MONSTER OF POWER � Rider A. Spinks pleaded guilty to a charge under AR 132(5) in that he used his whip in an excessive manner, that being on 18 occasions. Rider A. Spinks� license to ride in races was suspended for a period of ten (10) days to commence at midnight on 8 November 2020 and to expire at midnight on 18 November 2020. In considering penalty, Stewards took into account a recent breach of the same rule and that the gelding had placed 1st in the race.

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Horses can feel just as much pain from as humans

https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-12/study-shows-horses-feel-pain-from-whipping-like-humans/12871496

lA andmark scientific paper published today shows that horses have the capability to feel as much pain from whipping as humans.

Racing NSW has a completely contrary view, with its CEO Peter V'Landys recently saying, "we've got to educate the public the whip doesn't hurt".

But the new study reported: "Humans and horses have the equivalent basic anatomic structures to detect pain in the skin."

"Our conclusions are that we need to accept that the physical capacity of horses to accept pain is clear," said the report's author, Paul McGreevy, the Professor of Animal Behaviour and Animal Welfare Science at the University of Sydney.

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But Kevin Ring, the Work Health and Safety Officer for the Australian Jockey's Association and prior to that a jockey for 30 years, said whips are essential for safety.

"Every horse is different," he said.

"Some react better to certain stimulus, some don't, and others need encouragement, simple as that," he said.

"This is about encouragement, not about hurting the animal."

"I've hit myself with a padded whip and other people, it doesn't hurt. It's only there as a noise thing to encourage the horse." LOL

So ditch the whip and carry a bike horn. Tongue

"Two hundred years ago, 99.999 percent of human idiocy went unrecorded. Now we have the Internet."

Errol Morris

TJMitchell wrote:

Scale down the whip hitting the human on the ass or shoulder equivalent to a riding whip and a horse and I'd say it wouldn't hurt very much at all.

Saw some science show on ABC actually whip a human.

She said when contact was only padded bit, no pain.

But when point of contact was the stem (which is often the case in a race) different story.

I seen horses with welts.

Welts hurt them too.

rusty nails wrote:

TJMitchell wrote:

Scale down the whip hitting the human on the ass or shoulder equivalent to a riding whip and a horse and I'd say it wouldn't hurt very much at all.

Saw some science show on ABC actually whip a human.

She said when contact was only padded bit, no pain.

But when point of contact was the stem (which is often the case in a race) different story.

I seen horses with welts.

Welts hurt them too.

What size whip did they use?

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On the lady obviously

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WE6MikeGYsQ

I may have it wrong but are you suggesting a 50gks human feels pain more than a 100kgs one TJ? Confused

The funniest thing about this particular signature is that by the time you realise it doesn't say anything, it's too late to stop reading it.

Gay3 wrote:

I may have it wrong but are you suggesting a 50gks human feels pain more than a 100kgs one TJ? Confused

Not at all but I am suggesting using the same whip on a 50kg woman that you would use on a 450kg animal may have a different effect.

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Nice return Tlaz Clap

and from the baseline too. LOL

Interesting. But while at that site I found this:

"Black soldier fly larvae contains more zinc and iron than lean meat and its calcium content is higher than milk. Less than half a hectare of black soldier fly larvae can produce more protein than cattle grazing on around 1200 hectares, or 52 hectares of soybeans. New research has identified the barriers for introducing fly protein into Western human diets as a sustainable, healthy alternative to both meat and plant proteins." Tongue

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/10/201029104951.htm

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Errol Morris

Something has happened to that horse between it's first prep and it's second prep. Watch it's trial and race first prep compared to it's trial and race this time in.

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Just click on the horses name from the page you linked, it'll take you there. He obviously had a reaction to the whip in that replay, but he wasn't right in the head at his trial before that start either.

The prep prior he is whipped in race and trial with no such reaction.

That's why I'm saying something has happened between now and then to make him react that way.

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Yes only a few would know but when you see such an adverse reaction that wasn't there previously your mind does take you in a certain direction.

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"Neil Farley (Spanish Snitzel) (2nd Placegetter) Pleaded guilty to a charge under the provisions of AR232(b) of having failed to comply with an order, direction or requirement of the Stewards that he failed to use his whip in accordance with conditions of Race Seven today, those conditions being imposed by the Racing Victoria Board pursuant to AR151(2)[c]. In the race he rode Spanish Snitzel and used his whip on nine occasions, being four times over the permitted limit allowable under the relevant conditions of the race. Neil Farleys licence to ride in races was suspended for a period to commence at midnight Monday 22nd February 2021 and to expire at midnight Tuesday 2nd March 2021. (9 meetings, 3 metropolitan, 6 provincial). Neil Farley was also fined $500. In assessing penalty Stewards took into account his guilty plea and the published penalty guidelines surrounding the 2021 Country Mile Race Series. Trainer Con Kelly was notified that in accordance with conditions of the race, due to the breach of the whip rule by rider Neil Farley, Spanish Snitzel is ineligible to compete in any further heats or the final of the 2021 Country Mile race Series."

Very harsh on the owners - jockey gets a pissweak fine and a short spell, the owner miss out on the opportunity for the horse, who had earned by finishing 2nd, a guaranteed place in a $250,000 race.

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