Bush Girl retires - breeding advice welcome - Thoroughbred Horse Racing and Breeding Forums

In the “Who Owns Horses” thread I’ve told how Bush Girl has been retired.

What the rest of her life entails is largely up to me.

We can sell her online for $1,000 or so and who knows where she ends up? That to me is an insult to the joy this mare has given us.

So I’m thinking I might make my first foray into breeding a mare.

I’ve got some practical experience thankfully but my pedigree homework is not as good.

I’ve given BP a heads up and asked her to post the mare’s page.

Then, if my breeding mentors on here could suggest a stallion…up to about $15k I’d love to hear it.

I’m not syndicating…but shares ($0.00) may become available 👍

Might be blurry and teeny … maybe one of the actual tech people can post her page Embarrassed

Love ya BP.

Thanks heaps 👍

I need bed…a story for another time.

(Anyone want a casual stud job in NE Vic?) Not mine but we’re short staffed 🥵

Where are you (the mare) located?

diomed, I'll let FF answer you (he's probably still asleep; never worked a hard day until he started working on a horse stud Wink

) but as far as I know the mare is in New South Wales, and FF is in Victoria.

diomed wrote:

Where are you (the mare) located?

Hi Diomed. If we go ahead the mare will be agistment in NE Victoria though we currently take mares as far as Cootamundra to be covered.

Clock on the pedigree page above and it should increase in size.

Straight to Extreme Choice. Was only $330K last season.

If I win the lotto, my shout Wink

If I win lotto you’re in for 50% for free Shawy!

And I’ll take a $0.00 share! Big smile

The best of the best breeders work with the likes of Black Caviar etc and can’t breed a champ. I still think it’s a stab in the dark…..

Pick a very sound, well conformed, well performed stallion that you like and can afford and hope for the best. Probably just as likely to breed a good’un Thumbs Up

HarnessGuru wrote:

Straight to Extreme Choice. Was only $330K last season.

That’s a rounding error in our calculations HG. He’s in the mix.

Someone VERY SPECIAL Heart

gave me this today …could be a sign? LOL

How about this for some quick and hopefully not nasty suggestions, and the cheaper ones would also appear to fit Sister Dot's summary.

Optimum Suggestion

Henry Longfellow by Champion sire Dubawi from a mare by Galileo (Sadler’s Wells)

Bush Girl’s best performed sibling is by Poet’s Voice by Dubawi.

(b) A mating between HL and Bush Girl appears excellent from a line breeding perspective, providing Sadler’s Wells 4 x 5, Shirley Heights 5 x 6, 6 (twice via Darshaan), Mr Prospector 5, 6 x 6 and that sire’s soul mate Northern Dancer five times.

(c) HL importantly also adds the sprinter/miler quality he shares with Dubawi and which is arguably required to provide some genuine (as distinct from cheap) speed to BG’s staying pedigree.

Unfortunately HL isn’t an inexpensive stallion at probably $16,500 in 2026 so back to the drawing board.

Alternative Choice No 1

Dalasan

A mating between he and BG is also excellent from a line-breeding perspective, with Darshaan

3 x 4, Sadler’s Wells 5 x 5, and once again plenty of the Mr Prospector/Northern Dancer cross.

On face value this wouldn’t appear to add any precocity however it’s well worth noting that Dalasan was a 1000m winner at 2 and a multiple Group winner at 1200, 1400 and 1600 at 3.

Dalasan stands for an advertised fee of $5,500 but could surely be secured for $3,300.

Alternative Choice No 2

Russian Camelot

This again appears excellent from a line breeding viewpoint, with Montjeu 3 x 4, Sadler’s Wells 4, 4 x 5 and further Northern Dancer to that above via Danehill.

Whilst RC’s Group wins were at 1800m and 2500m he actually he won three from five as a 2yo.

RC could probably be sourced from between $8,800 and $11,000 in 2026.

All these matches would seem to provide the opportunity for success in the 1400-2000m range.

Thanks from the bottom of my heart SC!

My mate who bred Bush Girl reckons Russian Camelot is one of the most impressive stallions he’s seen(a few years ago though).

👍

Try this FF

BUSH GIRL (AUS)

Bay filly 2020

Ribchester Bay 2013	Iffraaj Bay 2001	Zafonic Bay 1990	Gone West Bay 1984	Mr Prospector Secrettame	1970 1978	13-c 2-f
		Zafonic Bay 1990	Zaizafon Chestnut 1982	The Minstrel Mofida	1974 1974	8-f 9-e
		Pastorale Chestnut 1988	Nureyev Bay 1977	Northern Dancer Special	1961 1969	2-d 5-h
		Pastorale Chestnut 1988	Park Appeal Bay or brown 1982	Ahonoora Balidaress	1975 1973	1-m 14-c
	Mujarah Bay 2008	Marju Brown 1988	Last Tycoon Bay or brown 1983	Try My Best Mill Princess	1975 1977	8-f 8-c
		Marju Brown 1988	Flame of Tara Bay 1980	Artaius Welsh Flame	1974 1973	14-c 2-f
		Tanaghum Bay 2000	Darshaan Brown 1981	Shirley Heights Delsy	1975 1972	1-l 13-c
		Tanaghum Bay 2000	Mehthaaf Bay 1991	Nureyev Elle Seule	1977 1983	5-h 4-m
Endaxi Bay 2010	Authorized Bay 2004	Montjeu Bay 1996	Sadler's Wells Bay 1981	Northern Dancer Fairy Bridge	1961 1975	2-d 5-h
		Montjeu Bay 1996	Floripedes Bay 1985	Top Ville Toute Cy	1976 1979	8-i 1-u
		Funsie Bay or brown 1999	Saumarez Bay or brown 1987	Rainbow Quest Fiesta Fun	1981 1978	14-f 16-a
		Funsie Bay or brown 1999	Vallee Dansante Bay 1981	Lyphard Green Valley	1969 1967	17-b 16-c
	Too Darn Hot Chestnut 1992	Noble Bijou Bay 1971	Vaguely Noble Bay 1965	Vienna Noble Lassie	1957 1956	14-c 1-d
		Noble Bijou Bay 1971	Priceless Gem Bay or brown 1963	Hail to Reason Searching	1958 1952	4-n 1-s
		Kiss Me Kate Bay 1981	Balmerino Bay 1972	Trictrac Dulcie	1962 1953	2-h 4-d
		Kiss Me Kate Bay 1981	Anita Kay Chestnut 1970	Mellay Magic Casement	1961 1957	2-i 3-i

Ancestor duplications:

Northern Dancer

5m x 5m

Nureyev

4f,5f x

I'll have a look later I'm busy at the moment

Beyond Question is a very promising Russian Camelot 3yo, having won 2 and placed 2nd from just three starts with his last start win being in the recent Albury Guineas. He's bred 4, 4 Sadler's Wells, 4 x 5 Danehill and 5, 5, 6, 7 x 5, 6 Northern Dancer.

Compare that to the Russian Camelot/Bush Girl match which has Sadler’s Wells 4, 4 x 5 and further Northern Dancer to that above via Danehill.

Simple but effective.

That’s what we need, furious! Big smile

I’ll definitely take a $0.00 share if SC’s in Handshake

I'll take as share. Contact HG for ongoing expenses.

Well the best few recent ones from the family are by Galileo (G1 Sydney Cup) Glass Harmonium (Kenmare sireline but with Sadler's Wells in his pedigree), Trustful (no Sadler's Well's this boy was double Star Kingdom) and Waikiki Star (Mr Prospector line).

Then looking at Bush Girl with Ribchester's double Nureyev and very much a staying background but also with a Sydney Cup winner in the family that is what you should expect.

One stallion who isn't too expensive from the Galileo line and with three G1 winners can get a good one is Kermadec

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Kermadec (NZ) Bay 2011	Teofilo Bay 2004	Galileo Bay 1998	Sadler's Wells Bay 1981	Northern Dancer Fairy Bridge	1961 1975	2-d 5-h
		Galileo Bay 1998	Urban Sea Chestnut 1989	Miswaki Allegretta	1978 1978	16-g 9-h
		Speirbhean Bay 1998	Danehill Bay 1986	Danzig Razyana	1977 1981	7-a 2-d
		Speirbhean Bay 1998	Saviour Bay 1987	Majestic Light Victorian Queen	1973 1971	8-c 1-n
	Hy Fuji Bay 1999	Fuji Kiseki Bay 1992	Sunday Silence Brown 1986	Halo Wishing Well	1969 1975	2-d 3-e
		Fuji Kiseki Bay 1992	Millracer Bay 1983	Le Fabuleux Marston's Mill	1961 1975	13-c 22-d
		Hysterical Bay 1986	Wolverton Bay 1976	Wolver Hollow Mary Murphy	1964 1960	19-b 1-u
		Hysterical Bay 1986	Formal Invitation Bay 1979	Be My Guest Promise Side	1974 1974	8-c 25>
Bush Girl (AUS) Bay 2020	Ribchester Bay 2013	Iffraaj Bay 2001	Zafonic Bay 1990	Gone West Zaizafon	1984 1982	2-f 9-e
		Iffraaj Bay 2001	Pastorale Chestnut 1988	Nureyev Park Appeal	1977 1982	5-h 14-c
		Mujarah Bay 2008	Marju Brown 1988	Last Tycoon Flame of Tara	1983 1980	8-c 2-f
		Mujarah Bay 2008	Tanaghum Bay 2000	Darshaan Mehthaaf	1981 1991	13-c 4-m
	Endaxi Bay 2010	Authorized Bay 2004	Montjeu Bay 1996	Sadler's Wells Floripedes	1981 1985	5-h 1-u
		Authorized Bay 2004	Funsie Bay or brown 1999	Saumarez Vallee Dansante	1987 1981	16-a 16-c
		Too Darn Hot Chestnut 1992	Noble Bijou Bay 1971	Vaguely Noble Priceless Gem	1965 1963	1-d 1-s
		Too Darn Hot Chestnut 1992	Kiss Me Kate Bay 1981	Balmerino Anita Kay	1972 1970	4-d 3-i

Ancestor duplications:

Sadler's Wells

4m x 5m

Unfortunately or otherwise there's a huge chance I'll be pushing up daisies before the first foal debuts in about four years time, whereas Freefall will still be in the prime of life.

Now one with Sadler's Well, Kenmare and Star Kingdom line blood who is in the price bracket is Best of Bordeaux This is the family of Casino Prince who went out over 1600m and Lord of the Land who won out to 2400m. Though I admit alot more speed orientated I didn't mind the types he's thrown at the yearling sales.

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Best of Bordeaux (AUS) Bay 2019	Snitzel Bay 2002	Redoute's Choice Bay 1996	Danehill Bay 1986	Danzig Razyana	1977 1981	7-a 2-d
		Redoute's Choice Bay 1996	Shantha's Choice Bay 1992	Canny Lad Dancing Show	1987 1983	14> 8-f
		Snippets' Lass Bay 1993	Snippets Bay 1984	Lunchtime Easy Date	1970 1977	7-f 20-a
		Snippets' Lass Bay 1993	Snow Finch Bay 1984	Storm Bird A Realgirl	1978 1976	4-j 2-c
	Chateau Cheval Bay or brown 2011	High Chaparral Bay 1999	Sadler's Wells Bay 1981	Northern Dancer Fairy Bridge	1961 1975	2-d 5-h
		High Chaparral Bay 1999	Kasora Brown 1993	Darshaan Kozana	1981 1982	13-c 1-n
		Lady Capel Brown 1993	Last Tycoon Bay or brown 1983	Try My Best Mill Princess	1975 1977	8-f 8-c
		Lady Capel Brown 1993	Kew Gardens Bay 1981	Kenmare Garden Green	1975 1964	1-m 21-a
Bush Girl (AUS) Bay 2020	Ribchester Bay 2013	Iffraaj Bay 2001	Zafonic Bay 1990	Gone West Zaizafon	1984 1982	2-f 9-e
		Iffraaj Bay 2001	Pastorale Chestnut 1988	Nureyev Park Appeal	1977 1982	5-h 14-c
		Mujarah Bay 2008	Marju Brown 1988	Last Tycoon Flame of Tara	1983 1980	8-c 2-f
		Mujarah Bay 2008	Tanaghum Bay 2000	Darshaan Mehthaaf	1981 1991	13-c 4-m
	Endaxi Bay 2010	Authorized Bay 2004	Montjeu Bay 1996	Sadler's Wells Floripedes	1981 1985	5-h 1-u
		Authorized Bay 2004	Funsie Bay or brown 1999	Saumarez Vallee Dansante	1987 1981	16-a 16-c
		Too Darn Hot Chestnut 1992	Noble Bijou Bay 1971	Vaguely Noble Priceless Gem	1965 1963	1-d 1-s
		Too Darn Hot Chestnut 1992	Kiss Me Kate Bay 1981	Balmerino Anita Kay	1972 1970	4-d 3-i

Ancestor duplications:

Sadler's Wells

4m x 5m

Darshaan

5f x 5f

Last Tycoon

4f x 5m

He has a totally different racing profile Furious, but that said not at all unlike one of my suggestions in Dalasan, at least regarding Sadler's Wells, Darshaan and needless to say Northern Dancer.

$16500 for Russian Camelot is maybe not out of the ball park if $15000 is the rough max?

I know we started looking at $15.000 sires and ended up paying $22.000. But after that he soared to $66,000. Was a good filly too, went really well till kissing spine brought it all to a screaming halt.

Look for a sire with great knees and legs Thumbs Up

Which is why I looked to see if any of the family had gone out over a distance SD. Snitzel has done it with sprinter and stayers but the female line can get a stayer also.

Certainly nothing wrong with Russian Camelot with his cross of Park Appeal to add to the interest. I just went looking at the cheaper ones to his limit.

Have great(ish) knees and legs however am unfortunately long retired from the breeding barn.

Though I do seem to remember appreciating a final season or perhaps even two, albeit under sufferance and with significantly reduced opportunity.

Though I digress. Embarrassed