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VOYAGER 
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 Posted: 06 Apr 2020 at 5:33pm |
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I am starting to agree with djebel with this guy.
I had him and Youngstar as standouts Saturday and Clark rode him perfectly, he hit the front and dead set stopped and waited for them to grab him. That form is about three lengths at least off winning a Sydney cup, so he will need to improve significantly to even get a run in the big one, although if the internationals do not come it makes his job easier. |
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Lord Hybrow
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Posted: 06 Apr 2020 at 5:43pm |
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The problem with the Bart Cummings Stks is that so many other promising Melbourne stayers are targetting this race also. But I’m really not a fan of these ‘golden ticket’ races.
Prefer horses to earn their place in the Melb Cup through their efforts over the whole year, not just 1 race. A good ‘old school’ Newcastle Cup & Metrop campaign seems to align with Carif’s talent level. Plus a G1 Metrop Hcp looks better for a stallion than a G3 Bart Cummings. Having said that, hopefully no internationals turn up for the Spring, so it might be easier to get into the field in 2020. |
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Posted: 06 Apr 2020 at 6:14pm |
101 might be enuff to get in this year. |
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Jamal
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Posted: 06 Apr 2020 at 9:44pm |
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The other way of looking at it is that we should be patient with Carif. He is still a young horse and still learning. Some stayers take longer to mature. In fact some horses at all distances take longer to reach thier peak - some reach thier peak as older horses. Almandin and Rogan Josh won Melbourne Cup's as 7 year-old's. Not saying Carif is in that class (not yet anyway) but he is running ok without being excellent, but he hasn't been putting in shockers either in races at 2400m+.
Having said all of that, he does lack that killer punch in the last 200m. Hopefully he gets better and improves. |
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Lord Hybrow
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Posted: 20 Aug 2020 at 8:00am |
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Carif kicks off his Spring campaign today at Hawkesbury in the Rowley Mile - 4.20pm
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Afros
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Posted: 30 Oct 2020 at 8:36am |
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Well tomorrow is D Day in terms of whether they've thrown all the eggs in the right basket.
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Posted: 30 Oct 2020 at 9:04am |
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Promised the world and delivered an atlas.
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Afros
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Posted: 09 Nov 2020 at 4:03pm |
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Nominated for the Sandown Cup.
Probably more his level, maybe this race and the Christmas Cup back in Sydney are two good targets in the short term with the Hobart and Launceston Cups considered if he can win one or both?
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Second Chance
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Posted: 09 Nov 2020 at 4:58pm |
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Has won two from 27 and been up longer than Rupert Murdoch's viagra assisted hard on.
But do hope he can win a half-decent race.
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Posted: 09 Nov 2020 at 5:30pm |
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Has only been out of Group racing twice since his last win, one was the listed mile race, short of what should be his best distance and the other was his second in the St Lever last year which was a field comparable to a Group 3 staying race.
This will be a good guide for them as to whether he is capable of at least being competitive in some G3/listed staying races or if the bar needs to be reset even lower.
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Posted: 10 Nov 2020 at 6:25am |
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Hes been terribly unlucky this prep including last start
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Posted: 10 Nov 2020 at 7:08am |
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Name change to Coodawoodashoulda
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Afros
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Posted: 11 Nov 2020 at 9:21am |
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Hard to believe it's taken this long to get him out to this distance, Saturday is his day to prove he belongs in stakes class. Otherwise I guess he goes back to benchmark racing?
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Jamal
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Posted: 11 Nov 2020 at 11:32am |
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Question is - is he good enough for stakes (Group/Listed) class?
We will fund out on Saturday
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Afros
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Posted: 11 Nov 2020 at 1:00pm |
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You literally just repeated what I said Jamal, do you like the sound of your own voice?
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Posted: 11 Nov 2020 at 2:15pm |
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Or perhaps his own words in print?
 The only 'funding' coming from this horse will be to bookmakers/agensies/corporates kittys! |
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The funniest thing about this particular signature is that by the time you realise it doesn't say anything, it's too late to stop reading it.
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Afros
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Posted: 11 Nov 2020 at 2:23pm |
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Very true Gay!
He's second fav for Sat, shorter than Miami Bound, no way you could sensibly back him at that price surely?
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Posted: 14 Nov 2020 at 1:52pm |
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Makes you wonder why they didn't go to the Sydney Cup now, that was a good win. Hopefully they go to the Adelaide, Sydney and Brisbane Cups next year now, all at 2 miles.
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Posted: 14 Nov 2020 at 1:54pm |
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I just hope Afros they do not spell him!
If they give him a English style 12 month prep he can do what Persan did this year!
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Posted: 14 Nov 2020 at 1:56pm |
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Ridden a treat.
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Jamal
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Posted: 14 Nov 2020 at 1:57pm |
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Carif & Realm of Flowers gives champion horse So You Think the quinella in the 2 mile Sandown Cup with the American bred San Humberto in 3 place. And The Great Man Bart Cummings (who would have turned 93 today) is looking down from above & is mightily pleased with the result because he trained So You Think & the winner Carif is out of the Thorn Park mare Norzita who was also trained by Bart.
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Posted: 14 Nov 2020 at 1:59pm |
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I agree Voyager, I don't know if he's up to the Melbourne Cup but he can pick off some lower level staying races, the 2400m listed race in Sydney in a few weeks and the Bagot handicap, followed by the 2 Tassie cups could all be good aims.
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Posted: 14 Nov 2020 at 1:59pm |
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I finally jumped off! But great to see him get a win. Hope djebel didn't see the interview with Pete Snowden
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Posted: 14 Nov 2020 at 2:02pm |
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Protest. But it looks frivolous to me! |
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Posted: 14 Nov 2020 at 2:14pm |
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I suspect that was Carif's last race with his crown jewels. He will be gelded soon I think.
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Posted: 14 Nov 2020 at 2:21pm |
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By So You Think out of a dual G1 winning mare, why geld him? Despite his race record he should have no trouble finding a stud job somewhere on his breeding surely?
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Posted: 14 Nov 2020 at 2:25pm |
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At the expense of sounding like djebel, it is beyond belief that connections would geld this stallion.
Hes a magnificent looking horse, with great blood lines & has just achieved his biggest race win. Plenty of stayers dont hit their straps until they are 5 & 6 year olds. The perfect example is Reckless, who as a 6yo stallion won the Adelaide, Sydney & Brisbane Cups in the one season and then went in to be a good bread & butter sire at stud. Not sure Voyagers plan of keeping him going with a Persan style prep would work. Ciaron Maher is a far superior trainer to the Snowdens
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Posted: 14 Nov 2020 at 2:36pm |
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I think Voyagers idea is more about him being a stayer than anything else, why tip him out and race runs getting him fit when you could just keep him ticking over and pick off races that suit?
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Posted: 14 Nov 2020 at 2:38pm |
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On a very sad note, Carif's dam Norzita died this morning due to a paddock accident.  |
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Posted: 14 Nov 2020 at 2:50pm |
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