Go to Villagebet.com.au for free horse racing tips - Click here now
Forum Home Forum Home > Horse Racing - Public Forums > Racing Forum
  New Posts New Posts RSS Feed - Alligator Blood
  FAQ FAQ  Forum Search   Events   Register Register  Login Login


Thoroughbred Village Home Page. For village news, follow @TBVillage on Twitter. For horseracing tips, follow @Villagebet on Twitter. To contact the Mayor by email: Click Here.

banner ad

Alligator Blood

 Post Reply Post Reply Page  <12345 12>
Author
Message
Mr Grieves View Drop Down
Champion
Champion


Joined: 28 Jan 2014
Location: Canberra
Status: Offline
Points: 770
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Mr Grieves Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Mar 2020 at 4:38pm
The owner has posted on twitter that he thinks AB was nobbled like Phar Lap LOL
Back to Top
Sponsored Links
banner ad

Back to Top
linghi11 View Drop Down
Champion
Champion


Joined: 17 Apr 2013
Status: Offline
Points: 7212
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote linghi11 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Mar 2020 at 4:40pm
A little awkward as altrenogest is banned in every state bar NSW. What exactly is he doing giving it to his mares?
to the victor
Back to Top
Xavier View Drop Down
Champion
Champion


Joined: 27 Jul 2016
Location: Melbourne
Status: Offline
Points: 3660
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Xavier Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Mar 2020 at 8:07pm
Cheating plain and simple
Throw the book at him
Karl and Susan Kennedy are my heroes
Back to Top
monty1 View Drop Down
Champion
Champion


Joined: 30 May 2017
Status: Offline
Points: 903
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (2) Thanks(2)   Quote monty1 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Mar 2020 at 8:14pm
Originally posted by Mr Grieves Mr Grieves wrote:

The owner has posted on twitter that he thinks AB was nobbled like Phar Lap LOL
The owner is delusional.
Back to Top
saintly96 View Drop Down
Champion
Champion
Avatar

Joined: 12 Jun 2008
Location: Nunya biz
Status: Offline
Points: 12926
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote saintly96 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Mar 2020 at 9:17pm
Alligator Blood is transitioning to a mare, nothing to see here.
Back to Top
Kimberley Mine View Drop Down
Champion
Champion


Joined: 01 Oct 2013
Status: Offline
Points: 1192
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Kimberley Mine Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Mar 2020 at 1:04am
Depends on the results of the B sample and how much of the substance was detected.  I'm leaning more towards a feed mixup / not using a clean feed bin over malice.  The level of potential performance-enhancing hormones of metabolized altroenogest is really low, and if we're talking trace levels it's most likely a screw-up.
Back to Top
Bonjour View Drop Down
Champion
Champion


Joined: 25 Feb 2010
Status: Offline
Points: 6565
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Bonjour Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Mar 2020 at 5:02am
Of course it's a 'stuff up'', or a deliberate act by a disgruntled stablehand, as Dr Geoff Chapman used to say, you can't ever see into the mind of a rogue strapper and you can't stand guard 24/7!
Back to Top
linghi11 View Drop Down
Champion
Champion


Joined: 17 Apr 2013
Status: Offline
Points: 7212
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote linghi11 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Mar 2020 at 6:24am
Originally posted by Kimberley Mine Kimberley Mine wrote:

Depends on the results of the B sample and how much of the substance was detected.  I'm leaning more towards a feed mixup / not using a clean feed bin over malice.  The level of potential performance-enhancing hormones of metabolized altroenogest is really low, and if we're talking trace levels it's most likely a screw-up.


It is not put into feed. In fact people of breeding age are advised to not even get it on their skin. It also can no longer be used outside NSW
to the victor
Back to Top
Bonjour View Drop Down
Champion
Champion


Joined: 25 Feb 2010
Status: Offline
Points: 6565
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Bonjour Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Mar 2020 at 7:13am
< ="text" id="hexColValue" value="" size="10" style="cursor: default">
Back to Top
Bonjour View Drop Down
Champion
Champion


Joined: 25 Feb 2010
Status: Offline
Points: 6565
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Bonjour Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Mar 2020 at 7:15am
Yes it can go in the feed Linghi, read the Paulickreport, from experience we used it via a syringe down the throat, but now it can go in the feed.
Back to Top
djebel View Drop Down
Premium
Premium
Avatar

Joined: 07 Mar 2007
Status: Offline
Points: 49526
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote djebel Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Mar 2020 at 7:32am
JUST BAN REGUMATE FULL STOP!




reductio ad absurdum



Back to Top
djebel View Drop Down
Premium
Premium
Avatar

Joined: 07 Mar 2007
Status: Offline
Points: 49526
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote djebel Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Mar 2020 at 7:34am
To me, this is just more evidence of Australian trainers being cheap.

Some of these nasty horses probably need more then one person to handle them.

The Japanese and European trainers use two strappers to handle their colts rather than geld them.

Our people just use regumate. 




reductio ad absurdum



Back to Top
Afros View Drop Down
Champion
Champion


Joined: 14 Jan 2009
Status: Offline
Points: 10983
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Afros Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Mar 2020 at 8:20am
Leads to increased costs djebel, might be able to be absorbed by Godolphin, Waller or Maher but the smaller stables would be less able.
Back to Top
Carioca View Drop Down
Champion
Champion


Joined: 13 Nov 2015
Status: Offline
Points: 17269
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Carioca Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Mar 2020 at 9:23am
Most of Wallers walk around the mounting yard in a robotic trance, so how do you account for that.
Back to Top
Xavier View Drop Down
Champion
Champion


Joined: 27 Jul 2016
Location: Melbourne
Status: Offline
Points: 3660
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Xavier Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Mar 2020 at 10:07am
Better that than using poly pipe and a couple of AAA batteries
Karl and Susan Kennedy are my heroes
Back to Top
brave_ponies View Drop Down
Champion
Champion


Joined: 06 Sep 2013
Location: Sydney
Status: Offline
Points: 2333
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote brave_ponies Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Mar 2020 at 10:53am
What KM said. We'll wait and see.
However, simce the news came out, I've been stumped on this fact: AB is a gelding. Even if he is a bit colty still, I can't fathom how this drug could possibly enhance his performance. Over to you experts...

Re: Xavier: Whatever floats your boat   
Back to Top
Carioca View Drop Down
Champion
Champion


Joined: 13 Nov 2015
Status: Offline
Points: 17269
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Carioca Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Mar 2020 at 1:00pm
Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

To me, this is just more evidence of Australian trainers being cheap.

Some of these nasty horses probably need more then one person to handle them.

The Japanese and European trainers use two strappers to handle their colts rather than geld them.

Our people just use regumate. 


15 acceptors for the Mornington Cup, of them 11 are imports , 1 a 9y/o bull from Japan who hasn't won since 2017, 10 are geldings from U.K. or EU. 4 are locals , we won't count them as we geld them irrespective of bloodline , its NSW racings fault if trainers are using loophole, Mr Peters likes the idea too.
Back to Top
Gay3 View Drop Down
Moderator Group
Moderator Group


Joined: 19 Feb 2007
Location: Ballarat
Status: Offline
Points: 46589
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Gay3 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Mar 2020 at 1:20pm
Yes, djebel, of course the Japanese far prefer entires. They don't need to find a home for them after racing, FOC, & the abattoirs pay top dollar for lean horse meat, one of their favourite dishes.
The funniest thing about this particular signature is that by the time you realise it doesn't say anything, it's too late to stop reading it.
Back to Top
mc41 View Drop Down
Champion
Champion
Avatar

Joined: 20 Feb 2007
Location: Goldcoast Au
Status: Offline
Points: 3562
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote mc41 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Mar 2020 at 5:24pm
At the end of the day,he has history accidentally or deliberately administered
Time to learn another lesson. 12 months
Back to Top
Bonjour View Drop Down
Champion
Champion


Joined: 25 Feb 2010
Status: Offline
Points: 6565
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Bonjour Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Mar 2020 at 6:00pm
Originally posted by Gay3 Gay3 wrote:

Yes, djebel, of course the Japanese far prefer entires. They don't need to find a home for them after racing, FOC, & the abattoirs pay top dollar for lean horse meat, one of their favourite dishes.

The Ferdinand story is one of racing's saddest and controversial as his demise and disgraceful end proved the ruthlessness and cruelness of the Japanese trainers/owners/breeders..

They revere their champion horses, but the vast majority end up on plates in restaurants, I know it happens, but as I spent a lot of time in Japan with our travel business, I got to know or learn rather, that the huge crowds they attract have little knowledge of the sad end awaiting the majority of horses up there. They are so far removed from reality, they gat caught in the moment, in fact I feel sorry for them, as they as a people, love animals, they animate them, it's hard to explain, but racing people are far different than the racing public......
Back to Top
Glencoe View Drop Down
Champion
Champion


Joined: 19 Jun 2011
Location: Mt. Gambier S.A
Status: Offline
Points: 1931
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Glencoe Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Mar 2020 at 8:39pm
Where is ULURU these days ? He always had an opinion to give on these matters. Is he still in the industry or does his engine have energy issues?
Back to Top
Batman View Drop Down
Champion
Champion
Avatar

Joined: 22 Jan 2018
Location: Australia
Status: Offline
Points: 1709
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Batman Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Mar 2020 at 2:46am
It is always difficult for a trainer who has previously been charged and disqualified for serious drug charges, to be presumed innocent. Maybe his self promoted claim as a horse whisperer is nothing more then a charade, or maybe horses really do talk to him.
Time will tell but his strike rate seems too good to be true. If it walks like a duck?
Gambling has brought our family closer together. We had to move to a smaller house.
Back to Top
linghi11 View Drop Down
Champion
Champion


Joined: 17 Apr 2013
Status: Offline
Points: 7212
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote linghi11 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Mar 2020 at 7:40am
Originally posted by Bonjour Bonjour wrote:

Yes it can go in the feed Linghi, read the Paulickreport, from experience we used it via a syringe down the throat, but now it can go in the feed.

Anything CAN go in the feed, but why risk it? Horse doesn’t eat up, it’s wasted. Females washing out feedbins come in contact with it? Uneaten feed cannot be repurposed? If you’re going to use a banned substance, why in the world would you put it in feed? But all of this is a moot point as he should not have been in possession of it at all unless he was in NSW or had some broodmares prone to slipping in the stable.
to the victor
Back to Top
djebel View Drop Down
Premium
Premium
Avatar

Joined: 07 Mar 2007
Status: Offline
Points: 49526
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote djebel Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Mar 2020 at 8:11am
We are far too lax on drugs in racing in Australia.

The fact so many of these banned substances are allowed during training provided they are out of the system by raceday is a big problem.

Lasix should be banned completely. That would bring our biggest stable to its knees.

We have to stop pretending racing is a poor mans game.






reductio ad absurdum



Back to Top
Carioca View Drop Down
Champion
Champion


Joined: 13 Nov 2015
Status: Offline
Points: 17269
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Carioca Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Mar 2020 at 9:01am
At the prices they pay today I don't think many would say it's a " poor mans game", even more so what there paying for some of these o/s dromedaries.
Back to Top
Carioca View Drop Down
Champion
Champion


Joined: 13 Nov 2015
Status: Offline
Points: 17269
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Carioca Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Mar 2020 at 9:09am
I must agree with the lasix ban though, a number of times I've seen a horse stretch out behind the barriers and have a stale , it is a little obvious methinks.
Back to Top
linghi11 View Drop Down
Champion
Champion


Joined: 17 Apr 2013
Status: Offline
Points: 7212
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote linghi11 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Mar 2020 at 9:23am
Lasix is a masking agent. It should be banned from use in training
to the victor
Back to Top
Xavier View Drop Down
Champion
Champion


Joined: 27 Jul 2016
Location: Melbourne
Status: Offline
Points: 3660
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Xavier Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Mar 2020 at 9:28am
Agree re the use of Lasix. Should be banned
Karl and Susan Kennedy are my heroes
Back to Top
TJMitchell View Drop Down
Champion
Champion


Joined: 29 Jun 2014
Location: Melbourne
Status: Offline
Points: 14204
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote TJMitchell Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Mar 2020 at 11:07am
Allan Endresz has become the new Ben Currie. His tweets/tweet replies are a fantastic read
Back to Top
Red Hare View Drop Down
Champion
Champion


Joined: 11 Jan 2015
Location: Victoria
Status: Offline
Points: 4233
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Red Hare Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Mar 2020 at 12:05pm
How fast does Altrenogest work? Would it, or similar, be in a float driver's 'first aid' kit?

I mean, if I go out bush with the dog and he gets bitten by a snake, if I'm not carrying a shot of vitamin c, then I haven't taken all precautions.

Obviously, the horse would need to be scratched from whatever race he was heading to, but at least he's not doing himself a mischief in the float.
Back to Top
 Post Reply Post Reply Page  <12345 12>

Forum Jump Forum Permissions View Drop Down

Forum Software by Web Wiz Forums® version 12.05
Copyright ©2001-2022 Web Wiz Ltd.

This page was generated in 0.063 seconds.





Click here to bet with our preferred online bookmaker, Unibet.