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oneonesit
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That's true. However at the moment the vast majority of Body Corporates are sitting back on this issue - not prepared to commit. The most fundamental question is whether super charged EV access will be widely available on public streets. Bit like the chicken or the egg going on.
My belief is by the time the infrastructure is in place - whatever that will end up being - the novelty, reality & myth of its true advantage to the Global Climate will start to bite.
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There was a powerful horse and buggy lobby in 1900 too.
Cant sit about fretting over what Luddites think about stuff.
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Tlazolteotl
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Did the Tories oppose the introduction of electricity? I will have to look that up.
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There would have been a huge candle industry put in jeopardy because of electricity.
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jujuno
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Electric cars also have a switch to petrol option. |
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Desert War, Rain Lover, Latin Knight, Hay List, Mustard...my turf heroes...
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oneonesit
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Well time will tell. One thing is pretty clear to me though - if the transition even goes anyway near significantly improving the "Global Climate" - the same activists pushing for it now will find a reason to poo poo in the future.
Why ? Because if the problem is solved they aren't relevant anymore. Another example could be your obsession with Trump PT. If he died tomorrow you'd be back chewing the fat with Rusty, Afros , Djebel & Jamal in the Best Horse Ever thread. Or even worse - the Tasmanian Tipping thread with Second Chance ! Just refer Grace & Indigenous Affairs in this country - great example of activists who really don't ever want to solve their issues.
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How many sealed roads were there in 1900?
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Earth’s atmosphere reacted in surprising ways to the lowering of emissions during the pandemic, showing how closely climate warming and air pollution are linked. The COVID-19 pandemic and resulting limitations on travel and other economic sectors by countries around the globe drastically decreased air pollution and greenhouse gas emissions within just a few weeks. That sudden change gave scientists an unprecedented view of results that would take regulations years to achieve. A comprehensive new survey of the effects of the pandemic on the atmosphere, using satellite data from NASA and other international space agencies, reveals some unexpected findings. The study also offers insights into addressing the dual threats of climate warming and air pollution. “We’re past the point where we can think of these as two separate problems,” said Joshua Laughner, lead author of the new study and a postdoctoral fellow at Caltech in Pasadena, California. “To understand what is driving changes to the atmosphere, we must consider how air quality and climate influence each other.” Published Nov. 9 in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, the paper grew from a workshop sponsored by Caltech’s W.M. Keck Institute for Space Studies, led by scientists at that institution and at the Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Southern California, which is managed by Caltech. Participants from about 20 U.S. and international universities, federal and state agencies, and laboratories pinpointed four atmospheric components for in-depth study: the two most important greenhouse gases, carbon dioxide and methane; and two air pollutants, nitrogen oxides and microscopic nitrate particles. more... http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/emission-reductions-from-pandemic-had-unexpected-effects-on-atmosphere |
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oneonesit
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Can you just imagine all those like minded people ""from about 20 US & International universities, federal & state agencies, & laboratories" actually coming up with findings that didn't support what they did in life to support themselves. It would be like asking Al Capone to comment on the evils of crime
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oneonesit
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I am convinced this period in history will be looked back on as a time we were absolutely hoodwinked. If the consequences - esp to countries like Australia - weren't so disastrous - it would actually be laughable !
Not unlike how we now review religious beliefs / practices from a few hundred years back. You know - heretic's burnt at the stake type stuff !
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Tlazolteotl
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I thought climate science deniers were extinct.
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oneonesit
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Not quite Tlaz.
In fact i reckon the tide is starting to turn - the deniers are almost the trendy ones now
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rusty nails
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Haha, the deniers would think that!
It’s just opponents have stopped engaging with them, and just view them with pity/scorn.
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oneonesit
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Anyhow Rusty - no need to worry anymore now Anthony is running the show. He is very results orientated.
Coal & gas exports will continue to grow into the future. This will mean countries will continue to increase emissions & we wont be blamed for it. That's good yeah ? In the meantime, we will spend a fortune transitioning to green technologies here in Australia in order to meet our 43% emission reduction target (pulled from a random throw at a dart board) - & once achieved can celebrate the impact that it makes on the Global Emission Levels (that being bugger all ) I seem to be missing the logic to the above - however I'm sure Chris Bowen, or Adam Brandt , or the Teals will explain where I have got it wrong |
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Oneone, do you think it would be easier for Albo if he just secretly made himself Minister for everything and bypassed his Cabinet?
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oneonesit
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Possibly - as he doesn't come across as someone prepared to make unpopular decisions. He has this spend, spend, spend mentality - probably because it keeps everyone onside with him. I ask again - what has he actually done to save money for the country ? The bottom-less pit strategy is a bit like a pyramid marketing scheme - it catches up with you in the end.
Not hard to give money away. Getting it back is the hard bit
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Budget in a few weeks and it is anticipated the new govt will cut the deficit by $35-40 billion. Doesn't sound like a big spending mob that might for instance run up a Trillion Dollar debt.
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rusty nails
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Previous mob showed that!!!! Tell us again the National derby the coalition started with, and what they finished with
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oneonesit
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A few short memories in TBV. Once in a 100 year pandemic. Australia given accolades as a world leader in managing same. Some wanting Govt stimulus programs to be improved & lengthened if my memory serves me correctly.
Can you just imagine the ALP at the helm back then. The mind boggles at the prospect. Bill getting toweled up was a blessing in disguise for the country.
Deary me - as a genuine swinging voter i can say these things without fear of being accused of being biased. You need Onetwosit, Onethreesit & a few more "sits" on here |
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The fossil fuel industry knew about the greenhouse effect 60 years ago. What Big Oil knew about climate change in 1959https://www.greenbiz.com/article/what-big-oil-knew-about-climate-change-1959 1959 - petroleum conference - Edward Teller "Whenever you burn conventional fuel," Teller explained,
"you create carbon dioxide. … Its presence in the atmosphere causes a
greenhouse effect." If the world kept using fossil fuels, the ice caps
would begin to melt, raising sea levels. Eventually, "all the coastal
cities would be covered," he warned. 1965 - annual meeting of the American Petroleum Institute - Frank Ikard, President "The substance of the report," Ikard told the industry audience,
"is that there is still time to save the world’s peoples from the
catastrophic consequences of pollution, but time is running out. ... One
of the most important predictions of the report is that carbon dioxide
is being added to the earth’s atmosphere by the burning of coal, oil,
and natural gas at such a rate that by the year 2000 the heat balance
will be so modified as possibly to cause marked changes in climate." 1981 - Roger Cohen - Exxon executive The company’s long-term business plans could "produce effects which will
indeed be catastrophic (at least for a substantial fraction of the
earth’s population)." "The next year, Exxon completed a comprehensive, 40-page internal report on climate change, which predicted almost exactly the amount of global warming we’ve seen, as well as sea level rise, drought and more. According to the front page of the report, it was "given wide circulation to Exxon management" but was "not to be distributed externally." And Exxon did keep it secret: We know of the report’s existence only because investigative journalists at Inside Climate News uncovered it in 2015." "In 1986, Dutch oil company Shell finished an internal report nearly 100 pages long, predicting that global warming from fossil fuels would cause changes that would be "the greatest in recorded history," including "destructive floods," abandonment of entire countries and even forced migration around the world. That report was stamped "CONFIDENTIAL" and only brought to light in 2018 by Jelmer Mommers, a Dutch journalist." Back in 1979, Exxon had privately studied options for avoiding global warming. It found that with immediate action, if the industry moved away from fossil fuels and instead focused on renewable energy, fossil fuel pollution could start to decline in the 1990s and a major climate crisis could be avoided. But the industry didn’t pursue that path. Instead, colleagues and I recently found that in the late 1980s, Exxon and other oil companies coordinated a global effort to dispute climate science, block fossil fuel controls and keep their products flowing. We know about it through internal documents and the words of industry insiders, who are beginning to share what they saw with the public. We also know that in 1989, the fossil fuel industry created something called the Global Climate Coalition — but it wasn’t an environmental group as the name suggests; instead, it worked to sow doubt about climate change and lobbied lawmakers to block clean energy legislation and climate treaties throughout the 1990s. |
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We can be confident Scummo didn't secretly swear himself in as Climate Change Minister. They never had one.
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oneonesit
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Wow - 3% compound annual growth forecast for our oil & gas over the next 5 years (approx 74% exported). Coal exports are also predicted to increase from 171 million tonnes to 184 million tonnes over a similar period (not sure about local)
Question - are we not kidding ourselves in this country. We are heading in the wrong direction https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-04-04/australian-coal-exports-to-break-record/100964414#:~:text=The%20report%20shows%20Australia's%20metallurgical,million%20tonnes%20by%202026%E2%80%9327.
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What's the use of meeting a 43% emissions reduction target in 2030 locally if the reality is you have increased oil, gas & coal mining significantly approaching that date
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I predict Scommo's legendary hot wind of baloney will have nothing on Anthony explaining Climate Change target outcomes as time goes on.
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So - now we have Uluru being sorted as number 1 priority on Election night - with the Number 2 commitment being that of improving our Global Climate response.
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China is the biggest producer of renewable energy(wind solar) in the world and President Joey yesterday signed into law the US the biggest climate bill in history, $369billion.
As with what we are doing it is a signal for investors and business to get onboard. Investors flock to green energy funds as Congress passes climate bill. What to know as assets reach ‘new territory’ |
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The facts can be seen in this report. Set for China - can check out for any country by just typing in.
Shows renewables currently 16% - fossil fuel the rest. That ratio has only changed a few % over the past 5 years |
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