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Exciting news. 

Alpine Eagle to Stand at Armidale Stud
Breednet - Media Release - Monday, 30 January 2017
In a major coup for Tasmanian breeders, Armidale Stud is excited to announce they have secured the ultra-good looking Alpine Eagle.

Alpine Eagle

Alpine Eagle

The Group II winner who finished off his races with speed to burn will stand his first season at the Whishaw family's leading Tasmanian farm in 2017.

"Alpine Eagle has the pedigree, charisma and abundant athletic ability that is vital to be a top stallion. He is set to soar at Armidale Stud," said leading bloodstock agent Adrian Hancock.

Alpine Eagle marked himself as a serious talent from day one when he was a dominant winner by 4.5 lengths on debut as a two year old.

At three, he went on to win the Group II MRC Autumn Classic (1800m) at Caulfield, displaying an extraordinary turn of foot when he flashed home in lightning speed to claim victory.

Trainer Tony McEvoy has watched a lot of races and trained some seriously good horses in nearly four decades in the thoroughbred industry, but Alpine Eagle gave him a ride like no other.

"The hairs on my arms stood up as I watched him finish," McEvoy said following Alpine Eagle's amazing win in the Autumn Classic. 

"He really gave me goose bumps when he put on his after-burner in the last 200m, and I have to say that hasn't happened to me many times."

McEvoy backed Alpine Eagle up in the hotly contested Group I VRC Australian Guineas where he was second by the narrowest of margins behind Wandjina, beating Group I winners Stratum Star and Kermadec.

"Alpine Eagle was an absolutely sensational racehorse with untapped ability. He's a horse with an amazing presence and an exceptional athletic physique. He is without a doubt one of the best horses that I have ever trained. He had freakish talent which he displayed but it is a tragedy that the public didn't get to see how good he actually was," said McEvoy.

Armidale Stud, nestled between the Liffey and Meander Rivers in Northern Tasmania, have been breeding winners for three generations.

"Alpine Eagle ticks all the boxes for us, he has the pedigree being by influential sire High Chaparral and out of Zephyira who is a daughter of champion broodmare sire Zabeel. He has stunning good looks and a race track performance that you can't help but get excited about. The Sadlers Wells line has proven to work so well for us here in Tassie. We had great success in the past with Savoire Vivre," said Armidale Stud Principal David Whishaw.

"I feel Alpine Eagle will provide breeders with the opportunity to breed the classic style racehorse which we are most famous for here in Tassie. We can't thank his former owner Mr Wolf Blass enough for giving us the opportunity to negotiate the purchase.

"We're passionate about what we have to offer here in Tasmania and we are committed to constantly improving the local industry. In our opinion Alpine Eagle is the highest profile horse to ever retire to stud in the State and we anticipate strong interstate support," said Whishaw.

High Chaparral

High Chaparral

High Chaparral is now establishing himself as a sire of sires with So You Think, Toronado, Dundeel and now Alpine Eagle looking set to carry on the greatness.

Dundeel who stands at Arrowfield Stud is bred on the exact same cross as Alpine Eagle being by High Chaparral out of a Zabeel mare. Dundeel dominated the first season sires at Magic Millions on the Gold Coast.

Alpine Eagle is completely free of Danehill making him an ideal outcross option for breeders. Sadlers Wells crossed with mares of Danehill descent has proven to be extremely successful globally with champions such as Frankel, Tuesday Joy and Teofilo bred on this cross. 

Alpine Eagle will stand alongside young son of Encosta De Lago Needs Further, who has made a promising start to his stud career. Needs Further's oldest progeny are two year olds and have won three of the four Tasmanian two year old races before Christmas.

A service fee will be announced in due course.

For further enquiries please contact David Whishaw 0407 868 269 or david@armidalestud.com.au



Edited by Gay3 - 30 Jan 2017 at 8:02am
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I agree bradjm.

If this horse had won the G1 that his talent from his 2 and 3yo season arguably showed he could have Armidale would of been priced out of securing him.

Very astute purchase for mine.
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So can anyone tell me the pro's and con's of shirley heights in both the mare and stallion. in our case 5m x 4f. Cheers Slowdown
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I wrongly assumed you were referring to Sh'bourne Spirit, however, were you to contemplate risking Sadlers 3 x 3, I'd expect & hope for the many lines of Special etc. & Lalun to come up trumps Big smile
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yes its an interesting one Gay, 3 x 3 . i am guessing there is little history in Australia yet but perhaps plenty overseas.

the mares i was considering were Sh'Bourne Kahlua (Brilliant Leader x River Doll(Bao Lack))

and                                              Malandrina (Brilliant Leader x The Spoiler(Pride of Kellina))

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Oh WOW Big smile What's stopping you? I'd be on the phone now LOL LOL LOL
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whats the bit you liked there Gay ?
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Slowdown, solely from a line-breeding perspective would rate your family's mares as follows re a match with Alpine Eagle:

1. Sh'bourne Spirit
2. Umagold
3. Sh'bourne Kahlua
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perfect match for Spirit next year
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thanks Second Chance and Shawy. so no issue with the double of Sadlers then ?
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He certainly adds to the distance profile of the progeny, however we know the mare could go fast so with any luck the cross shouldn't be a problem.
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ahh ok thanks for that. and no issue with the double of shirley heights with the lower two ?
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Shirley Heights goes well with Sadler's so no problem if there's speed in the female family.  Plus the cross is at back at 4 x 5.
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At the pointy end of High Chaparral money earners, I can see:

Foreign Prince is 3x4 to Shirley Heights... Shoot Out was 5x5 to Hardiemma, through Shirley Heights and Pentire's dam... Garud & Fulgur are both 3x3 to Darshaan, same goes for Western Hymn. 

They'd all be bracketed in the stayers group which, if i'm reading between the lines correctly, does bugger all to allay the fears that you'd be breeding a slow one.

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Originally posted by slowdown slowdown wrote:

whats the bit you liked there Gay ?


The mass of blue hen duplications in each mating so have emailed them all which hopefully clarifies it a bit for you Wink

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thanks everyone for helping me out. its greatly appreciated. kind of exciting actually ! Great to see the breeding site going off.  thanks also for the emails Gay.just opening them up but at work so a quick look now.  i will have a look tomorrow night at the blacktypedigree site Red Hare. thankyou.  thanks again Second Chance re S.H. Yes certainly plenty of speed with Spirit. Kahlua had a fantastic finish on her . Malandrina might be the query winning from 1350 -2200m
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Have a big night's study Slowdown.  Big smile

But note re the Shirley Heights cross:

Alpine Eagle was effective from 1200 to 1800m.  
Sh'bourne Spirit was a sprinter plain and simple.  
Sh'bourne Kahlua was a sprinter-miler.

So ignore your Tesio profiles etc out the window imo, as there's little reason to suggest that the progeny of either match are suddenly going to go slow simply because of a name that happens to appear a couple of times in their pedigrees.



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Originally posted by Red Hare Red Hare wrote:

At the pointy end of High Chaparral money earners, I can see:

Foreign Prince is 3x4 to Shirley Heights... Shoot Out was 5x5 to Hardiemma, through Shirley Heights and Pentire's dam... Garud & Fulgur are both 3x3 to Darshaan, same goes for Western Hymn. 

They'd all be bracketed in the stayers group which, if i'm reading between the lines correctly, does bugger all to allay the fears that you'd be breeding a slow one.

The Blacktypepedigree site might be a useful tool for you?


I think it was Jack Glengarry who suggested duplicating a top quality staying sire can actually speed up the resultant foal. Fact or fiction I've no idea but I guess Sir T x 2 has been used many times, however I don't have the stats to prove either way & of course, the rest of the pedigree must be considered Smile
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Sadly BlacktypePedigrees hasn't been on here for a while.  Hope Miloslav hasn't transgressed again.  Embarrassed

Vicek's articles are necessarily Euro-centric, and whilst Red Hare may disagree believe a fair bit of his stuff doesn't appear to travel that well into a Southern Hemisphere environment.  Possibly because of the speed influences that appear in our pedigrees which can distort his analysis of NH nicks and crosses etc.

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Definitely a coup for Tassie breeding, really good to see quality stallions prospects such as Needs Further and Alpine Eagle are heading down there, sure Alpine Eagle would probably get a 'better' book of mares on the mainland, but still you know he'll probably get a huge book, depending on how big they set his fee.
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yes i am sure all mainland bookings will be appreciated. No study tonight Second Chance. just got inside . chasing cows and sorting heifers away from the bull in the dark. LOL
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Originally posted by Beliskner Beliskner wrote:

Definitely a coup for Tassie breeding, really good to see quality stallions prospects such as Needs Further and Alpine Eagle are heading down there, sure Alpine Eagle would probably get a 'better' book of mares on the mainland, but still you know he'll probably get a huge book, depending on how big they set his fee.


With the likely fee still in the mid thousands it does become a decent proposition if you like the bloodline.

When you do your sums taking a mare from Vic to Tas and back is still going to be cheaper than going to a Toronado and Dundeel way more expensive.

Appreciate I'm not factoring in current market commerciality but I think for Vic breeders it's a viable option.
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Originally posted by Second Chance Second Chance wrote:

Sadly BlacktypePedigrees hasn't been on here for a while.  Hope Miloslav hasn't transgressed again.  Embarrassed

Vicek's articles are necessarily Euro-centric, and whilst Red Hare may disagree believe a fair bit of his stuff doesn't appear to travel that well into a Southern Hemisphere environment.  Possibly because of the speed influences that appear in our pedigrees which can distort his analysis of NH nicks and crosses etc.

But go there if you will Slowdown.  Thumbs Up

I don't really digest the articles all that much - just a quick skim to get the gist of what he's saying. Agree that the site Euro-centric (fair play there), but he does make the effort to get a global flavour.

That aside, I brought the site up because he's got a simple tool that might cost you a few bob to play with, but allows you to enter a name in any position within 5gen and it will spit out the black type performers. There's probably other programs that do the same, but that's the one I know of.
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Originally posted by Sworn Revenge Sworn Revenge wrote:

Originally posted by Beliskner Beliskner wrote:

Definitely a coup for Tassie breeding, really good to see quality stallions prospects such as Needs Further and Alpine Eagle are heading down there, sure Alpine Eagle would probably get a 'better' book of mares on the mainland, but still you know he'll probably get a huge book, depending on how big they set his fee.


With the likely fee still in the mid thousands it does become a decent proposition if you like the bloodline.

When you do your sums taking a mare from Vic to Tas and back is still going to be cheaper than going to a Toronado and Dundeel way more expensive.

Appreciate I'm not factoring in current market commerciality but I think for Vic breeders it's a viable option.

I didn't consider VIC breeders, he is certainly a prospect i'd have expected to be standing on the mainland.
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Thanks Red Hare. certainly worth having a look at the results as a guide. yes for Victoria its around $1100 return. i would think there would be some bargaining there. Have already spoken to Armidale and they really do want some mainland mares. obviously he wasnt cheap and it will help them cover the cost. very hard to find High Chapp at a decent price. they will certainly get our support.
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ALPINE EAGLE (AUS)Brown colt 2011 
High Chaparral
Bay 1999
Sadler's Wells
Bay 1981
Northern Dancer
Bay 1961
Nearctic
Brown 1954
Nearco
Lady Angela
1935
1944
4-r
14-c
Natalma
Bay 1957
Native Dancer
Almahmoud
1950
1947
5-f
2-d
Fairy Bridge
Bay 1975
Bold Reason
Bay 1968
Hail to Reason
Lalun
1958
1952
4-n
19-b
Special
Bay 1969
Forli
Thong
1963
1964
3-b
5-h
Kasora
Brown 1993
Darshaan
Brown 1981
Shirley Heights
Bay 1975
Mill Reef
Hardiemma
1968
1969
22-d
1-l
Delsy
Brown 1972
Abdos
Kelty
1959
1965
1-e
13-c
Kozana
Brown 1982
Kris
Chestnut 1976
Sharpen Up
Doubly Sure
1969
1971
5-i
2-o
Koblenza
Brown 1966
Hugh Lupus
Kalimara
1952
1960
19>
1-n
Zephyria
Bay 2004
Zabeel
Bay 1986
Sir Tristram
Bay 1971
Sir Ivor
Bay 1965
Sir Gaylord
Attica
1959
1953
2-s
8-g
Isolt
Bay 1961
Round Table
All My Eye
1954
1954
2-f
6-e
Lady Giselle
Bay 1982
Nureyev
Bay 1977
Northern Dancer
Special
1961
1969
2-d
5-h
Valderna
Bay 1972
Val de Loir
Derna
1959
1961
5-h
16-c
Warning Express
Bay 1994
Warning
Bay 1985
Known Fact
Bay or brown 1977
In Reality
Tamerett
1964
1962
21-a
2-f
Slightly Dangerous
Bay 1979
Roberto
Where You Lead
1969
1970
12-c
14-f
Ivoronica
Bay 1977
Targowice
Bay 1970
Round Table
Matriarch
1954
1964
2-f
16-g
Lady Mickey
Chestnut 1969
Swaps
McCoy
1952
1963
A4
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