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With horses winning at Caulfield, Moonee Valley, Geelong and on derby Day either getting automatic entry or weight penalties it is more like 34 or 35.

I know we go through this every year, but seriously some of those horses above him are $1001.00 or more. 


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Although vulnerable to getting leapfrogged over the next few weeks, the mighty Carif has edged closer to a Melb Cup start.  

Now up to 28th after the 3rd declarations today.  

Looks like the ATC St Leger on Saturday is his next assignment but with that being SW+P even a win wonít attract a weight penalty yo help his cause.
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Up to 27th now, natural attrition means he's a good chance of grabbing a start, especially considering some currently above him like Quick Thinker and Delphi may not even accept now.
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He was ok yesterday, probably expected a little better performance from him.  That said he was only 3rd up & does generally improve the deeper he gets into a prep.

Heíll probably be an also-ran in the Melb Cup, but still love to see him get in the field.  Heís a beautiful looking horse & just the nostalgia links to Bart Cummings in his breeding & racing colours will make me cheer for him anyway.
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He's capable of running top half in the Cup, especially in a down year like this one which means a collect of $160k, so why not?

A defence of his Sandown Cup or dropping back to the WFA Zipping after that I would imagine.
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Quick Thinker and Duais are confirmed non-acceptors, so is up to at least 25th now.
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He probably needs 2 or 3 more to fall away to be considered safe, there is a few ahead of him that could come out for form reasons such as Explosive Jack, Dawn Patrol and King of Leogrance but I guess it's a wait and see with them.

Is the Derby still ballot exempt? The current favourite for that race is amongst the Cup nominations.
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Afros the VRC Derby hasn't been a ballot excempt race for the Melbourne Cup in years

Jamal, if you quote the above post again it'll be removed. I'm sick of telling you Angry


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Jamal, whilst the VRC Derby isnít ballot exempt, Forgot You has paid up for the Melb Cup entries so far.

If he wins or runs a place in the VRC Derby heíll pass the Ballot Clause & leapfrog a lot of horses up the Order of entry
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He has to also contend with horses behind him winning the Geelong Cup, Moonee Valley Cup and Lexus and gaining a penalty to move past him.

He did his trick again yesterday of surging at the top of the straight and then waiting.

I think his form in Melbourne is far superior to his clockwise form, I think he is better on a dry track, and he needs the 3200m to perform at his best. 

If he makes the field, and he gets a dry track, and he can draw a gate to do no work early he will be strong at the end of the 3200m. 

Not a winning hope but he could scramble into a top six spot.  
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Gee he would want to be winning this easily if he was to be competitive in the Cup

Race 7 - 4:10PM CLUBSNSW CITY TATTERSALLS CLUB CUP (2400 METRES)Times displayed in local time of Race Meeting
Of $140,000.1st $69,500, 2nd $25,500, 3rd $12,500, 4th $6,700, 5th $5,000, 6th $4,000, 7th $3,500, 8th $3,500, 9th $3,500, 10th $3,500, Equine Welfare Fund $1,400, Jockey Welfare Fund $1,400. LISTED
Quality, Minimum Weight 53kg, Three-Years-Old and Upwards, Apprentices cannot claim.

Track Name: Randwick Track Type: Turf 

Field Limit: 15 + 4 EM    NOMINATIONS EXTENDED TO: 19/10/2021 11:00:00 AM

NoLast 10HorseTrainerJockeyBarrierWeightProbable WeightPenaltyHcp Rating
1x07422x474CARIFPeter & Paul SnowdenSam Clipperton1059kg99
220421x4003CEPHEUS (GB)Matthew DunnJason Collett1257kg95
3122x05x644ZEYREK (FR)Michael, Wayne & John HawkesTommy Berry1155kg91
4654700x706HUSH WRITER (JPN)Gai Waterhouse & Adrian BottTim Clark154kg89
5x014140x66SKYMAX (GER)Mark NewnhamRobbie Dolan554kg89
610314x8633ACHIEVERChris WallerKerrin McEvoy354kg80
78853623267TERWILLIKERAnthony CummingsMs Kathy O'Hara854kg63
811x0006115SAVVY VALENTINO (NZ)Bjorn BakerMs Rachel King953kg80
9x097010918TORRENSLauri ParkerMs Jenny Duggan (a)253kg79
106820532774SOUND OF CANNONS (GB)John O'SheaJean Van Overmeire453kg67
1118126x9753OUR BAMBINORobert & Luke PriceBrock Ryan (a)753kg66
1241049x8468OLYMPIC GAZEPaul PerryMs Alysha Collett653kg59
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He's now 23rd in the order of entry for the Melbourne Cup but surely some like Johnny Get Angry, Explosive Jack and Knights Order will come out as they are nowhere near the form needed to win a Melbourne Cup, so maybe he won't even need to run this week.
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3 wins from 36 so the interest in him on here must be a record considering hype v performance.  Tongue
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How many of those starts have been at 3200m SC?

Not many.
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Speaking of So You Think's - I wouldn't wouldn't surprised if GOOD IDEA snuck into the Cup with the current rate of attrition. Another one in Dato's colours from one of their G1 mares FAINT PERFUME. 
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Originally posted by Second Chance Second Chance wrote:

3 wins from 36 so the interest in him on here must be a record considering hype v performance.  Tongue

It's the hope that kills us true believers LOL
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Originally posted by Afros Afros wrote:

Originally posted by Second Chance Second Chance wrote:

3 wins from 36 so the interest in him on here must be a record considering hype v performance.  Tongue
It's the hope that kills us true believers LOL

Can he win Melb Cup? Are you on?
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I don't think he can Jamal, but I've had a little bit on him because I'd rather he lose with mine on him than win without it.

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Originally posted by Afros Afros wrote:

I don't think he can Jamal, but I've had a little bit on him because I'd rather he lose with mine on him than win without it.

Unlike you I prefer to light a candle rather than curse the darkness.

I have a little bit on him as well but that was months ago. I got odds at 200/1. Happy to email you the evidence tooof the bet. It was a "cup of coffee" bet. Hopefully (if he makes field) he can run past a few in the race. The trip shouldn't be a problem.
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Do you purposely ignore warnings about quoting posts directly above or???
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Couldn't get within 35 lengths of a Melbourne Cup off that.
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Bump:

Originally posted by Second Chance Second Chance wrote:

3 wins from 36 so the interest in him on here must be a record considering hype v performance.  Tongue
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Was ridden too far back, had no chance to run on well. Having said that, does Snowden pull him out of the Melbourne Cup? Or do they press on?
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He couldn't possibly run in the Melbourne Cup. He'd need to start now. Too slow.
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Beaten 13 lengths.  Say no more.
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I wonder what's happened? Showed promise without winning a few years ago, hardly wins actually. Maybe at the end of the day just not good enough? Snowmen doesn't really train many stayers either.
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Originally posted by Afros Afros wrote:

Looks a stayer of the future this guy.

A shame things haven't come together for Carif, but that's racing
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The problem with this horse Jamal is the Cummings polish and breeding. Just not good enough. Typical Australian stayer.
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