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The owner has posted on twitter that he thinks AB was nobbled like Phar Lap LOL
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A little awkward as altrenogest is banned in every state bar NSW. What exactly is he doing giving it to his mares?
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Cheating plain and simple
Throw the book at him
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Originally posted by Mr Grieves Mr Grieves wrote:

The owner has posted on twitter that he thinks AB was nobbled like Phar Lap LOL
The owner is delusional.
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Alligator Blood is transitioning to a mare, nothing to see here.
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Depends on the results of the B sample and how much of the substance was detected.  I'm leaning more towards a feed mixup / not using a clean feed bin over malice.  The level of potential performance-enhancing hormones of metabolized altroenogest is really low, and if we're talking trace levels it's most likely a screw-up.
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Of course it's a 'stuff up'', or a deliberate act by a disgruntled stablehand, as Dr Geoff Chapman used to say, you can't ever see into the mind of a rogue strapper and you can't stand guard 24/7!
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Originally posted by Kimberley Mine Kimberley Mine wrote:

Depends on the results of the B sample and how much of the substance was detected.  I'm leaning more towards a feed mixup / not using a clean feed bin over malice.  The level of potential performance-enhancing hormones of metabolized altroenogest is really low, and if we're talking trace levels it's most likely a screw-up.


It is not put into feed. In fact people of breeding age are advised to not even get it on their skin. It also can no longer be used outside NSW
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Yes it can go in the feed Linghi, read the Paulickreport, from experience we used it via a syringe down the throat, but now it can go in the feed.
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JUST BAN REGUMATE FULL STOP!




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To me, this is just more evidence of Australian trainers being cheap.

Some of these nasty horses probably need more then one person to handle them.

The Japanese and European trainers use two strappers to handle their colts rather than geld them.

Our people just use regumate. 




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Leads to increased costs djebel, might be able to be absorbed by Godolphin, Waller or Maher but the smaller stables would be less able.
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Most of Wallers walk around the mounting yard in a robotic trance, so how do you account for that.
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Better that than using poly pipe and a couple of AAA batteries
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What KM said. We'll wait and see.
However, simce the news came out, I've been stumped on this fact: AB is a gelding. Even if he is a bit colty still, I can't fathom how this drug could possibly enhance his performance. Over to you experts...

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Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

To me, this is just more evidence of Australian trainers being cheap.

Some of these nasty horses probably need more then one person to handle them.

The Japanese and European trainers use two strappers to handle their colts rather than geld them.

Our people just use regumate. 


15 acceptors for the Mornington Cup, of them 11 are imports , 1 a 9y/o bull from Japan who hasn't won since 2017, 10 are geldings from U.K. or EU. 4 are locals , we won't count them as we geld them irrespective of bloodline , its NSW racings fault if trainers are using loophole, Mr Peters likes the idea too.
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Yes, djebel, of course the Japanese far prefer entires. They don't need to find a home for them after racing, FOC, & the abattoirs pay top dollar for lean horse meat, one of their favourite dishes.
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At the end of the day,he has history accidentally or deliberately administered
Time to learn another lesson. 12 months
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Originally posted by Gay3 Gay3 wrote:

Yes, djebel, of course the Japanese far prefer entires. They don't need to find a home for them after racing, FOC, & the abattoirs pay top dollar for lean horse meat, one of their favourite dishes.

The Ferdinand story is one of racing's saddest and controversial as his demise and disgraceful end proved the ruthlessness and cruelness of the Japanese trainers/owners/breeders..

They revere their champion horses, but the vast majority end up on plates in restaurants, I know it happens, but as I spent a lot of time in Japan with our travel business, I got to know or learn rather, that the huge crowds they attract have little knowledge of the sad end awaiting the majority of horses up there. They are so far removed from reality, they gat caught in the moment, in fact I feel sorry for them, as they as a people, love animals, they animate them, it's hard to explain, but racing people are far different than the racing public......
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Where is ULURU these days ? He always had an opinion to give on these matters. Is he still in the industry or does his engine have energy issues?
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It is always difficult for a trainer who has previously been charged and disqualified for serious drug charges, to be presumed innocent. Maybe his self promoted claim as a horse whisperer is nothing more then a charade, or maybe horses really do talk to him.
Time will tell but his strike rate seems too good to be true. If it walks like a duck?
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Originally posted by Bonjour Bonjour wrote:

Yes it can go in the feed Linghi, read the Paulickreport, from experience we used it via a syringe down the throat, but now it can go in the feed.

Anything CAN go in the feed, but why risk it? Horse doesn’t eat up, it’s wasted. Females washing out feedbins come in contact with it? Uneaten feed cannot be repurposed? If you’re going to use a banned substance, why in the world would you put it in feed? But all of this is a moot point as he should not have been in possession of it at all unless he was in NSW or had some broodmares prone to slipping in the stable.
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We are far too lax on drugs in racing in Australia.

The fact so many of these banned substances are allowed during training provided they are out of the system by raceday is a big problem.

Lasix should be banned completely. That would bring our biggest stable to its knees.

We have to stop pretending racing is a poor mans game.




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At the prices they pay today I don't think many would say it's a " poor mans game", even more so what there paying for some of these o/s dromedaries.
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I must agree with the lasix ban though, a number of times I've seen a horse stretch out behind the barriers and have a stale , it is a little obvious methinks.
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Lasix is a masking agent. It should be banned from use in training
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Agree re the use of Lasix. Should be banned
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How fast does Altrenogest work? Would it, or similar, be in a float driver's 'first aid' kit?

I mean, if I go out bush with the dog and he gets bitten by a snake, if I'm not carrying a shot of vitamin c, then I haven't taken all precautions.

Obviously, the horse would need to be scratched from whatever race he was heading to, but at least he's not doing himself a mischief in the float.
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