Thoroughbred Village Home Page. Free horse racing tips at Villagebet.com.au. Contact The Mayor by email: Click Here.
Forum Home Forum Home > All Sports - Public Forums > Joffs All Sports Bar
  New Posts New Posts RSS Feed - Caster Semenya
  FAQ FAQ  Forum Search   Events   Register Register  Login Login


OldGill.com.au

Caster Semenya

 Post Reply Post Reply Page  123 4>
Author
Message
Tlazolteotl View Drop Down
Champion
Champion
Avatar

Joined: 02 Oct 2012
Location: Elephant Butte
Status: Offline
Points: 38928
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Tlazolteotl Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Topic: Caster Semenya
    Posted: 05 Jul 2017 at 10:36am
She's not a woman: she is intersex. If they want to run intersex events at the Olympics, fine, but her running against women is a joke. If high testosterone levels aren't a problem let's make all the events open.
Back to Top
Passing Through View Drop Down
Champion
Champion
Avatar

Joined: 09 Jan 2013
Location: At home
Status: Offline
Points: 95527
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Passing Through Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Jul 2017 at 10:39am
Has that just been swirling around in your head and needed to come out today, or is there some context to this?
Back to Top
Tlazolteotl View Drop Down
Champion
Champion
Avatar

Joined: 02 Oct 2012
Location: Elephant Butte
Status: Offline
Points: 38928
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Tlazolteotl Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Jul 2017 at 10:46am
Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

Has that just been swirling around in your head and needed to come out today, or is there some context to this?

The geniuses in charge of athletics have just definitively proven the bleeding obvious- high testosterone levels increase performance- dur. You could work that out by looking at Semenya's career. When she takes hormones to reduce her testosterone to the same level as the women her performances drop off.


Back to Top
Passing Through View Drop Down
Champion
Champion
Avatar

Joined: 09 Jan 2013
Location: At home
Status: Offline
Points: 95527
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Passing Through Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Jul 2017 at 11:22am
Is there some irony in people being forced to take drugs in sport in order to compete?
Back to Top
Whale View Drop Down
Champion
Champion
Avatar

Joined: 01 Jun 2009
Location: Potts Point
Status: Offline
Points: 47322
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Whale Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Jul 2017 at 4:43pm
Well Tiaz has shown in previous threads he is threatened by strong women
Declaration of Independence, signed after The Civil War. Trump said so.
Back to Top
maccamax View Drop Down
Champion
Champion


Joined: 19 Jun 2010
Status: Offline
Points: 41470
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote maccamax Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Jul 2017 at 4:58pm
One thing can't be denied.
   TBV is always good for a laugh .   Great actually.
Where would we be without a few Whales.
Even attracts Sarah Hanson Young

Not much whoomb at whales place or he wouldn't be putting adds on the
dating sites.

( whoomb is the correct spelling too , whale )
Back to Top
djebel View Drop Down
Premium
Premium
Avatar

Joined: 07 Mar 2007
Status: Offline
Points: 56200
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote djebel Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Jul 2017 at 5:09pm
Originally posted by Tlazolteotl Tlazolteotl wrote:

Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

Has that just been swirling around in your head and needed to come out today, or is there some context to this?


The geniuses in charge of athletics have just definitively proven the bleeding obvious- high testosterone levels increase performance- dur. You could work that out by looking at Semenya's career. When she takes hormones to reduce her testosterone to the same level as the women her performances drop off.





This is why colts are 6 lengths better than heldings.


reductio ad absurdum
Back to Top
ThreeBears View Drop Down
Champion
Champion


Joined: 13 Apr 2017
Status: Offline
Points: 2911
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote ThreeBears Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Jul 2017 at 5:12pm

Does she have a female reproductive system theoretically capable of giving birth? I reckon that's all that matters when it comes to being declared a female athlete in this age of gender fluidity.

So what if she produces more testosterone naturally than other women? Genetic freaks are entitled to the advantages nature provided them with.

Back to Top
djebel View Drop Down
Premium
Premium
Avatar

Joined: 07 Mar 2007
Status: Offline
Points: 56200
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote djebel Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Jul 2017 at 5:16pm
We agree.

reductio ad absurdum
Back to Top
Tlazolteotl View Drop Down
Champion
Champion
Avatar

Joined: 02 Oct 2012
Location: Elephant Butte
Status: Offline
Points: 38928
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Tlazolteotl Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Jul 2017 at 5:19pm
Originally posted by ThreeBears ThreeBears wrote:

Does she have a female reproductive system theoretically capable of giving birth? I reckon that's all that matters when it comes to being declared a female athlete in this age of gender fluidity.

So what if she produces more testosterone naturally than other women? Genetic freaks are entitled to the advantages nature provided them with.


She has no ovaries or womb- she has testes.
Back to Top
Tlazolteotl View Drop Down
Champion
Champion
Avatar

Joined: 02 Oct 2012
Location: Elephant Butte
Status: Offline
Points: 38928
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Tlazolteotl Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Jul 2017 at 5:24pm
Women without testes can't beat women with testes- FACT.Pinch The women without testes may as well give up if the women with testes are in the same race.
Back to Top
maccamax View Drop Down
Champion
Champion


Joined: 19 Jun 2010
Status: Offline
Points: 41470
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote maccamax Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Jul 2017 at 5:34pm
Hermaphrodite ...       has Balls but they are in the abdomen .
No female gear to re produce ...       
Not truly male or female ..           Difficult aye
Back to Top
Dr E View Drop Down
Champion
Champion


Joined: 05 Feb 2013
Location: Australia
Status: Offline
Points: 28563
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Dr E Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Jul 2017 at 6:15pm
Originally posted by maccamax maccamax wrote:

Hermaphrodite ...       has Balls but they are in the abdomen .
No female gear to re produce ...       
Not truly male or female ..           Difficult aye

What more proof do we need of Global Cooling!!!???
In reference to every post in the Trump thread ... "There may have been a tiny bit of license taken there" ... Ok, Thanks for the "heads up" PT!
Back to Top
max manewer View Drop Down
Champion
Champion
Avatar

Joined: 31 Jan 2010
Status: Offline
Points: 32947
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote max manewer Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Jul 2017 at 6:38pm
Starting to feel rather sorry for this person !
Back to Top
maccamax View Drop Down
Champion
Champion


Joined: 19 Jun 2010
Status: Offline
Points: 41470
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote maccamax Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Jul 2017 at 10:09pm
Originally posted by max manewer max manewer wrote:

Starting to feel rather sorry for this person !


Much more prevalent than we think .   very sad.
Back to Top
acacia alba View Drop Down
Champion
Champion
Avatar

Joined: 31 Oct 2010
Location: Hunter Valley
Status: Offline
Points: 46763
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote acacia alba Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Jul 2017 at 1:10am
Geez, she is a bloke.  Ermm  Poor thing was born that way and cant help what she is .   Her only out from that life was to run, and she can run.
But, she isnt a girl .  Never will be . 
How can she be allowed to compete against girls ??
Maybe there should be a category for sexless people.  
animals before people.
Back to Top
maccamax View Drop Down
Champion
Champion


Joined: 19 Jun 2010
Status: Offline
Points: 41470
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote maccamax Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Jul 2017 at 2:19am
Originally posted by acacia alba acacia alba wrote:

Geez, she is a bloke.  Ermm  Poor thing was born that way and cant help what she is .   Her only out from that life was to run, and she can run.
But, she isnt a girl .  Never will be . 
How can she be allowed to compete against girls ??
Maybe there should be a category for sexless people.  


Poses the question on what event Malcolm Turnbull would qualify for .

He has NO balls and he wouldn't look good in a bikini for beach volley ball.

Bill Short-one doesn't sound all male either .
Back to Top
acacia alba View Drop Down
Champion
Champion
Avatar

Joined: 31 Oct 2010
Location: Hunter Valley
Status: Offline
Points: 46763
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote acacia alba Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Jul 2017 at 2:28am
Originally posted by maccamax maccamax wrote:

Originally posted by acacia alba acacia alba wrote:

Geez, she is a bloke.  Ermm  Poor thing was born that way and cant help what she is .   Her only out from that life was to run, and she can run.
But, she isnt a girl .  Never will be . 
How can she be allowed to compete against girls ??
Maybe there should be a category for sexless people.  


Poses the question on what event Malcolm Turnbull would qualify for .

He has NO balls and he wouldn't look good in a bikini for beach volley ball.

Bill Short-one doesn't sound all male either .

OMG, the mind boggles.
But I trust you have them all sorted Macca.
animals before people.
Back to Top
Passing Through View Drop Down
Champion
Champion
Avatar

Joined: 09 Jan 2013
Location: At home
Status: Offline
Points: 95527
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Passing Through Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Jul 2017 at 9:01am
Originally posted by maccamax maccamax wrote:

Originally posted by max manewer max manewer wrote:

Starting to feel rather sorry for this person !


Much more prevalent than we think .   very sad.

Intersex people are estimated to be as common as redheads. 
Back to Top
oneonesit View Drop Down
Champion
Champion
Avatar

Joined: 06 Aug 2012
Status: Offline
Points: 50299
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote oneonesit Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Jul 2017 at 10:23am
Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

Originally posted by maccamax maccamax wrote:

Originally posted by max manewer max manewer wrote:

Starting to feel rather sorry for this person !


Much more prevalent than we think .   very sad.

Intersex people are estimated to be as common as redheads. 
Natural or after they visit the hairdresser ?
And The Boys Light Up.... !
Back to Top
Passing Through View Drop Down
Champion
Champion
Avatar

Joined: 09 Jan 2013
Location: At home
Status: Offline
Points: 95527
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Passing Through Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Jul 2017 at 10:34am
How do you tell these days? At one time if the curtains matched the carpet it was easy, but in todays polished hardwood floors, you are only guessing
Back to Top
djebel View Drop Down
Premium
Premium
Avatar

Joined: 07 Mar 2007
Status: Offline
Points: 56200
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote djebel Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Aug 2017 at 7:34pm
Sebastian Coe: IAAF right to seek court ruling over hyperandrogenism issue
• Coe: ‘This is not a witch hunt, as nobody is cheating here’ 
• ‘Responsibility of the IAAF to create level playing field in female sport’

Sebastian Coe has insisted the IAAF is right to go to the courts to ensure thatCaster Semenya and other athletes with hyperandrogenism are not allowed to compete unless they take action to suppress naturally high testosterone levels.

Semenya is a strong favourite to win 800m gold on Sunday night, with her two closest rivals – Burundi’s Francine Niyonsaba and Kenya’s Margaret Wambui – also both subject to the kind of innuendo that Semenya herself experienced in 2009.

Lord Coe confirmed on Saturday the IAAF will go back to the court of arbitration for sport in September or October to continue the arguments over the case of the Indian sprinter Dutee Chand, who accused the organisation of discriminating against her by setting an upper limit for the testosterone levels of female competitors. That led to Cas changing the rules – while giving the IAAF two years to prove its case.

The IAAF will argue that athletes with hyperandrogenism, such as Semenya – who was reportedly born with no womb or ovaries but internal testes – have a huge advantage over rivals because of their high testosterone levels. Coe admitted he understood the sensitivities around the case but added he had to do the right thing by his sport.

“This is an incredibly sensitive subject,” he said. “We are all fathers and brothers. I don’t want athletes being demonised but it is the responsibility of the federation to create a level playing field in female sport. We don’t want to turn this into a witch hunt. Nobody is choosing to cheat here. This is not an anti-doping issue – it is a biological one. I have to protect the sport, and of course we have done this carefully. But inevitably there is going to be conjecture and people will feel very strongly about it.

“I don’t want our sport to enter or emerge from this process as being rabid or intolerant of the situation or the condition,” added Coe. “But my ultimate responsibility is to make sure this gets resolved.”

Speaking after winning bronze in the 1500m, Semenya said that she is unconcerned about what the IAAF would do and was concentrating instead on winning 800m gold. “I really don’t have time for nonsense,” she said. “I do not think about something that might happen in eight months. I don’t focus on the IAAF. It’s not my business. My business is to train hard and see what I come up with in competition.”

Coe also confirmed he would like to see the Russian team return in time for the world championships at Doha in 2019. “I would,” he added, “because it will mean that we are satisfied their athletes have come from a clean environment.”

Only 19 Russians have competed in London as neutral athletes, with Mariya Lasitskene taking gold in the women’s high jump and three winning silver medals, including Sergey Shubenkov in the men’s 110m hurdles, Darya Klishina in the women’s long jump and Valeriy Pronkin in the men’s hammer.

“The guiding principle for me was separating the clean athletes from the tainted system,” said Coe, “Which is why we have had our doping review board go through every application. There are signs of good progress. If we get them back next year, or the year after, it will be because they have met the criteria.”

Coe also said he would like to see the World Athletics Championships come back to London sooner rather than later. “I don’t think anybody in the sport would set its face against thinking ‘We can’t be back here for 30 or 40 years’. There has to be a recognition that this stadium has been full of people morning, noon and night, and that’s a massive advantage to have.”

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2017/aug/12/sebastian-coe-iaaf-hyperandrogenism?CMP=share_btn_tw


reductio ad absurdum
Back to Top
Tlazolteotl View Drop Down
Champion
Champion
Avatar

Joined: 02 Oct 2012
Location: Elephant Butte
Status: Offline
Points: 38928
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Tlazolteotl Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Aug 2017 at 7:46pm
I heard a long interview with Semenya on the BBC last week- Jeezuzzz- Barry White lives.Confused
Back to Top
Dr E View Drop Down
Champion
Champion


Joined: 05 Feb 2013
Location: Australia
Status: Offline
Points: 28563
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Dr E Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Aug 2017 at 7:46pm
Inequality is such a problem, why don't we just have "Open" events for all sporting competitions? ... men, women, trannies, hyperandrogens and everyone else in between can compete without fear nor favour ... they do it in Australian Ninja Warrior, and nobody complains!
In reference to every post in the Trump thread ... "There may have been a tiny bit of license taken there" ... Ok, Thanks for the "heads up" PT!
Back to Top
Second Chance View Drop Down
Champion
Champion
Avatar

Joined: 02 Dec 2007
Status: Offline
Points: 56833
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Second Chance Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Aug 2017 at 7:48pm

Guardian Sport

Sebastian Coe has indicated the IAAF is to challenge the ruling that suspended the monitoring of female athletes with higher than usual levels of testosterone.

At the centre of the ruling is South Africa’s Caster Semenya, described as an “intersex” athlete meaning she does not conform to typical notions of male or female bodies. She produces testosterone at a level much higher than most women, prompting questions about whether that gives her an unfair biological advantage on the track.

In April 2011, the International Association of Athletics Federations announced it was adopting rules and regulations governing the eligibility of females with hyperandrogenism, effectively meaning there was an upper limit for women’s testosterone levels with anyone above it required to take hormones to lower them to more “normal” levels to compete.

That ruling was knocked back in July 2015 by the court of arbitration which suspended the practice of testosterone regulation for two years and challenged the IAAF to present better evidence by July 2017.

We were surprised by the Cas decision, and I think the IOC was too, Coe told insidergames.biz following a meeting of the IAAF council in Rio on Wednesday. We are looking again at this issue and will be talking to Cas at some time over the next year.

The IAAF president added: but we need to remember these are human beings. This is a sensitive subject, they are athletes, they are daughters, they are sisters and we need to be very clear about this. We will treat this sensitively. We need to go back to Cas and we have the right people looking at this.

I don’t want our sport to enter or emerge from this process as being rabid or intolerant of the situation or the condition, added Coe. But my ultimate responsibility is to make sure this gets resolved.

Speaking after winning bronze in the 1500m, Semenya said that she is unconcerned about what the IAAF would do and was concentrating instead on winning 800m gold. I really don’t have time for nonsense, she said. I do not think about something that might happen in eight months. I don’t focus on the IAAF. It’s not my business. My business is to train hard and see what I come up with in competition.

Back to Top
Tlazolteotl View Drop Down
Champion
Champion
Avatar

Joined: 02 Oct 2012
Location: Elephant Butte
Status: Offline
Points: 38928
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Tlazolteotl Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Aug 2017 at 7:50pm
Originally posted by Dr E Dr E wrote:

Inequality is such a problem, why don't we just have "Open" events for all sporting competitions? ... men, women, trannies, hyperandrogens and everyone else in between can compete without fear nor favour ... they do it in Australian Ninja Warrior, and nobody complains!

Right on, sister- we want equality- give us equality, now! There are no biological differences between the genders- it's just a social construct.Geek
Back to Top
oneonesit View Drop Down
Champion
Champion
Avatar

Joined: 06 Aug 2012
Status: Offline
Points: 50299
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote oneonesit Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Aug 2017 at 10:04pm
Its not just Caster anymore either - few others in that final that look decidedly male. I mean the slim attractive females types have no chance in that event - running for about 4th position at best. Very unfair & you have just got to draw the line in the sand & say you are not a female athlete - so you cannot compete against those that are. Yes it is hard on the 0.1% that don't fit in - however the whole sport is becoming a joke.
And The Boys Light Up.... !
Back to Top
Whale View Drop Down
Champion
Champion
Avatar

Joined: 01 Jun 2009
Location: Potts Point
Status: Offline
Points: 47322
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Whale Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Aug 2017 at 10:12pm
Originally posted by Dr E Dr E wrote:

Inequality is such a problem, why don't we just have "Open" events for all sporting competitions? ... men, women, trannies, hyperandrogens and everyone else in between can compete without fear nor favour ... they do it in Australian Ninja Warrior, and nobody complains!



really dumb suggestion
Declaration of Independence, signed after The Civil War. Trump said so.
Back to Top
Dr E View Drop Down
Champion
Champion


Joined: 05 Feb 2013
Location: Australia
Status: Offline
Points: 28563
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Dr E Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Aug 2017 at 10:19pm
... and right on queue, a meaningless comment for the person who would definitely need their own category!Wacko
In reference to every post in the Trump thread ... "There may have been a tiny bit of license taken there" ... Ok, Thanks for the "heads up" PT!
Back to Top
Whale View Drop Down
Champion
Champion
Avatar

Joined: 01 Jun 2009
Location: Potts Point
Status: Offline
Points: 47322
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Whale Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Aug 2017 at 10:27pm
Originally posted by Dr E Dr E wrote:

... and right on queue, a meaningless comment for the person who would definitely need their own category!Wacko


a few words was all it deserved, don't need to explain what a ridiculous suggestion it is Wink
Declaration of Independence, signed after The Civil War. Trump said so.
Back to Top
 Post Reply Post Reply Page  123 4>

Forum Jump Forum Permissions View Drop Down

Forum Software by Web Wiz Forums® version 12.05
Copyright ©2001-2022 Web Wiz Ltd.

This page was generated in 0.092 seconds.