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kiwi88
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Posted: 19 Jun 2022 at 3:09pm |
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To be fair I feel like we hear this every time he races. 'So unlucky the Coolmore'. 'Would have won the Newmarket but went the wrong side' etc. No doubt he's a good sprinter but the horses that go out in front and make the pace and hold on are also as of deserving of victory as Artorius who ducks and weaves his way from the back and leaves his run too late.
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Posted: 19 Jun 2022 at 3:18pm |
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Fair call that
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Posted: 19 Jun 2022 at 4:47pm |
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Horses like Artorius whom I consider a " good horse " but not top class , not only luck in running but the ability to win such a race as the Newmarket , but the champion backmarker can overcome the breaks because their that much better imho , Bernborough , Aquanita , Winx , Super Impose , even the Chat .
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Carioca
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Posted: 19 Jun 2022 at 4:48pm |
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* need luck in running .
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furious
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Posted: 19 Jun 2022 at 4:55pm |
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well the race is for 4yo's and up and we keep sending three year olds over who have to carry a four year olds weight. Considering where he came from and that he ran out of his skin. But boy like Djebel I wish they would go back to the mile races or at least 1400m.
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Posted: 19 Jun 2022 at 5:36pm |
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Surely we’ll see him over a longer trip in the Golden Eagle 1500m in the Spring?
Wasn’t the reason the GE was created to induce top colts such as Artorius to stay in work as spring 4yo’s?
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Second Chance
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Posted: 19 Jun 2022 at 5:44pm |
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That certainly was the idea Foxseal.
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Tlazolteotl
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Posted: 19 Jun 2022 at 6:37pm |
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He's 14th or worse to the turn no matter the distance.
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djebel
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Posted: 19 Jun 2022 at 7:54pm |
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That has been the case so far but he really should be able take a closer position with out much effort over further.
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Posted: 19 Jun 2022 at 7:56pm |
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Remember the Caulfield Guineas?
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Posted: 19 Jun 2022 at 9:04pm |
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Try him over 2000m, he might lead.
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Posted: 20 Jun 2022 at 4:02pm |
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I think it's a good idea to run him over 1200m only on straight tracks. Just need a jockey that can successfully plot a straight course without interference. But that's what happens with get back horses, one of the main reasons I hardly ever back them.
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Freedman Forecasting Another Fast FinishArtorius has bounced through his fast-finishing Group 1 Platinum Jubilee Stakes placing and will now be geared up for top-flight redemption in next month’s Group 1 July Cup at Newmarket. Sam Freedman, who trains the Group 1 Blue Diamond Stakes-winning son of Flying Artie in partnership with his father Anthony, said Artorius left some feed following his Royal Ascot outing but has since eaten up. “He seems to have come through it well, he’s a very sound horse but he knows he’s had the run as he dropped probably nine kilos and left his first little bit of feed since he arrived,” Freedman told Racing Pulse. “He’s just having a hand walk this morning, he’ll have a light trot and canter and just an easy week cause he is very fit and we’re looking forward to his next assignment.”
Freedman believes the steep incline and ‘stiff finish’ at Newmarket will suit Artorius well, saying his galloper’s ability to run out a strong 1200 metres will see him hit the line hard. He holds some reservations about there being less runners present in the July Cup, saying Artorius does enjoy big fields despite his racing pattern constantly leading him into restricted room. Jamie Spencer, who was criticised by some pundits for his ride on Artorius in Platinum Jubilee, has put his hand up to retain the ride aboard the China Horse Club and Newgate Farm-owned three-year-old. “It looks the perfect race for him, we did program him to potentially having the two runs and then we can look to coming back for the spring with the thought of a Golden Eagle or Darley Sprint,” he said. |
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Posted: 23 Jun 2022 at 2:53pm |
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Great to see he'll race on as a 4yo ![]() Artorius' very 'scary' year aheadNewgate Farm's Henry Field says punters should prepare for a 'very scary' next 12 months from star sprinter Artorius. The Group 1-winning three-year-old, who ran a luckless third in the Platinum Jubilee last week, will run in the July Cup at Newmarket before returning to Australia. But stud duties are not yet calling, with Field confirming that at this stage Artorius would be set for both spring and autumn campaigns. "The two races we will give a lot of consideration to with him will be the Darley Classic or the Golden Eagle. One of those two races," Field said. "It will only be a very light spring for him. Then we will wind into a strong 2023 with him." The news comes after it was announced that Home Affairs would retire to stud. When asked about the decision to keep racing, Field said: "Our guys in the horse ... they love their racing. "Secondly, from my point of view, we are trying to make the best commercial decision we can. I feel that horse has so much more to offer. "He is lightly raced, he's very talented. "He is hopefully turning from a boy to a man. And hopefully I think he can be a scary horse come the next 12 months in Australia with the maturity this trip brings on." Field also confirmed star jockey Jamie Spencer would continue his association with Artorius in the July Cup. "He was mad keen to keep the ride and I think he will go into the race with a huge chance," Field said. |
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djebel
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Posted: 10 Jul 2022 at 3:44am |
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Star MILER Artorius should be in for a scary year ahead if they get it out of their skulls that he is a sprinter.
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Posted: 10 Jul 2022 at 1:32pm |
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Artorius camp plot French raid as Soumillon blames ground for Perfect Power lossAustralian raider Artorius could head to France for the next stop in his European summer campaign, with the Prix Maurice de Gheest suggested as a target for the July Cup third. Connections felt he was not suited by the undulations of Newmarket's July course when finishing two lengths behind Alcohol Free. Artorius filled the same spot last month in the Platinum Jubilee Stakes at Royal Ascot, where he was beaten three-quarters of a length by Naval Crown. That form was confirmed, with Naval Crown half a length ahead of him in second this time. Deauville on August 7 is the next date in the calendar for Artorius and a return to Britain in 12 months' time was also mooted. Joint-trainer Sam Freedman said: "Jamie [Spencer, jockey] said the ground was very quick and he was out of his comfort zone coming down the hill, which put a bit of a space on him. When he hit the rising ground he was into his work again. He's never run on a track like this and it was a good effort. "He's a three-year-old weighted as a four-year-old, which is a tall order, and there's every chance we'll come back next year when he'll be better weighted. "He's run up to his form at Royal Ascot with the other horses filling
the places and we may well go for the Prix Maurice de Gheest next, but
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Jamal
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Posted: 10 Jul 2022 at 2:05pm |
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I thought Artorius ran a respectable 3rd. Two G1 WFA sprint placings away from home country is not bad I think.
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kiwi88
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Posted: 10 Jul 2022 at 5:03pm |
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Solid effort. Why not keep him over there since they intend to run in these races again next year? I think he's probably a better shot at winning Group Ones up there than back home against stronger opposition. Look at what Nature Strip did to their sprinters.
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djebel
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Posted: 10 Jul 2022 at 8:57pm |
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Except Artorius is not a sprinter.
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Posted: 10 Jul 2022 at 9:51pm |
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I agree djebel, he was at his top throughout & still kept trying his guts out
it's a wonder he still has such a strong will to win.More idiocy in store - 1300m! French target next for Artorius?Australian raider Artorius could head to France for the next stop in his European summer campaign, with the Prix Maurice de Gheest suggested as a target for the July Cup third. Connections felt he was not suited by the undulations of Newmarket's July course when finishing two lengths behind Alcohol Free. Artorius filled the same spot last month in the Platinum Jubilee Stakes at Royal Ascot, where he was beaten three-quarters of a length by Naval Crown. That form was confirmed, with Naval Crown half a length ahead of him in second this time. Deauville on August 7 is the next date in the calendar for Artorius and a return to Britain in 12 months' time was also mooted. "He's run up to his form at Royal Ascot with the other horses filling the places and we may well go for the Prix Maurice de Gheest next, but we'll see how he is after the race," co-trainer Sam Freedman said. "He's a three-year-old weighted as a four-year-old, which is a tall order, and there's every chance we'll come back next year when he'll be better weighted." |
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Tlazolteotl
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Posted: 10 Jul 2022 at 11:41pm |
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Shouldawouldacoulda
Good name for a horse. Anybody thought of it before me just then?
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Posted: 11 Jul 2022 at 12:35am |
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Definitely is one, or a version of
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djebel
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Posted: 11 Jul 2022 at 1:44am |
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Unfortunately horses do not get to choose their trip.
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furious
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Posted: 11 Jul 2022 at 11:21am |
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Just because a horse is a top two year old doesn't mean 1200m will be their ideal trip.
Look at Anamoe a stakes winner over 1000m as a two year old and third to Artorius in the Blue Diamond S before winning the Todman and 2nd in the Golden Slipper. A top sprinter right! THis year they have started at 1200m then 1400m then 1600m then 2000m for 2nd in the Cox Plate and later in the season 1st in the Rosehill Guineas. THis is the course I feel Artorius should also have taken. Djebel also by the sounds of things.
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Posted: 11 Jul 2022 at 8:44pm |
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may as well just stay in France and go for the prix de la foret in october
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Tlazolteotl
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Posted: 11 Jul 2022 at 8:52pm |
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Need to find a mile wfa race with only half a dozen horses in it. At the very least it will keep cyber super trainer djebel quiet.
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Posted: 11 Jul 2022 at 9:31pm |
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Why not bring him back here for the spring? If they want something around a mile for him there is always the Memsie, Winx, Makybe Diva, George Main and Underwood to try pick off, or the Sir Rupert Clarke and Toorak if he gets in at a suitable weight, or even the Epsom.
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Posted: 13 Jul 2022 at 2:27pm |
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Great interview on RSN the other day with Sam Freedman, he made a lot of sense regarding Australia's training facilities not so much regarding Artorius racing career. https://player.whooshkaa.com/episode/1019796 in 13 starts so far the vast majority have been over 1200m Artorius 10 starts at 1100-1200 for 2 wins. 3 starts at 1300-1400 for 1 win 1 start at 1600m for zero wins. I suspect if he'd had similar number of starts over 1600m his record would be far superior.
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Tlazolteotl
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Posted: 13 Jul 2022 at 3:12pm |
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Did he make a lot of sense on why he's been kept to sprints?
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Posted: 13 Jul 2022 at 3:50pm |
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I somehow can't bring the interview up , but I hope he's not bagging our training centres as I've got time for this bloke and his old man , he may have looked unlucky at RA , and
didn't handle the uphill Newmarket , but that's him , he'll always find a rump to rip up whether a mile or sprint imo , that's him , if somehow people think he's a miler , well dig him up and make him race on the pace , let's see if he's capable .
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