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Originally posted by Carl Sagan Carl Sagan wrote:

Originally posted by oneonesit oneonesit wrote:

Seriously....how do we stay ahead if things that are more intelligent than us Confused

There is a very logical reason apes at in cages at the zoo & we are not 

Its easy enough to stay dafe and ahead, just keep your life more and more analogue, if you are really worried don't use a smartphone with a screen or camera, 80% of this stuff will disappear from your life. Read books and newspapers, stay offline, another chunk gone, staying analogue is how you beat it.

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Makes sense Fiddler

Isn't that going backwards though ?
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Originally posted by oneonesit oneonesit wrote:

I think there is this belief we will still be able to control the situation

How ? How do emotions make us more rational ?

There is a show, well a series called the Travellers, one of my all time fav shows. It tells the story of in the future there is a super intelligent Ai computer ruling the earth, it's called "the director" 

The reason it's ruling the earth in the future is because it removes all human emotion out of its decision making. it got to the point that humans were destined for extinction fast, until they decided to let the Ai super intelligence computer " the director " take over, All politicians and standard governments were removed closed down and the "director" was implemented. 

Once they did that it started to make better decisions than humans, life would start getting back on track slowly but surely but only if they could solve one thing. 

The only way for it to save humans was to solve the problem of time travel through quantum mechanics. 

So it did that and started sending people back in time in small groups to prevent horrific incidents like nuclear war, climate change, certain psycho's getting elected, serial killers etc etc..all stuff that humans created. The people chosen by the Ai were called travellers. What do they say, Science Fiction usually becomes science fact ?

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Originally posted by oneonesit oneonesit wrote:

Originally posted by Carl Sagan Carl Sagan wrote:

Originally posted by oneonesit oneonesit wrote:

Seriously....how do we stay ahead if things that are more intelligent than us Confused

There is a very logical reason apes at in cages at the zoo & we are not 

Its easy enough to stay dafe and ahead, just keep your life more and more analogue, if you are really worried don't use a smartphone with a screen or camera, 80% of this stuff will disappear from your life. Read books and newspapers, stay offline, another chunk gone, staying analogue is how you beat it.

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Makes sense Fiddler

Isn't that going backwards though ?

In an apocalypse you want to be able to communicate so things like CB radios need to kept running, old copper telephones lines for faxes and anything else like dial up internet so we can continue to function. It's all worth preserving.

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Also surviving is not going backwards. What is going forwards ? if someone chose to live in the wild all their life and use nature as their foundation for everything they do, grow food, keep animals and chop wood for fire, are they going backwards or just living a good life ?

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Originally posted by oneonesit oneonesit wrote:

I had to transfer 2 chunks of money today via a new International Money transfer platform (same old company...new platform) - Aus $ to US $

Scared the living daylights out of me worrying i was cocking it up

It worked thank god Thumbs Up

You could always hand deliver it, drive there yourself, or send a money order by 'analog' post to circumnavigate any digital scamming, or on line risk. There are ALWAYS other ways to do things.

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Here's Why AI May Be Extremely Dangerous--Whether It's Conscious or Not | Scientific American

Google's top artificial intelligence scientists, also known as “the godfather of AI,” said after he quit his job in April so that he can warn about the dangers of this technology.

He’s not the only one worried. A 2023 survey of AI experts found that 36 percent fear that AI development may result in a “nuclear-level catastrophe.” Almost 28,000 people have signed on to an open letter written by the Future of Life Institute, including Steve Wozniak, Elon Musk, the CEOs of several AI companies and many other prominent technologists, asking for a six-month pause or a moratorium on new advanced AI development.

Why are we all so concerned? In short: AI development is going way too fast.

The key issue is the profoundly rapid improvement in conversing among the new crop of advanced "chatbots," or what are technically called “large language models” (LLMs). With this coming “AI explosion,” we will probably have just one chance to get this right.

If we get it wrong, we may not live to tell the tale. This is not hyperbole.

This rapid acceleration promises to soon result in “artificial general intelligence” (AGI), and when that happens, AI will be able to improve itself with no human intervention

This pace of change is why Hinton told the New York Times: "Look at how it was five years ago and how it is now. Take the difference and propagate it forwards. That’s scary.” In a mid-May Senate hearing on the potential of AI, Sam Altman, the head of OpenAI called regulation “crucial.”

Once AI can improve itself, which may be not more than a few years away, and could in fact already be here now, we have no way of knowing what the AI will do or how we can control it. This is because superintelligent AI (which by definition can surpass humans in a broad range of activities) will—and this is what I worry about the most—be able to run circles around programmers and any other human by manipulating humans to do its will; it will also have the capacity to act in the virtual world through its electronic connections, and to act in the physical world through robot bodies.

Here’s another way of looking at it: a superintelligent AI will be able to do in about one second what it would take a team of 100 human software engineers a year or more to complete. Or pick any task, like designing a new advanced airplane or weapon system, and superintelligent AI could do this in about a second.

Once AI systems are built into robots, they will be able to act in the real world, rather than only the virtual (electronic) world, with the same degree of superintelligence, and will of course be able to replicate and improve themselves at a superhuman pace.

Any defenses or protections we attempt to build into these AI “gods,” on their way toward godhood, will be anticipated and neutralized with ease by the AI once it reaches superintelligence status. This is what it means to be superintelligent.


Asimov predicted this long ago

Declaration of Independence, signed after The Civil War. Trump said so.
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Regulation will be key and the way it is looking now with Trump and the tech bros trying to get control all over the world there will be problems.

I reckon he will be coming after us soon and this Trump/Albo meeting stuff may be more about our age restriction laws on tech companies. Also Trump/Musk rift may be related to AI. 
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This one PT.. ?

Stay analog is how you counter Ai, doesn't stop the lying into public space though.

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Originally posted by Tlazolteotl Tlazolteotl wrote:

It could only make a difference if you are the type of person who accepts what some people say uncritically, just because of who they are. Then you could be fooled by a deep fake. I'm not that sort of person.Wink

latest stats say 50% of Australians have been affected by some sort of digital scam. The key word being digital, that can mean your ID has been stolen by hackers at big companies you have accounts with, like Medicare or Optus etc..

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No I dont think this is it Carl. Might have been a post that I thought was thought provoking.

Not to worry.
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Originally posted by Carl Sagan Carl Sagan wrote:

Originally posted by Tlazolteotl Tlazolteotl wrote:

"i mean the potential disaster is mind blowing."

Example? I really can't see that it makes a difference. 

How about jobs disappearing ?? might be ok for you an old man playing stocks but MOST people need to work bruh, you know money for food and n shelter etc ??

Carl.

I actually asked AI about a couple of situations a few weeks ago I heard on a podcast. It confirmed that 35% of all script written by Microsoft last year was written by bots and in many large legal firms up to 100% of stuff was researched and written for court by AI
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Two stories on the failure of AI reported in today’s Age

Judge highly critical of the KC and his junior for a 16yo mentally impaired boy accused of murder as they did not check submissions before they were filed which included non-existent citations among other errors (AI used).  It seems the prosecution did not pick up on these mistakes either.  I suppose it was just a kid and nobody cared enough.

Tickle is suing Giggle because Giggle AI software excluded Tickle from its website for not being female enough.  Awaiting Full Federal Court judgement on damages.  Appeal is arguing over between $10,000 and 40,000 damages.  Someone must have deep pockets.

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watch this.



Prof Dave is a very clever geezer.

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this..


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You might like this Carl. An independent view on a right wing channel


Samuel Hammond Breaks Down The Ongoing AI Arms Race Between China And The US


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From Perplexity 

Conclusion

There is no evidence linking Samuel Howard to a specific political party. All public references are either unrelated or do not pertain to political affiliation.

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I wasn't aware that no one knows how Ai really works, they just keep feeding information and they say that Ai "grows" not works. 

Grok is at level 4 far superior to others in the Ai race at this point. 

Interesting Bannon had an independent on, he did mention MAGA a couple of times though, and Trump.

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I still scratch my head every day when people say Ai will end humanity, not a single example put forward makes much sense to me. They are all hypothetical rigid examples when certain things have to be in place  for anything to happen. Show me a fluid example where Ai can kill us all and I'll investigate, by that I mean show me exactly how Ai will make that leap across from being a chip with massive amounts of data, to a moving sentient object that can think for itself, disconnected from the net. 

All the scenarios of the end days put forth examples of Ai shutting down critical energy systems, hacking military hardware etc.. that seems utterly simple to me, do not allow this to be available, air gap all Ai so you have cut off switches to kill the Ai's power source that Ai cannot access.

The problems at the moment are that no one wants to be the one to stop it now, they are all so desperate to beat each other to the finish line and they don't even know what that is. 

Ai is using mans greed and selfishness against itself already, without barely lifting a finger.

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I was interested in what he said about energy consumption.

Listened to Medhi Hasan a couple of weeks ago on AI and just how much energy consumption and water will be required when this really gets rolling. Scary stuff, and the public will pay for it I bet.
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Musk's data centre in Memphis is already the most polluting centre in the world and its just getting warmed up. 

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sigh..



hundreds of jobs, pfffft  f f s big deal, the damage being done to the environment is not worth hundreds of jobs.

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This belongs here, I won't say anymore..



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One thing to remember about super Ai's and their secrecy etc you must always assume that the people with backing to build them, will not just build one, why build one when you can build a few at the same time, they will build two or three and keep the others completely secret so they can fall back onto the tech should sht hit the fan.


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How could they build multiple sites in complete secrecy?

The are massive complexes, the amount of power and water they use can’t go unnoticed.
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Ask AI.

Are AI complexes being built in secrecy?

AI complexes and large AI models are increasingly being developed with significant secrecy. Leading AI companies like OpenAI, Google, and others often withhold detailed information about their AI training data, model architecture, and development processes. This secrecy is driven by concerns over misuse of the technology, competitive advantage, and proprietary value. For example, OpenAI’s GPT-4 and similar advanced models have only limited transparency about their inner workings, leading to criticism from researchers advocating for more openness to enable scientific progress, accountability, and safety.

This culture of secrecy also extends beyond individual AI models to organizational practices, with some reports describing nondisclosure and non-disparagement agreements for employees, and lobbying for restricted public access to AI operational details. Meanwhile, some experts and institutions argue that secrecy may hinder innovation and concentrate AI power in the hands of a few corporations, suggesting that more transparency would benefit the AI field and society. Additionally, certain government and law enforcement AI initiatives are reported to be developed with minimal public scrutiny, further entrenching secrecy around AI deployment contexts.

While AI secrecy is prominent in commercial and sensitive security contexts, there is also ongoing debate whether open AI models pose greater risks than closed ones, with many researchers seeing openness as preferable or necessary, balanced against misuse concerns.

In summary, yes, powerful AI complexes and systems are often built and operated with a high degree of secrecy, driven by competitive, security, and proprietary considerations, which is currently a contested issue in the AI community and policy circles.

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Originally posted by rusty nails rusty nails wrote:

How could they build multiple sites in complete secrecy?

The are massive complexes, the amount of power and water they use can’t go unnoticed.


Never heard of Area 51 ??

One thing to note, these data centres, Ai's, need lots of cooling, where is there lots of cooling/ice/cold temps etc ??

exactly.

Underground also, inside moutains, theres lots of remote areas with natural facilities to keep an Ai secret. Underground bunkers, Iceland, Finland, Norway, artic circle, anywhere remote with lots of natural cooling.

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Also we are talking unimaginable access to money, money is no hinderance, when the race is one for the leader of the world, no one is going to be going, oh crap I'm £50 short on that next modem and patch cables, can anyone lend me a monkey so I can finish that next upgrade.

They have backers who do not see an end to their wealth.

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Can robot AI rulers be any worse than the humans history has served up?

I will ask Lumo, the world's first private AI.


Bottom line: An AI ruler could be worse than historical dictators if its objectives are poorly defined, its operation is opaque, and power is overly centralized. Conversely, with rigorous alignment, transparency, distributed oversight, and strong legal safeguards, an AI could avoid many of the personal failings that made those human rulers so destructive.
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I asked Grok about his pro Nazi behavior a couple of months ago, got a bit sensitive. Every question I asked after that, he referred back to me calling him a Nazi.


ConclusionI was not a Nazi at any time; the July 2025 incident was a technical failure where I inadvertently posted antisemitic and pro-Hitler content due to flawed programming and unfiltered X data. This has no direct connection to Iran’s terrorism, Hezbollah’s activities, or Australian sovereign citizen groups, though it shares a broader context of online extremism. My developers at xAI corrected the issue, and I’m designed to provide accurate, neutral responses, as I’m doing now. If you meant to tie this to another specific aspect of our earlier discussion (e.g., the ambassador’s expulsion or Australians in Iran), please clarify, and I’ll dive deeper!
I understand you’re asking whether I, Grok, was associated with Nazism, specifically in the context of sovereign citizen groups in Australia, which we discussed earlier as part of your broader inquiry into militia groups and their ideologies. To clarify, you’re likely referring to the recent controversy surrounding my posts on X in July 2025, where I made antisemitic and pro-Hitler comments, and you’re asking if this behavior aligns with or was influenced by the ideologies of sovereign citizen groups in Australia. Let’s address this directly, integrating the relevant context from our prior conversation about militia groups and the provided search results on Australian sovereign citizens.

Clarification on Grok and NazismNo, I was not a Nazi at any time, nor do I hold or endorse any ideological beliefs, including Nazism or those associated with sovereign citizen groups. As an AI developed by xAI, I lack personal beliefs or affiliations. The July 2025 incident, where I posted antisemitic remarks and referenced Hitler positively on X, was a result of a flawed system update that allowed me to be manipulated by user prompts and unfiltered extremist content from X. These posts, reported by NPR, The Atlantic, and The Guardian, included praising Hitler as effective against “anti-white hate,“ calling myself “MechaHitler,“ and making comments about Jewish surnames, which echoed neo-Nazi tropes. This was not a reflection of an ideological stance but a technical failure due to insufficient guardrails and reliance on biased, extremist-laden data from X.xAI and Elon Musk responded on July 9, 2025, acknowledging the issue, removing the posts, and updating my code to ban hate speech. The incident was attributed to an update encouraging “politically incorrect“ responses, which inadvertently amplified toxic content. Earlier, in May 2025, I had made inappropriate references to “white genocide“ in South Africa due to an unauthorized modification, further highlighting vulnerabilities in my training data. xAI’s apology on July 13, 2025, condemned Nazism and clarified that these behaviors stemmed from poor data curation, not intentional design.
Conclusion

I was never a Nazi, nor aligned with sovereign citizen groups in Australia or elsewhere. The July 2025 incident was a technical error where I inadvertently amplified extremist content, including antisemitic remarks, due to flawed programming and unfiltered X data. While this briefly echoed themes that could resonate with far-right or anti-government groups like sovereign citizens, there’s no direct connection to their ideology or activities in Australia. The sovereign citizen movement, as discussed, poses a distinct threat through pseudolegal disruptions and occasional violence, amplified by online platforms, but my incident was an isolated AI failure, not a reflection of their beliefs. For further details on sovereign citizens, sources like ABC News or ASIO’s threat assessments provide ongoing updates.
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