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Passing Through
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Posted: 29 Apr 2025 at 9:55am |
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That is how it was until Dutton blew the dog whistle on it.
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Posted: 29 Apr 2025 at 10:03am |
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Touch hard me thinks
Lets face it....Albo's Voice proposal was his lead act coming out of the last election Spent a fortune putting it together only to create a massive divide in the country 0 out of 10 as far as execution went - 80% support down to 40% ! So I think its only fair Dutton tries to get a gauge on Albo's latest ideas in the same area.
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Posted: 29 Apr 2025 at 10:07am |
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Why doesn't he focus on his UV subsidies?
Sounds like the old dead cat strategy to deflect attention from his woes. Hopefully drag back a few ON voters.
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Posted: 29 Apr 2025 at 10:09am |
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Why doesn't he talk about his nuclear policy or getting woke out of schools or firing public servants?
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Posted: 29 Apr 2025 at 10:15am |
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All very fair points PT....I'm not here to defend Dud Dutton.....perish the thought
None of that however changes the fact that Albo's number one Policy area......the Voice.....was an absolute costly failure. So no need to make comparisons to Dutton PT......we are talking Albos legacy.....its all his.
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Posted: 29 Apr 2025 at 10:21am |
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Shouldn't we be waiting till he is gone to discuss Albo's legacy? After his 3rd term maybe.
Is this election a referendum on his handling of that one issue?
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Posted: 29 Apr 2025 at 10:22am |
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I mean to average punters, not specifically you.
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Posted: 29 Apr 2025 at 11:09am |
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'Hate media', 'welcome to country' - Dutton's polling must be showing he's losing the Hansonite vote. ![]() What else has he got in his (MAGA) bag of tricks? ![]() |
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Posted: 29 Apr 2025 at 11:09am |
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Precise, yet again 1x1. It’s not about welcoming people to an event. The sole motivation is telling people who really owns the country. It’s a political weapon and is divisive, intentionally
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Posted: 29 Apr 2025 at 12:37pm |
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The sole motivation is telling people who really owns the country.
Hit the nail squarely on the head.
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Posted: 29 Apr 2025 at 12:51pm |
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You are getting country and country mixed up.
Welcome to country is like you welcoming someone to Coogee, not the whole of Australia.
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Posted: 29 Apr 2025 at 12:53pm |
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It is still proclaiming who once owned Coogee.
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Posted: 29 Apr 2025 at 12:54pm |
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Or...'smelly place'...
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Posted: 29 Apr 2025 at 1:28pm |
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I see Dutton is copping a lot of bad press over his Welcome To Country stance
Tip - stay well clear if i were your Albo & all your woke mates.......your almost over the line......just the sort of issue that will turn the undecided
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Posted: 29 Apr 2025 at 1:29pm |
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Obviously did learn too much from the Referendum flogging
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Posted: 29 Apr 2025 at 1:29pm |
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"not"
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Posted: 29 Apr 2025 at 1:33pm |
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Quite odd actually
Why would telling 97% of the population that they are really only entitled to visitor status be of any concern
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Posted: 29 Apr 2025 at 1:51pm |
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You raise an interesting point. I asked Chatty, what is the purpose of welcome to country ceremonies. The first thing it said is: Sovereignty - now that's an interesting word. So I ask Chatty: Do the traditional owners have sovereignty? "In Australia, However, So does welcome to country rely on the idea that the Australian law on sovereignty is illegitimate? "That's a really insightful question — and the answer is nuanced. A |
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Posted: 29 Apr 2025 at 1:53pm |
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See what happens when you look at content & not who provided it. It’s an awakening 👐
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Posted: 29 Apr 2025 at 1:56pm |
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Spot on. It’s a dog whistle that’s now being weaponised. Just as Lydia and her cronies
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Posted: 29 Apr 2025 at 1:56pm |
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When are we getting Hawkie's nationwide treaty anyway? Soon I hope.
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Posted: 29 Apr 2025 at 2:28pm |
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I always look at the content. But you only rarely provide it. Nat Butcher was taken out by a hip-drop tackle...no doubt. ![]() |
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Posted: 29 Apr 2025 at 2:45pm |
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I dont think its needed at EVERY event and place. When landing in Sydney I dont need to be welcomed home by the invisible people who own the land and sea and sky. But I do condem those Nazi thugs who carried on when the bloke was trying to speak on Anzac Day. Disrespectful to the day, and place, and the man himself. Again, I find it a bit over the top when they break it out for the opening of an envelope. For major events , yes. For footy games etc, no.
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Posted: 01 May 2025 at 1:36am |
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You are still missing the point oneone.
It has been and always was a part of the Koori culture. The indigenous population who lived on Bennelong Point when Cook rolled in, welcomed him and his crews. They were strangers and they were welcomed. As I stated, in every culture this happens. While western cultures may not have a ceremony or official event (which is nonsense because every time a member of the Royal family visits Australia where ever they land they are met by the Prime Minister and Governor General), that does not mean other cultures should follow suit and reject a very human way of greeting visitors and guests. I suppose people like Bolt who have no knowledge of anything they have not experienced, get swept up in this woke nonsense for anything they do not like or tolerate. What a terrible life they must live, not having experiences outside their four wall box, and these are also the people who allow our governments to govern without innovation and creative thinking so the status quo can be upheld. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but people like Bolt have a soapbox, which is able to reach millions of people, and his ideas are dangerous. I am not saying I agree with his opponents, but this guy has shown, by continuing to push this issue as the most important thing in our nation needs to address, that he is devisive. That is dangerous! |
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Posted: 01 May 2025 at 9:10am |
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Karl Stefanovik of all people made the most sensible comment I've heard about this - if it is a big election issue it only shows how empty of anything else this election is.
I reckon if they just tone it down and speed it up a bit even the Bolt types wouldn't have anything to whinge about. Just make it a nice, polite, friendly thing to do, and tone down the loaded words, IMO. |
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Posted: 01 May 2025 at 10:12am |
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"if they just tone it down and speed it up a bit"
Exactly. A simple "this event is being held on the former country of the Gadical people...and we welcome everyone present to enjoy it..." would suffice. |
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Posted: 01 May 2025 at 10:41am |
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Does that mean we can do away with the burning of leaves & dancing as well ?
I understand we can have different opinions on this....& if occasionally used i may not see it as an issue.....but at the end of the day i think the starting points may be a touch different between a few of us. If you accept the land is owned by Indigenous....& the rest of us are here only by invitation.....then Voyagers viewpoint is reasonable If on the other hand you believe all "Australians" share in owning the land its not.
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Posted: 01 May 2025 at 10:51am |
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"If you accept the land is owned by Indigenous" Different concept of ownership.
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Posted: 01 May 2025 at 10:57am |
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I would also make the point I think traditional ceremonies do little for traditional folk....be it here or any other country.
Go to places like Fiji & the poor buggers are there going through the motions everywhere you go.....being forced to say Bula working in resorts & the like to make out they really like us western types ![]() Stops as soon as you get into town ![]() Tends just to re-enforce the stereotype that they still live in the past & have not moved on How many indigenous Australians REALLY carry out that ceremonial stuff at home or when with friends.....very rarely I would suggest. Which brings me too all the Indigenous Hakas before games.....they too are now over the top imo. Have them by all means....but its become bigger than the match itself as to who has the longest one in recent years.
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Posted: 01 May 2025 at 11:13am |
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There’s a different type of smoking ceremony that goes on in downtown Surry hills
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