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Liberal Nationals call for a halt to Labor’s brumby cull

The Liberal Nationals have listened to communities in Victoria’s High Country and are supporting their calls for the Andrews Government’s brumby cull to be halted.

Brumbies are an iconic part of our State’s cultural identity, and whilst maintaining biodiversity in Victoria’s parks is necessary, any management of brumby populations must be conducted ethically and sustainably.

High Country communities have made it clear they don’t support Labor’s brumby cull. Even the Andrews Government’s 2018 Feral Horse Strategic Action Plan recognised this, finding that shooting had “limited public support” and should only be used as a last resort. 

It’s estimated there are about 300 sambar deer for every brumby in Victoria’s High Country.

Comments attributable to Leader of The Nationals, Peter Walsh:

“Daniel Andrews is ignoring country communities and Labor’s own policy by pushing ahead with this cull.

Despite targeting brumbies, other destructive animals like deer, wild dogs and pigs are running wild through our national parks and forests because the Andrews Government has failed to put appropriate control measures in place.”

Comments attributable to Shadow Minister for Environment, Bridget Vallence:

“The Andrews Labor Government has failed to adequately engage in public consultation before deciding to shoot brumbies. Minister D’Ambrosio has gone missing in action, and must immediately intervene to stop this cull and engage with regional communities.

A cull is not the only option available to the Government to manage brumbies. The Liberal Nationals believe more effort should be made to prioritise mustering and rehoming of these majestic animals. Any government plan must be humane and recognise the important and unique contribution of brumbies to our national cultural heritage.”

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Oh so true! This from an ex Kiwi friend:

Diablo James As a former soldier, hunter and professional wildlife controller I can guarantee it is almost impossible to humanely kill a moving target from a moving vehicle. As hunters we have a moral obligation to kill ethically. It requires years of experience and practise. Every animal deserves to die in a dignified manner without unnecessary pain or suffering. The cull is a sad indictment on our values and ethos as a caring and compassionate society 😳
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Oh so very true.
Just shows that shooting from a chopper is so inhumane its sickening.  No one goes after the chopper and puts them out of their pain. 
Its not just horses they do this to, either. 
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The Neanderthal leader of the communist state of Danistan, AKA Victoria, is a sad indictment of where we are as a species. How the hell you can sanction this is beyond me, and most of you by the sound of it......if NSW is complicit in a cull, well, whoa betide those bureaucrats as well.......as a former owner of an award winning African Safari Company, we used to operate tag and release programs for Rhino and other wonderful animals besieged by greedy, cruel and ruthless humans, there are other ways of controlling the burgeoning numbers of Brumbies, and the Gov needs to act accordingly....or else!
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Amusing the cover up BS they go on about the humane consideration for the animals on the run being shot from aircraft or motor vehicles.

Fire at the large target ( Bodily) to be reasonably sure of a hit .   They die whenever that way .
Miss too often otherwise , so don't believe that BS .    Most culled are the Roo's. Usually paid for or subsidised by landowners.   Protected or not.    All about Grass.
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I forget which MP it is but he's pushed hard for them in Vic, sharing this petition everywhere on FB; however, some say they prefer not to divulge their address (as if govts don't already have it LOL) & others that they can't work out how to sign Shocked
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Legislative Council E-Petitions

E-petition Number
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Protect Brumbies
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The Petition of certain citizens of the State of Victoria draws to the attention of the Legislative Council the survival of Australia's unique wild horse, the brumby. Brumbies have lived here for 200 years, long before the creation of National Parks or manmade wetlands. They are now under threat from the Government, whose plans are to remove all brumbies from these areas.
Brumbies are an integral part of our social history and hold important cultural and heritage value. Brumbies are ancestors of the same founding stock linked to early settlers and were used during World War I and II.
Genetic sampling has been taking place since 2014, with brumbies being included in the World Wild Horse Database. To date, DNA sampling has established an individual DNA line to Barmah Horses and Barmah National Park, with over 80 samples tested. Victorian Government scientific reports do not differentiate impacts caused by all introduced species or acknowledge the benefits of brumbies.
Mass extermination or uncontrolled culling of brumbies would see the destruction of unique heritage brumby bloodlines from Victoria, as opposed to retaining controlled sustainable populations in all three key areas, enshrining the brumby in Australia's history for future generations.
Brumby bloodlines should be protected in the form of legislation, namely a ‘Victorian Brumby Heritage Act’, which should recognise the heritage value of sustainable wild horse populations within the Barmah and Alpine National Parks and surrounding area of the Bogong High Plains.
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The petitioners therefore request that the Legislative Council call on the Government to abandon plans to remove all brumbies from the Bogong High Plains, Barmah and Eastern Alps and instead manage sustainable brumby populations, introduce legislation to protect brumby bloodlines and establish scientific and community advisory panels to participate in all future decisions for brumby populations, which should include a representative from key brumby organisations.
Closing Date
2020-07-31
Not tabled signatures
11530
Total signatures including previously tabled
11530
Contact principal petitioner
marilyn@oceanlegal.com.au





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Brumbies can fill a useful role in Australian ecosystems, says ecologist


American wildlife ecologist Craig Downer says wild horses and donkeys can make valuable contributions to Australian ecosystems in many different ways. He described them in this poster presentation at the Ecological Society of Australia annual conference in 2014.

Wild horses can complement an ecosystem, or life community, in many direct and obvious as well as more subtle ways. This they do when permitted their natural freedom to move and interrelate over a sufficiently extensive intact habitat and time period.

Dietary benefits, buildings, dispersing viable seeds

Equids possess a caecal, or post-gastric, digestive system. This enables them to take advantage of coarser, drier vegetation and, through symbiotic microbial activity, to break down cellulose cell walls to derive sufficient nutrients from the inner cell without overtaxing their metabolism. In drier regions, this can give equids a distinct advantage.

Consumption by equids of coarser, drier vegetation can greatly benefit sympatric, pre-gastric (ruminant) herbivores, and energize and enrich the ecosystem as a whole. By recycling chiefly the coarse, dry grasses as well as other dry, withered herbs, forbs and bush foliage, the horses and burros expose the seedlings of many diverse species to more sun, water and air, thus permitting them to flourish. The latter can then be consumed by ruminants (see R.H.V. Bell 1970).

Of great importance is the contribution by wild equids of significant quantities of partially degraded vegetation in the form of feces deposited on the land. These droppings provide fodder for myriad soil microorganisms; the resulting fecal decomposition builds the humus component of soils, lending ecologically valuable texture and cohesiveness. As feces slowly decompose, they gradually release their nutrients over all seasons and, thus, feed the fungal garden that exists in soils, thereby increasing the soil’s absorption of water – that vital limiting factor in semi-arid and arid regions.

Equid feces lend more sustenance to decomposers and food webs that involve mutually sustaining exchanges among all classes of organisms. The latter include many diverse insects, birds, rodents, reptiles, etc. This could help bolster many native species in Australia.

The less degraded feces of equids contain many more seeds that are intact and capable of germination and from many more types/species of plants when compared with ruminant grazers. Thus, the horses’ wide-ranging lifestyles can greatly assist many plants, including Australian natives, in dispersing far and wide and, so, in filling their respective ecological niches. This enriches the food web and allows a greater diversity of animal species, including Australian natives.

Behavioral benefits

Horses aid myriad plant and animal species by their physical actions. As an example, breaking of ice with their hooves during winter freezes allows other animals to access forage and water. Many of these would otherwise perish. Similarly, they open trails in heavy snow or through heavy brush, allowing smaller animals to move about in search of food, water, mineral salts, shelter, warmer areas, mates, etc.

A little-recognized fact is that the wallowing habit of wild equids creates natural ponds whose impacted surfaces become catchments for scant precipitation or summer cloudbursts. These provide a longer-lasting source of water for a wide diversity of plants and animals. This can even help to create an intermittent riparian habitat for desert amphibians and many other desert species including those of the Australian Outback. Ephemeral plants that quickly flower and set seed, including many composites, are benefited from these catchments – especially valuable in regions with clayey soils.

Wild horses also locate water seeps through their keen sense of smell and enlarge these through pawing during critical dry periods of the year, even digging down to the sources at rocky fissures. This allows many other species to access water, species whose individual members would otherwise perish. For these and many other reasons, wild equids should be treated as keystone species that contribute positively in a variety of ecological settings.

Role as prey

Wild horses are natural prey of certain carnivores and omnivores including in Australia dingoes, crocodiles, and wild dog packs.

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We seek to prevent the planned slaughter, by Parks Victoria, of the Victorian  High Country Brumbies including the last remaining horses with a proven genetic link to Waler horses used in WW1.

Only one of those magnificent horses returned home. In one of those fortunate twists of fate, the horses bred by the McNamara and Young families on the Bogong High Plains who were numbered among them, were bred with before they were sold to the Waler trade.
Their descendants are today’s Bogong Brumbies.
Those in the east of Victoria share the work and nation building heritage of all brumbies.

Litigation on this issue is continuing and legal costs are rising rapidly. 
The intention is to prevent all shooting of horses planned by Parks Vic and the Victorian State Government. 

This gofundme is to help with legal costs.

We truly appreciate all the help we’ve received so far, as news of these proposed atrocious acts spreads.

We'd like to acknowledge the amazing effort of our lawyers, Roberts Gray, who have been burning the candle at both ends. Always available.


This recent post from those fighting to stop the shooting in Vic.  They have a Go Fund Me page if anyone feels strongly enough that this is wrong.

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What is Humane Birth Control and Why is it Important?

We use PZP (Porcine Zona Pelucida) immuno-contraception to stabilize population growth. It is darted in the field by our certified volunteers, without capturing wild horses. PZP is the only acceptable form of birth control for wild horses, as it does not harm nor influence their hormones and therefore does not harm or influence their reproductive behaviors and herd dynamics.

Any other form of birth control, such as geldings or overyectomies, are cruel, expensive, and will influence their hormones, which is why we do not support those forms of birth control for wild horses.

Birth control is important, because the herd is fenced in by civilization on all sides and their resources are limited; therefore they cannot grow exponentially. The goal of this program is for each horse born in the wild, to be able to live out its life in the wild.

PLEASE Join us in this historic movement to ensure that these beautiful wild horses remain wild and free and managed humanely.


This from a wild horse group in Arizona,  so as you can see shooting or trucking off to slaughter is just not necessary.   The PZP is administered and paid for by volunteers at no cost to Govnt. 

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Yay!!!! Finally something meaningful at govt. level ClapClapClap

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THE AYES HAVE IT ...

Late today the Legislative Council in the Parliament of Victoria moved and passed a motion to cease the Labor Government and Parks Victoria's policy of shooting Brumbies in our National Parks.

It is a significant step for all of us who have fought to save these iconic high-country horses.

This vote in effect says and sends a very clear message to both the Labor Government and Parks Victoria to get back to the table and engage and consult with Victorians. To engage and consult with the organisations who have in the past and are willing to continue into the future to offer solutions that balance the environmental imperatives and the cultural and historical significance of these horses. I too am ready to engage in that process in a mature and considered way in order to find an appropriate way to manage our brumby population.

Some of those organisations have been pleading with the Government and Parks Victoria to do just that including and not exclusive to; Australian Brumby Alliance, Alpine Brumby Management Assoc, Benambra Brumby Runners, Barmah Brumby Preservation Group, Australian Brumby Association, Victorian Brumby Association plus a number of other qualified professional horse breakers and managers.

This is a small victory in this battle but we should celebrate and acknowledge all those people from all walks of life, from across the nation and indeed the globe who have stood up to be counted, who have continued to offer reasoned debate in the face of the massive and well-oiled machinery of government. And especially to my parliamentary colleagues in the Legislative Council whose eloquence and passion won the day.


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Especially the MacQuires,,,who have fought long and hard.  Used their own funds.  Mustered the horses onto their own land.
Yes,  cut down numbers ,,,,but not by shooting.  
How about contraceptives  fiddlesticks.
Works in other places with wild horses.
Yeah but our Gubmint are too dumb to try it.

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Last week wild horse herd managers and scientist came together in Billings Montana for a 3 day birth control conference, organized by the Science and Conservation Center.

Simone Netherlands, president of the Salt River Wild Horse Management Group, (SRWHMG) and Jacquelynn Hughes, AZDA Salt River Horse Liaison, presented together on the SRWHMG birth control program and the importance of government agencies working together with non profit organizations on such projects.

Different agencies, groups and volunteers who have PZP programs, compared results and discussed new developments as well as some of the challenges.

There are indeed some factions as well as individuals who really believe that (native) PZP is a pesticide. There are many untrue rumors about PZP, but fact of the matter is that it saves lives. It does so by humanely controlling populations that would otherwise be completely removed. It saves African elephants from being poached and it saves American wild horses from being removed from public lands.

The Non profits came from as far as Roemenia and South Africa (HSI) to speak to how well their programs are working, some having 100% effacacy rates! Zero negative side effects to any mammals have been noted and on Assateague Island, mares that have been darted for years, are living to be in their 30s! They are healthier because their bodys dont have to go through birthing and nursing every year.

The BLM and Forest Service were there also, BLM speaking to how they are still looking for a product that is more permanent (the golden goose) and the Forest Service spoke about the NEPA restrictions they recently placed on PZP programs. (Making it much more difficult for such programs to be developed on Forest Service lands.)

Despite those two presentations, the conference was fun, informative and highlighted the ground breaking work of the late dr. Jay Kirkpatrick and Dr. John Turner. The presentation by Dr. John Turner included slides of how these two renowned scientist brainstormed birth control for wildlife over 30 yrs ago, from the back of an old dilapidated van!

From elephants in Africa to urban deer populations, to wild horses, native PZP works. It is proving that; with effort and dedication, humane wildlife management is possible everywhere.

Simone Netherlands ended her presentation by stating:
While government agencies are still looking for the golden goose, PZP is here now, it is humane and it works. It has saved the Salt River wild horses and it can save many more. Lets keep up the fight for humane wild horse management everywhere!

With thanks to the #ScienceandConservationCenter (SCC), and the #BotstiberInstituteforWildlifeFertilityControl and Zoo Montana.

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Can you imagine shooting wild horses, in the high country, at night, and calling it humane ?   Thats now what Parks Victoria propose
Their current plan of management states that no shooting allowed until a review in 2021. But they have ignored their own plan and are now in the process of planning night shooting.
Meantime the Perth Mint has just issued a silver coin glorifying our heritage brumby horse !!!
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Aim to be humane.
In all of our proposals and presentations, we predicted that our first year of fertility control would yield between 15 and 20 foals for 2020 and between 5 and 10 foals for 2021. (Compare to over 100 foals born last year)
We were right on the money, because we have exactly 15 foals right now and we are not expecting any more this year.
Why is this so important?
Even now, there are organizations who would still like to see more than a hundred Salt River wild horses removed from their habitat. Most people are unaware that the bill to protect the horses from harrassment, does not actually protect them from removals.
As you know, we have always advocated for no removals ever, but the population of Salt River wild horses has admittedly grown a lot over the past 5 years.
But removing horses brings many problems with it, like the cost and logistics of removal, the problem of where to place them and the cost of feeding them for the rest of their lives. The removal itself brings confusion of the herd, compensatory reproduction, as well as genetic issues.
All those technical problems aside, the public would have the biggest problem with removing any Salt River wild horses. This community is attached to each family band on the river and does not want to see them separated, or treated cruelly, like so many other herds across the country.
So we've always promised that we would bring better solutions that would be a win-win for everyone. We promised that we could reduce the population in a better, more humane way and without cost to the government.
PZP ofcourse has a proven track record, but there's nothing like actually proving it. Anyone can come see that the Salt River wild horses had very few babies this year. Some members of the public even complained that they did not have enough cute babies to photograph. We apologize for that, because indeed the foals bring much joy to visitors, but our program is necessary, because an unborn horse is a horse that doesn't suffer.
Fewer foals born means a more sustainable population. The foals not born this year, won't be having any foals in a few years and those foals won't be having any foals, etc etc, so we are preventing many more than just this foal crop. We've effectively stabilized the population in the very first year of results, exactly 2 years after the start of our program.
The pleasant side effect is that the mares are visibly healthier this year, it is giving them a break from the constant strain on their bodies and PZP does not affect their natural behavior; the family bands are still together and acting the same as they always did.
By next year the natural death rate will start to exceed the low birthrate. This means a gradual reduction of the total herd population. It is this, that is what will afford the Salt River wild horses their freedom in perpetuity.
This humane management program is possible because of novel working relationships between our organization (SRWHMG), the Arizona department of Agriculture (AZDA) and the US Forest Service. We are very grateful for their patience and faith in our promises.
We are right on track to deliver on our predictions for next year. This month is one of our busiest, with over 65 mares up for their boosters on our schedule. So when you see one of our darting teams out there, please encourage them, and thank them for their time, which is completely unpaid.
Please join us in this important mission, so that every wild horse born on the river, can live out it's life in peace on the river.
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Collapse of key argument for Barmah Brumby slaughter
One of the Victorian Governments main arguments for shooting all brumbies in the Barmah National Park could collapse.
The Environment Minister Lily DAmbrosio has approved the eradication of the historic brumby population to reduce the impacts and restore the health of the floodplain marshes.
The Joint Management Plan for the park also outlines restoring Moira grasslands and marshes.
But Member for Western Victoria, Bev McArthur, has queried the need for shooting the brumbies given the management plan itself has identified other causes of the habitat loss.
It is the changed irrigation of the park which has been the primary reason.
Before the river was regulated, the forest was flooded in winter from rain and in spring from melting snow upland swelling the streams.
This no longer happens, and its impact is noted in the plan. Restoring an improved water regime is mentioned even before culling, Mrs McArthur has told parliament.
She has also highlighted recent comments to the ABC by a Senior Wetland Ecologist at the Goulburn Broken Catchment Management Authority that the Moira grasses are in excellent condition.
He said it is some of the best Moira Grass I have seen in years.
It is a rather inconvenient statement for those looking on the demise of the grass as the key reason for culling the brumbies, Mrs McArthur said.
While some damage has been caused in the national park by trampling and grazing, the brumbies are not the main culprits, though they are the key scapegoat for Parks Victoria.
Substantial populations of feral pigs, deer, sheep, goats and rabbits are identified in the document.
These populations should be controlled first they have none of the cultural or heritage value.
In combination with improved water regimes, this would likely solve any remaining degradation without resorting to the slaughter of the brumby population.
The Minister has been asked to immediately release the condition reports on the floodplain marshes.
If it turns out the floodplain is recovering even in the presence of a healthy brumby population what remains of the argument for brumby slaughter will collapse altogether.
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fiddlesticks!!!! My wife and I owned a Safari Company in Southern Africa! in Consultation with the North West Parks Board and the very large Game Lodge we supported we relocated rhino and elephants up to Zimbabwe, we also castrated the young bull elephants and although that in itself causes some disruption amongst the herds, long term it works......if that Woman in VIC that want to eradicate those beautiful animals, tell her to give me a call......fiddlesticks!

BTW, Game Lodges do not mean shooting lodges, they are Game Farms, our Game Lodges shot animals with cameras and dart guns!!!!
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For those of you who insist that brumbies are small and weedy and useless, i suggest you have a look at some of these horses. 
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Brumbies in the Outback!! With the support and guidance of the local station owners I was honoured to being able to find the Brumbies in the outback! Just a few hundred Km's further inland from Broken Hill the drive was worth it...... it did take a number of hours to settle their flight response but I gotta say once they did and was able to have a really good look at them, they did not disappoint! Photo Copyright to Carol Hancock



Sometimes our life journeys dont go to plan but can be just as fulfilling. This boy I dont think has ever had his own mob, he does have some age on him though so I suspect due to getting that eye injury very young, he never has been able to fight/ coax or steal any mares away. He however is always surrounded by young colts and takes showing them the way to adulthood very very seriously. Photo Copyrighted to Carol Hancock


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The battle over brumbies

The brumbies of Kosciuszko National Park have been the cause of division and debate for decades. Tensions are running high in the NSW high country, as their fate is decided. 

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-21/brumbies-battle-in-nsw-high-country-kosciuszko-national-park/100372254

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15,000 BRUMBIES WHAT A LOT OF BS !!!!!!
3,000 -3,500 square km. of searching by private helicopter charter from Jindabyne for supposedly 15,000 Brumbies running wild in the areas of the apparently the stronghold of Brumbies in the Kosciuszko National Park. I am very sad to report that the three of us counted no more than 150 approx. Brumbies all up. We were searching high and low for the elusive Brumbies to no avail [ we are being totally mislead by the reported numbers !!! ] Although there was plenty of development for Snowy2 in Kosciuszko National Park.
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I would say that as soon as they hear a chopper they are gone, they know a chopper brings death
I have seen many mobs of brumbies years ago up in the snowies near kiandra, on the long plain, every mob was in the 100's end more, apart from the odd few mares and their big foals , even in segregated mobs of all bays browns blacks and chestnuts etc, with no coloured horses, and other mobs the exact opposite with all white grey pieball skewball and not a bay or brown etc in sight
there used to be a magnicient stallion down near the junction  of the track along long plain to brindabella, and you guessed it like in the books, he was a black, tried sneaking up on him to get some pics, he was on the side of a hill so me bein a smart ass went round behind him, to get to where he was only to find hed gone round the other way and was gawking at me from the opposite direction to where he was when i saw him
love that country up there, pity the eff it up by slaughtering those lovely animals 
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 I wouldn't mind betting that the black on the top is the one i saw on the long plain road
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Beautiful heads , very proud types and lovely photos . Star
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Unusual elongated whirl down the neck on the bottom one , could be paddock accident ? maybe not. 
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The black one is magnificent
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Who ever these people are who count thousands are just plain crazy.  Talk to the people who live and ride around the Snowies.  Between drought, fires, and trapping , there is nowhere near that number. But if anyone offers to take them up and actually show them, they wont go. They just pluck numbers out of their bums .
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