living in a time of enormous change and maybe that is something we have to live through so our grandchildren still have a world worth living in.


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That said I'll still oppose a greens council idea to fence in creeks on farmland!  That one just makes no sense.
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Originally posted by furious furious wrote:

All I know is I don't want Australia pulled apart by he us and them.  We are all Australian.  

AA look at all the little things you do to help the country.  Recyling, using the correct rubbish bin, turning the tap off while you clean your teeth, using unleaded fuel and unleaded paint and non lead pipes for your water.  We don't use abestos matterials now - big learning curve once we found out the side effects.  People are learning about better ways and products for kitchen benches to stop similar lung complaints.

We all travel exceedingly slowly through school zones but then who wants to hit a child doing the wrong thing.

It's not hard to see changes matter.  And they come about because of a very good reason.  Try to find the positive.  I know I sometimes struggle with somethings also (I've always done it this way and it's hard to change) but we are living in a time of enormous change and maybe that is something we have to live through so our grandchildren still have a world worth living in.



All of that is well and good here, but only 12 million of us doing these things, the rest are children or old people, billions of others around the world couldn't give a toss and live day to day on the margins of survival. 
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That said I'll still oppose a greens council idea to fence in creeks on farmland!  That one just makes no sense.

I'd suggest its to prevent feral pigs, water buffalo and other invasive animals from trashing the water ways and polluting downstream.
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No it was down the south coast on cousins farm.  Only live stock were his sheep and cows.  
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not a pig or water buffalo in site. It just made it hard to water his livestock so he sold out!
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Well if we don't do something how are anyone else going to change.  People are people.  We want to do what we always have.  I feel the same.  But to many of us are going our own way.  It doesn't work in the long run.  You either pull together or fall apart.

My generation look at all the troubles in the world and say we had it better.  Well it was certainly simpler than bringing up this next generation.  But things weren't always rosy either.  We tend to remember the good before the bad. 

 I don't know the answer any more than the next person.  I sometimes think even the experts don't have a clue.  But whatever is tried for what ever reason (some better than others) it's worth a shot at a cleaner ocean.  Less drainage on our dams.  Cleaner air etc etc.  I don't want to witness more messes like Lismore floods or firestorms which take all before them.  I'd rather listen to the old aborigine elder and find another way to manage our cycles of woe.

Even without weather getting worst doing the above help us have better lives.  I don't want to live in smog etc.
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I'm not sure indigenous folk have answers to problems white man has created, problems that are so big it's beyond us all probably..
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The Hypocrisy of COP28 being held in the UAE, the biggest oil merchants in the universe are telling others we must cut emissions..Confused 
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