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    Posted: 02 Nov 2019 at 1:46pm
Looks a stayer of the future this guy.
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Looks like a stayer for the future. Did a lot wrong but ran well
Australian racing is only good up to 1400m in terms of world standards when it comes to depth/quality in numbers
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Chased the winner after being shuffled back out of it on the turn.  Good run.  He definately has alot to learn but talented with it.
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Would make a nice stallion too.
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Wish Peter S would get more staying stock to train instead of these piss weak sprinting types , his history and talent is wasted imo.
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Peter spoke in our marquee yesterday and admitted to throwing him in the deep end and was nowhere near mature enough yet. . Give him 12 months and he will be our cup horse . Something maybe for the early pre post punters
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He will be finished in 12 months.

He has had ample racing.

He is as good as will be.

I suspect he is a chaser, needs something in front of him.

Only in Australia is a horse "still learning" at start 16.





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Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

He will be finished in 12 months.

He has had ample racing.

He is as good as will be.

I suspect he is a chaser, needs something in front of him.

Only in Australia is a horse "still learning" at start 16.


So ...he tells porkies?....doesn't know ?.... a few starts ago ran in a class 1 at Newcastle, now runs an encouraging 2nd in a G3 and is as green as grass, your talking out of your rear imo.
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I suspect he is one that would improve for gelding.

That class 1 he should have by panels, instead he waited for them.

I suspect he will always be chasing unless his run is timed to perfection.





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Fwiw I'm inclined to agree with the trainer, maturity is the main ingredient with this horse, and it's duly Noted for future ref.
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Currently joint fav for the Sydney Cup!

Be hopefully he can work his way through the grades of the Sydney staying races culminating in the Chairman's and the Sydney Cup. The new 2 mile Brisbane Cup may also be a good target.
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To be honest Afros, he is, for me an ideal type for the Andrew Ramsden which is a ticket into the big one.

I think that proved very successful last year and the prep seems to suit horses, as it is a little bit like a European prep where the horse has that prep, then does not hove a full three month spell, and a short two run prep into the Cup itself.

The Surprise Baby prep is the ideal prep, if your trainer can get the stayer fit enough through training!

But each to their own!
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That's even better! Could even go from the Ramsden to the Brisbane Cup if he's still going ok.
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If he wins the Sydney Cup, He is currently on BM97 he is guaranteed a start in the big one in November. 

I am not sure he is a winner.

He is a chaser. He could chase Winx and put 20 lengths on the 3rd horse. Take Winx out of the race he'd be lucky to beat the 3rd horse.....




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Looking forward to seeing how he goes first up over the mile on Saturday.

In his 3 campaigns he has taken 2 or 3 starts to get to the mile or further.






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I thought his run on Saturday was a nice run, worked home well late, guessing he'll go to the Tancred next or perhaps the Chairmans and finally the Sydney Cup.
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There was an article on Racing.com last month where Peter Snowden stated that Carif was unlikely to go to the Sydney Cup.

The Tancred Stks & The Chairman’s Hcp are mooted as his target races & then “we can pull up stumps” according to Peter.

Personally I don’t understand this plan of trying to win the Chairman’s & then avoid the Sydney Cup. Sure he’d be allocated less weight in the Spring Cups, but who targets a $300k G2 lead up & then avoids the $2m G1 finale?   
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That ia strange, eventually you've got to stop 'going through the grades' and have a crack at a big one.
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Totally agree with you Voyager and Afros. Why not have a go at a G1?
Australian racing is only good up to 1400m in terms of world standards when it comes to depth/quality in numbers
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Why not target a clearly winnable G2, put your horse out having not gutted it, then depending on its' performance, set it for higher grade events in the Spring?
A trainers' aim should be to place horses in races it can be most competitive in, thereby giving owners the best chance of recouping expenses.
2 hard runs on likely heavy tracks could well see the horse never reach his perceived potential.

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It depends what type of stayer you have Gay.

If you have a clean winded athletic type, with the style and frame of say an Efficient, then you could just about start the horse first up in the 3200m even if know how you can get them fit enough from work.

If you have a old time stayer who needs about three runs to get anywhere near peak fitness then it is better to give them at least a four run prep in the autumn so they can keep abit of fitnesss while they are spelling.

Carif seems to be a stayer who can race well from his first run right through so he does not need a few to get ready, and there3fore your suggested prep is not out of the question.

Also I think all of those horses from the Sky High except for Life Less Ordinary, did not handle that bottomless track and they will have felt the run Sunday morning.

I would have still aimed him at the Andrew Ramsden, but again each to their own.   
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Crazy. He's not up to winning a CC or MC. 
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Blue blood stallion prospect ... they would love him to win something better than a Newcastle Class 1 & Maiden's set weights!Cry
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There can only be one reason he would baxk up in the Chairmans this week instead of the Sydney Cup next week, they think racing will be suspended shortly.
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According to Racing.com

“The connections of Carif may sacrifice the Sydney Cup with the long-term aspirations of competing in the Melbourne Cup. The plan has always been to try and get into the Melbourne Cup and I think we've almost made the criteria now with not too many imports coming over this year. Getting him into the race (Melbourne Cup) is what it's always been about and we don't want to go three runs in three weeks with him going to two miles.”

Whilst he’s run some nice placings, his only 2 wins have been a Maiden & a Class 1, both at Newcastle. Not sure how Peter Snowden thinks he be in the top 24 in the ballot order on that basis.


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Randwick Metrop. could be a chance , I think he should be given a throw at the stumps.
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Agree Carioca. The Metropolitan Hcp (& probably Newcastle Cup too) should be in his spring plans.
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Surely the Bart Cummings is the obvious target if the Melbourne Cup is the aim?
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Surely the Bart Cummings is the obvious target if the Melbourne Cup is the ultimate aim?
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Afros - I think you're spot on. Win the Bart Cummings and then onto the Cup with the win in the Bart Cummings meaning an automatic entry into the Melbourne Cup.

Australian racing is only good up to 1400m in terms of world standards when it comes to depth/quality in numbers
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