Cardinal lowlife scumbag Pell ..!!!

You ever thought about how one might have obtained that prejudice Max? Maybe from hearing about repeated abuse from priests and cover ups over decades?? Makes one start to believe less in a higher being when they would allow things like that to happen in their name......

subastral wrote: What a load of garbage Max. No atheist derives any pleasure from priests being paedohpiles. Just anger. And even worse is the blatant cover up to protect the church and its assets.   The sheer ridiculousness of your atheists are super deluded is one of the most hypocritical things you can say. You believe in something that cannot be proven, as do I. Where is the difference in our delusion??

Been proven to me, many, many times. But never at my instigation. We are not the doers. "Don't call us, we'll call you". If you don't hear, it is because you are a scoffer.

max manewer wrote: subastral wrote: What a load of garbage Max. No atheist derives any pleasure from priests being paedohpiles. Just anger. And even worse is the blatant cover up to protect the church and its assets.   The sheer ridiculousness of your atheists are super deluded is one of the most hypocritical things you can say. You believe in something that cannot be proven, as do I. Where is the difference in our delusion?? Been proven to me, many, many times. But never at my instigation. We are not the doers. "Don't call us, we'll call you". If you don't hear, it is because you are a scoffer.

Passing Through wrote: Nobody would need to think anything at all about clergy if they followed their own teachings and commandments, and their superiors didn't shield their crimes from scrutiny. It isn't that difficult to understand that you shouldn't waggle your willies at little boys, and there wouldn't be a Royal Commission if this abomination wasn't happening on a large scale. If it was just an atheist conspiracy the RC would have been wrapped up long ago, rather than going on for this extended period with additional funding.

I am not implying it is an atheist conspiracy at all. I am not defending anything of a criminal nature that the bureaucracy of the churches has acted to cover up. But I have no doubt this matter has been hijacked to promote "popular" atheism, which I regard as a psychological disorder. You have to be mad to think yourself that clever, that you can rule out " God ", Totally arrogant. Totally dumb. And nothing to do with paedophilia. The great shame is that many very foolish people took their complaints to the church, instead of to the police. Bureaucracies cover up their sins, that is what the churches did. The bureaucrat acts to preserve the organization, first and foremost.

max manewer wrote: Passing Through wrote: Nobody would need to think anything at all about clergy if they followed their own teachings and commandments, and their superiors didn't shield their crimes from scrutiny. It isn't that difficult to understand that you shouldn't waggle your willies at little boys, and there wouldn't be a Royal Commission if this abomination wasn't happening on a large scale. If it was just an atheist conspiracy the RC would have been wrapped up long ago, rather than going on for this extended period with additional funding. I am not implying it is an atheist conspiracy at all. I am not defending anything of a criminal nature that the bureaucracy of the churches has acted to cover up. But I have no doubt this matter has been hijacked to promote "popular" atheism, which I regard as a psychological disorder. You have to be mad to think yourself that clever, that you can rule out " God ", Totally arrogant. Totally dumb. And nothing to do with paedophilia. The great shame is that many very foolish people took their complaints to the church, instead of to the police. Bureaucracies cover up their sins, that is what the churches did. The bureaucrat acts to preserve the organization, first and foremost.

I'm not mixed up at all, I hold no brief for the church or any other organization that harbours and protects criminals. But I reiterate what I have said, that ratbag atheists have fastened on to such wrong-doing as support for their idea that church teachings are therefore "wrong", and atheism is "right", because they have done the wrong thing with child abuse cases. There is simply no connection between the two. Atheism is the ultimate poison, catering to utter fools.

subastral wrote: max manewer wrote: I'm not mixed up at all, I hold no brief for the church or any other organization that harbours and protects criminals. But I reiterate what I have said, that ratbag atheists have fastened on to such wrong-doing as support for their idea that church teachings are therefore "wrong", and atheism is "right", because they have done the wrong thing with child abuse cases. There is simply no connection between the two. Atheism is the ultimate poison, catering to utter fools.     I thought the church taught you not to hate?? Why so angry Max?? Surely you should respect everyone's right to an opinion and to form their own beliefs?

Quit associating me with churches, I have nothing to do with them. I am entirely comfortable with wanting nothing to do with people who proudly call themselves atheists. They are the last word in arrogance and stupidity, why would I respect someone that deems themselves fit to declare God non-existent ?

Passing Through wrote: What about theists?

I take no notice of people who expound on what God may be. If you could describe or delineate God, you would be God ! But the "other realm" is a certainty, I have had that proven to me. Therefore I regard people like Hawking and dawkins who insist this life is the "end of the line", as frauds pretending non-existent knowledge. It is a poor reflection on the world of science that they have been virtually silent in the face of this unscientific clap-trap, especially Hawking's. Yes, he is a little pr1ck stuck in a wheelchair, let's cut him some slack. Pig's rse to that ! He says the laws of nature allow the universe to arise spontaneously. So far king what ? What "allows" the laws of physics to exist ? It is a matter of psychological interest that so many lap this rubbish up.

max manewer wrote: Passing Through wrote: What about theists?  I take no notice of people who expound on what God may be. If you could describe or delineate God, you would be God ! But the "other realm" is a certainty, I have had that proven to me. Therefore I regard people like Hawking and dawkins who insist this life is the "end of the line", as frauds pretending non-existent knowledge. It is a poor reflection on the world of science that they have been virtually silent in the face of this unscientific clap-trap, especially Hawking's. Yes, he is a little pr1ck stuck in a wheelchair, let's cut him some slack. Pig's rse to that ! He says the laws of nature allow the universe to arise spontaneously. So far king what ? What "allows" the laws of physics to exist ? It is a matter of psychological interest that so many lap this rubbish up.

subastral wrote: max manewer wrote: Passing Through wrote: What about theists?  I take no notice of people who expound on what God may be. If you could describe or delineate God, you would be God ! But the "other realm" is a certainty, I have had that proven to me. Therefore I regard people like Hawking and dawkins who insist this life is the "end of the line", as frauds pretending non-existent knowledge. It is a poor reflection on the world of science that they have been virtually silent in the face of this unscientific clap-trap, especially Hawking's. Yes, he is a little pr1ck stuck in a wheelchair, let's cut him some slack. Pig's rse to that ! He says the laws of nature allow the universe to arise spontaneously. So far king what ? What "allows" the laws of physics to exist ? It is a matter of psychological interest that so many lap this rubbish up.     So you want to call others as arrogant or deluded, yet you say with 100 percent surety that what you experienced was the other realm???? How can you possibly be sure?

  What I have witnessed left me with nowhere else to go, sub. I manfully tried to find the "rational" explanations, but it was overwhelmed by the evidence. This world is very different to what most people imagine.I don't know that I am comforted by that knowledge, either. The world is full of people that are supremely confident they know I'm wrong. I can only say, stay in a state of doubt, it is the only scientific thing to do !

I am aware of those arguments, 1-1, I know nothing about God or Gods, but I'm certain death is not necessarily the end. And I know nought about how that can be.

Phazeal wrote: Atheism doesn't preclude the existence of some sort of life after death. It just precludes its connection with a deity :)

On what reasonable basis can that opinion be arrived at ? So far as I am concerned, if people can persist beyond death, I am utterly unable to preclude anything with any confidence.

I don't dismiss re-incarnation. Even the great Carl Sagan had an open mind about it, having studied a dosier of cases supplied to him by Arthur C. Clarke, which he concluded was either a true record, or the most elaborate hoax ever conceived.

Phazeal wrote: Atheism doesn't preclude the existence of some sort of life after death. It just precludes its connection with a deity :)

and that's pretty much it, perhaps max could go back to the opening post of thread and find anything remotely related to religion or God bashing...??

max appears to have used this thread about Pell as some sort of vehicle to once again pontificate his very own exclusive knowledge on there might be god and we are fools for not believing the same..

come home cardinal Pell....face the music George..