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Lets see if he gets where he should get.

Luca must be flabbergasted. 






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Originally posted by Foxseal Foxseal wrote:

Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

Geelong tomorrow. 

And duly wins at 7/1. Hope you had a little something on him djebel. Interesting to see Luca Cumani in the part ownership with OTI.

Should quickly get to 2000m and beyond. 




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Trench warfare has had 4 half siblings who were also bred to stay. One unrated by shocking, two by savabeel and one by Cape blanco and have won 4 from 44 between them. The best being the Cape blanco who has placed in a G2 NZ over 2400. Granted this has started on positive but has to overcome the family history.
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Unnamed  
So You Think (NZ)
Bay 2006
High Chaparral
Bay 1999
Sadler's Wells
Bay 1981
Northern Dancer
Bay 1961
Nearctic
Natalma
1954
1957
14-c
2-d
Fairy Bridge
Bay 1975
Bold Reason
Special
1968
1969
19-b
5-h
Kasora
Brown 1993
Darshaan
Brown 1981
Shirley Heights
Delsy
1975
1972
1-l
13-c
Kozana
Brown 1982
Kris
Koblenza
1976
1966
2-o
1-n
Triassic
Bay 1990
Tights
Bay 1981
Nijinsky
Bay 1967
Northern Dancer
Flaming Page
1961
1959
2-d
8-f
Dancealot
Bay 1971
Round Table
Music Please
1954
1963
2-f
16-g
Astral Row
Brown 1979
Long Row
Brown 1970
Linacre
Front Row
1960
1965
15-a
42>
Pak Bun Bay
Bay 1970
Matinee Idol
Philipolo
1956
1960
13-e
13-a
Miss Otto (AUS)
Chestnut 2009
Elusive Quality
Bay 1993
Gone West
Bay 1984
Mr Prospector
Bay 1970
Raise a Native
Gold Digger
1961
1962
8-f
13-c
Secrettame
Chestnut 1978
Secretariat
Tamerett
1970
1962
2-s
2-f
Touch of Greatness
Bay 1986
Hero's Honor
Bay 1980
Northern Dancer
Glowing Tribute
1961
1973
2-d
1-s
Ivory Wand
Bay 1973
Sir Ivor
Natashka
1965
1963
8-g
13-c
Sizzie 'Em
Bay 1999
Flying Spur
Bay 1992
Danehill
Bay 1986
Danzig
Razyana
1977
1981
7-a
2-d
Rolls
Chestnut 1984
Mr Prospector
Grand Luxe
1970
1974
13-c
4-g
Shanama
Bay 1984
Mill Reef
Bay 1968
Never Bend
Milan Mill
1960
1962
19-b
22-d
Safiah
Bay 1969
St Paddy
Flaming Heart
1957
1963
14-c
22-d
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Shocking (AUS)
Bay 2005
Street Cry
Bay or brown 1998
Machiavellian
Bay or brown 1987
Mr Prospector
Bay 1970
Raise a Native
Gold Digger
1961
1962
8-f
13-c
Coup de Folie
Bay 1982
Halo
Raise the Standard
1969
1978
2-d
2-d
Helen Street
Bay 1982
Troy
Bay 1976
Petingo
La Milo
1965
1963
22>
1-b
Waterway
Chestnut 1976
Riverman
Boulevard
1969
1968
10-a
1-l
Maria di Castiglia
Bay 1994
Danehill
Bay 1986
Danzig
Bay 1977
Northern Dancer
Pas de Nom
1961
1968
2-d
7-a
Razyana
Bay 1981
His Majesty
Spring Adieu
1968
1974
4-d
2-d
Macrina Pompea
Chestnut 1985
Don Roberto
Chestnut 1977
Roberto
Exit Smiling
1969
1970
12-c
1-s
Morbella
Bay 1977
Silly Season
Right Bank
1962
1967
1-g
2-o
Dream Lass (NZ)
Bay 2001
Dream Well
Bay 1995
Sadler's Wells
Bay 1981
Northern Dancer
Bay 1961
Nearctic
Natalma
1954
1957
14-c
2-d
Fairy Bridge
Bay 1975
Bold Reason
Special
1968
1969
19-b
5-h
Soul Dream
Bay 1990
Alleged
Bay 1974
Hoist the Flag
Princess Pout
1968
1966
5-i
2-s
Normia
Grey 1981
Northfields
Mia Pola
1968
1966
4-r
16-c
Rationable
Bay 1997
Housebuster
Bay or brown 1987
Mt Livermore
Chestnut 1981
Blushing Groom
Flama Ardiente
1974
1972
22-d
9-a
Big Dreams
Bay or brown 1980
Great Above
Dolphins Dream
1972
1976
1-r
13>
Rationale
Bay 1983
Sound Reason
Bay or brown 1974
Bold Reason
New Tune
1968
1968
19-b
21-a
Country Lass
Chestnut 1966
Agricola
Naumai
1956
1958
1-w
5-c
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Those two pedigrees just won the first two races at Kembla.




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What was the So You Think doing in a 1000m maiden?  Shocked
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Winning SC...LOL
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When you consider it has three crosses to Mill Reefs dam you'd think it could go further than 1000m
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Showed good judgment there djebel , ya know factor in that horse came from Rosehill to Kembla ( decent trip there and back) first start in a race and although on paper was 1000 he would have to be ready for at least 1200 to cope imo, to me it's a barrier trial with money at the end of it , they have to kick off somewhere , well done.
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Shows the great uncertaintly in racing.  Here's the dam's prior breeding record:

Charlotta by Medaglia D'Oro.  2 start maiden, the last being 10th of 12 over 1600 at $101
Chillaxing By High Chaparral. 8 start maiden, last start10th of 13 over 1750m at $201
Missari by More Than Ready. 2 start maiden, beaten 11 lengths in Darwin at its last start. 

And here this one wins over 1000m on debut!  Marvelous stuff.
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Well this has gone quiet, but here's some really interesting stuff to consider:

The three hopeless performers mentioned above, plus a later Street Boss yearling who's yet to race, averaged less than $80k when offered for sale.

However this particular debut winning 3yo brought $260k at auction despite the fact that all his exposed siblings had been totally awful on the track. 

Must surely have been an outstandingly conformed yearling to bring any where near that price.  Shocked
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Originally posted by Second Chance Second Chance wrote:

Well this has gone quiet, but here's some really interesting stuff to consider:

The three hopeless performers mentioned above, plus a later Street Boss yearling who's yet to race, averaged less than $80k when offered for sale.

However this particular debut winning 3yo brought $260k at auction despite the fact that all his exposed siblings had been totally awful on the track. 

Must surely have been an outstandingly conformed yearling to bring any where near that price.  Shocked



He's a 2yo colt.

Must be worth more than Kinane ?





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Suspect we both appreciate irony djebel. Smile
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Yulong Shout - 2yo debuts over 1400m today at Bendigo.

By Reliable Man x Zingo (by Zabeel).

Zingo won a Rain Lover Plate 2400m & 2nd in an SA St Leger - both now defunct staying races.
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SPANISH SNITZEL (AUS)Chestnut colt 2017 
Choisir
Chestnut 1999
Danehill Dancer
Bay 1993
Danehill
Bay 1986
Danzig
Bay 1977
Northern Dancer
Pas de Nom
1961
1968
2-d
7-a
Razyana
Bay 1981
His Majesty
Spring Adieu
1968
1974
4-d
2-d
Mira Adonde
Bay or brown 1986
Sharpen Up
Chestnut 1969
Atan
Rocchetta
1961
1961
2-f
5-i
Lettre d'Amour
Grey 1979
Caro
Lianga
1967
1971
3-o
22-b
Great Selection
Chestnut 1990
Lunchtime
Chestnut 1970
Silly Season
Bay 1962
Tom Fool
Double Deal
1949
1946
3-j
1-g
Great Occasion
Chestnut 1965
Hornbeam
Golden Wedding
1953
1959
1-p
7-f
Pensive Mood
Chestnut 1983
Biscay
Chestnut 1965
Star Kingdom
Magic Symbol
1946
1956
1-g
2-o
Staid
Bay 1968
Minor Portion
Straightlaced
1961
1955
3-i
8-f
Senyuman
Chestnut 2010
Shirocco
Bay 2001
Monsun
Bay or brown 1990
Konigsstuhl
Brown 1976
Dschingis Khan
Konigskronung
1961
1965
6-e
5-h
Mosella
Bay 1985
Surumu
Monasia
1974
1979
19>
8-a
So Sedulous
Bay 1991
The Minstrel
Chestnut 1974
Northern Dancer
Fleur
1961
1964
2-d
8-f
Sedulous
1986
Tap on Wood
Pendulina
1976
1978
14-f
2-e
Skerries
Chestnut 2001
Dr Fong
Chestnut 1995
Kris S
Bay or brown 1977
Roberto
Sharp Queen
1969
1965
12-c
10-a
Spring Flight
Bay 1987
Miswaki
Coco la Investment
1978
1975
16-g
6-a
Spanker
Chestnut 1996
Suave Dancer
Bay 1988
Green Dancer
Suavite
1972
1981
16-c
4-r
Yawl
Bay 1990
Rainbow Quest
Bireme
1981
1977
14-f
11-d
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Pardon my ignorance, Djebel, but has Choisir thrown many good stayers?  Even to staying bred mares? 

I am genuinely curious as most of my mares are stamina lines.  Choisir and his line has never struck me as much of an option for my mares.
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Not that I know of.

This one either stays or he has no future.






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Well it certainly has no speed.
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Originally posted by Mumtaz Mumtaz wrote:

Pardon my ignorance, Djebel, but has Choisir thrown many good stayers?  Even to staying bred mares? 

I am genuinely curious as most of my mares are stamina lines.  Choisir and his line has never struck me as much of an option for my mares.

Not quite answering your question but interesting to see Choisir in this pedigree. Sasko in the last at Warnnambol.

SASKO (AUS)Bay gelding 2014 
Teofilo
Bay 2004
Galileo
Bay 1998
Sadler's Wells
Bay 1981
Northern Dancer
Bay 1961
Nearctic
Natalma
1954
1957
14-c
2-d
Fairy Bridge
Bay 1975
Bold Reason
Special
1968
1969
19-b
5-h
Urban Sea
Chestnut 1989
Miswaki
Chestnut 1978
Mr Prospector
Hopespringseternal
1970
1971
13-c
16-g
Allegretta
Chestnut 1978
Lombard
Anatevka
1967
1969
1-d
9-h
Speirbhean
Bay 1998
Danehill
Bay 1986
Danzig
Bay 1977
Northern Dancer
Pas de Nom
1961
1968
2-d
7-a
Razyana
Bay 1981
His Majesty
Spring Adieu
1968
1974
4-d
2-d
Saviour
Bay 1987
Majestic Light
Bay 1973
Majestic Prince
Irradiate
1966
1966
4-d
8-c
Victorian Queen
Bay 1971
Victoria Park
Willowfield
1957
1965
10-c
1-n
Saskia Belle
Chestnut 2006
Choisir
Chestnut 1999
Danehill Dancer
Bay 1993
Danehill
Bay 1986
Danzig
Razyana
1977
1981
7-a
2-d
Mira Adonde
Bay or brown 1986
Sharpen Up
Lettre d'Amour
1969
1979
5-i
22-b
Great Selection
Chestnut 1990
Lunchtime
Chestnut 1970
Silly Season
Great Occasion
1962
1965
1-g
7-f
Pensive Mood
Chestnut 1983
Biscay
Staid
1965
1968
2-o
8-f
I'm a Thunder
Chestnut 1998
Thunder Gulch
Chestnut 1992
Gulch
Bay 1984
Mr Prospector
Jameela
1970
1976
13-c
A4
Line of Thunder
Bay 1987
Storm Bird
Shoot a Line
1978
1977
4-j
11-d
I'm in Business
Chestnut 1981
Jevington
Chestnut 1971
Todman
Magic Way
1954
1963
1-u
2-o
Rain Check
Bay 1974
Rain Lover
Easter Rocket
1964
1959
1-g
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I'M In Business would have to be one of the great stamina matriarchs. 




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pity more people didn't use Carlton House.  He had a nice pedigree and a stakes winner today from 56 foals.  Some have hundreds and never get one.
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What ended up happening to Carlton house furious?

Did he end up overseas or retired completely.
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My understanding is he has been retired.






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Hes not reported to have died nor sent overseas. Maybe contact Darley.   He might of gone infertile?
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Yes I've seen that in studbook there is no info of travel so can only assume infertile or they dropped him and couldn't sell him?
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Further to my understanding, The Queen advised due to poor fertility he was to be retired.




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Fertility stats were okbut was a hard sell.  Thought he was owned by the Queen, but presumably sold.

Probably been gelded, like Elizabeth should've done with her son Andrew.
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Originally posted by Second Chance Second Chance wrote:

Fertility stats were okbut was a hard sell.  Thought he was owned by the Queen, but presumably sold.

Probably been gelded, like Elizabeth should've done with her son Andrew.


He though he was a stud.....

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