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And we would've found out if the stewards actually had balls.Wink
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If the stewards protest it usually means it's an automatic upheld doesn't it? Cant remember seeing a stewards protest not being upheld.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote mc41 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Feb 2020 at 3:46pm
Originally posted by Second Chance Second Chance wrote:

Given the excessive whip use, would the stewards have protested on behalf of Alligator Blood connections had Catalyst got up?

The stewards will have to uphold protests if they wish to stop the excessive whip rule,the jocks have had enough warnings.
Lose a $million dollar race because of excessive use isn’t going to make the offending jock any friends
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Originally posted by Foxseal Foxseal wrote:

Nothing better than a tough two-horse war. That was very exciting & thrilling the way AB stretched his neck out close to the line.

And the big bonus is they’re both geldings, so hopefully racing fans get to see these 2 clashing for many seasons to come!

And luckily for us connections of both horses have turned down huge offers... Not blaming other owners for taking the money but our racing would be so much better if a few more were kept here. 
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Look at the race again & consider whether barrier 1 & 1KG less became a factor in the last 50 metres when the NZ horse could not quite sustain his challenge
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What are the anti inflammatories he receives after every race ?





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Favourite in the Mile - won't win - lay him nowTongue - easy money - going to the well once too often.
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If he were mine, I'd send him for a break now and consider the Kingsford Smith-stradbroke double at home, the All Aged at the of Sydney carnival and/or the Doomben 10k could also come into consideration depending on how he is going.
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Madness to run him again this prep
He has done enough.
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Do they love, love ,love the horse (as reported)
Or do they just love, love, love the money he’s pulling in?
Humans keep disappointing me, I wish he was mine.
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The race shape is a new challenge for him, that might bring him undone. I doubt he loses cause they are going to the well once too often.





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Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

What are the anti inflammatories he receives after every race ?


Bute used to be the routine treatment post race just to settle eveything down asap but given it's safe 9 day withdrawal, may well have been replaced, especially if testing now finds it for longer than the previously stated 9 days.
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From the Vandyke thread:

"Great i/view too with the owner on Talking Horses/Jo McKinnon in which the family has gone thru' 20years of hell & his wife now with stage 4 (I think?) bowel cancer + liver + blood Cry so the latest 3.2mill offer was never an option.
He selects his yearlings by singing Sinatra songs & watching for reactions LOL but in the case of AB, was checking out the next door yearling. However, this elicited no response from the target whilst AB gave all the animated signs he looks for so $55k later..........!
The name is from a poker term loosely meaning 'never give up' & refers to the last 20 years of stress (took on the govt. & won)
I think that's about it & I loved the insight."

"The owner said he would not be going anywhere, no matter how much is offered.
He's part of the family who are also involved in equestrian activities, which is what he'll be doing post racing."

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On the 3rd of March, Alligator Blood had a full physical by Dr Stuart Vallance including X-rays of his feet, knees and fetlocks. The X-rays revealed no problems whilst the examination identified mild soreness in his hind muscles which is normal coming off the back of such a hard run at the elite level. His coat is good and he is eating well.
He did some ridden work this morning and his track rider, Aaron Mitchell, said his action felt normal. Emma Lehmann, Alligator Blood’s strapper, was very happy with his mental attitude in the stable and at the track. We will treat him during this week with his regular practitioners (chiropractors, physios, etc.) and we are confident to have him in pristine condition for the All Star Mile.



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How Quirky, Any songs in particular, I'd like to give it a try!!!

Sinatra from memory but that stops short at the specific one LOL



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Originally posted by Gay3 Gay3 wrote:

Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

What are the anti inflammatories he receives after every race ?



Bute used to be the routine treatment post race just to settle eveything down asap but given it's safe 9 day withdrawal, may well have been replaced, especially if testing now finds it for longer than the previously stated 9 days.


Or a spot of ketorolac
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Bugger I am on the wrong device to copy and paste.

It is not a good article about the owner.





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Albury’s favourite son Allan Endresz is bankrupt again . . . but not to worry, he’s got it on appeal (again). In the meantime he wants to tell you about a racehorse.

Alligator Blood is a two-year-old with a rocket-like finish, and a clean leg action that might be modelled on Almost Bankrupt Allan’s own form when chased by pesky creditors.

And now he’s discovered blockchain.

Allan, who is serving out a 14-year ban as a director, is still being pursued by ASIC and the government over a trail of $8.725 million in missing funds from 1998 that Endresz has always made clear he never knew had been embezzled. Criminal charges against him were dismissed.

Yes, his company did end up with the money, but he was the victim here, which is why he spent years suing the government for $4.3 billion compensation. A couple of times in the 21-year pursuit it looked like ASIC and Treasury had finally bankrupted him, only for him to appeal or to open a new legal front that forced bankruptcy proceedings to be suspended.

On March 15 this year Justice Geoffrey Flick made a sequestration order against Endresz for $18.6 million in the ACT Federal Court. Naturally he appealed on April 5, putting himself back in play.

Almost all of his assets are subject to court freezing orders, but a man’s still got to live. The Paradise Papers showed that in a three-month period he spent more than $100,000 on betting and gaming venues, even while he doesn’t own anything. Everything he has is held on trust for a mysterious offshore beneficiary, while he himself, the poor bloke, has nothing.

It’s easy to misunderstand these finer points. Documents from the Paradise Papers showed that he was telling the Capital Security Bank in Rarotonga that he had $50 million of assets in Australia, and he was the owner.

He had an international money transfer business called Ezybonds that came to grief with some unhappy former clients saying some harsh things. The website is “currently offline for extended maintenance”, it says.

But that’s in the past. Now, apart from spruiking the Ezy No. 1 horseracing syndicate that owns Alligator Blood, Allan is working on an exciting new application called Zukaz, with a payment system involving Zucoins, an “augmented reality backed cryptocurrency token”.

Merchants just need to put their faith in an almost-bankrupt who is currently banned from directorships, using an opaque offshore structure, and who says he can’t be held responsible for any debt because it’s not his money. It’s a matter of trust.

“It’s Bitcoin on steroids — without the problems,” he says.

Maybe not for everyone. The picture of Allan on steroids is . . . troubling.

Correction: An earlier version of this story described Mr Endresz as a former insider trader. In fact in 1993 Endresz was convicted of eight counts of price manipulation, market rigging and making a false statement to the ASX, over a $560,000 trade of 4 million Emu Hill Gold shares between two companies he controlled, which lifted the market price by 40 per cent. He was fined approximately $13,000.
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Is he a higher class Peter Foster ?




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Is he the singer?
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Originally posted by Tlazolteotl Tlazolteotl wrote:

Is he the singer?

Yeah, half of foster and Allen.
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Well that's huge news.  


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So much at stake if it is right, Feed mix up to blame no doubt.
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leopards don’t seem to change their spots.....
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Probably a rogue stablehand. All trainers are good boys and girls.
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Would prefer to wait until results of swabs from the horse's more recent starts become available before commenting further.


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But DVD is a horse whisperer. The myth might be a fake
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Alligator Blood - one of Australia's headline horses - has returned an irregularity to a prohibited substance after the preliminary analysis of a sample taken after one of his biggest wins.

The prohibited substance was altrenogest which has in the past been commonly used to control the reproductive cycle of mares but it is banned in colts and geldings.

However in Victoria and Queensland, trainers have been warned off even using altrenogest on fillies and mares because it contains detectable levels of both trendione and trenbolone (a banned steroid).

While the substance is known a hormone treatment, it can be used to calm an unruly male horse.

Gelding Alligator Blood allegedly returned the irregular test after one of the biggest wins of his career, in the $2m Gold Coast Magic Millions Guineas in January.

It was the day where Alligator Blood was on a float for four hours on the way to the Gold Coast after being one of several horses stuck on Queensland's M1 motorway after a fuel tanker rollover.

Queensland Racing Integrity Commissioner Ross Barnett told Racenet that, regardless about the debate of the use of altrenogest on fillies and mares, the use of the substance on colts and geldings had always been banned.

A statement released by QRIC read:  

"Sunshine Coast Trainer David Vandyke has today been informed that after preliminary analysis, a post-race sample taken from thoroughbred gelding Alligator Blood after it won the Magic Millions Three Year Old Guineas at the Gold Coast on 11 January 2020, has shown an irregularity to the prohibited substance altrenogest.

"Queensland Racing Integrity Commission (QRIC) Stewards informed Mr Vandyke that the sample has been sent for confirmatory testing at an interstate laboratory."

Racenet contacted Vandyke for comment on the matter and he sent through a pre-prepared statement which read: "I was informed today that Alligator Blood has returned an irregularity to altrenogest after his win on 11 January at the Gold Coast," Vandyke said.

"There is a B sample under review.

"Altrenogest is a drug that has never been used to my knowledge on Alligator Blood or any male horse in our stable.

"It is used in our stable under the brand name Ovumate and is given to some female horses under our care with accurate records kep surrounding administration.

"Those records have been given to QRIC.

"We are in the process of reviewing our security and stable management.

"There will be no further comment as we await the result of the B sample."

Alligator Blood has won 10 from 12 races with his only defeats being a narrow runner-up finish in last year's Group I Caulfield Guineas and when finishing 10th as the $2.80 favourite in the All-Star Mile last Saturday.

Earlier this autumn, he won his first Melbourne race in an epic battle against Kiwi Catalyst down the straight in the CS Hayes Stakes before claiming his first Group I win in the Australian Guineas.

Vandyke and owner Allan Endresz have taken the public along for the ride with their horse - doing countless media promotions and interviews in the lead-up to the All-Star Mile.

Endresz, whose wife Joy is dying of cancer, had threatened to scratch Alligator Blood from the All-Star Mile last Friday when officials enforced a fan and owner lockout at Caulfield due to coronavirus concerns.

But the Melbourne Racing Club organised a nearby function room for the Alligator Blood team to watch the All-Star Mile and the threat to scratch the star galloper was withdrawn.

Alligator Blood is now spelling with connections planning to target a rich payday in the Sydney spring in the $15m The Everest and the $7.5m Golden Eagle.

A QRIC spokesperson said officials had arrived at Vandyke's Sunshine Coast stable on Wednesday to inform him of the prohibited substance irregularity but that was a routine practice in such circumstances.

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