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21/22 Australasian 2yo breeding Stamina

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    Posted: 10 Sep 2021 at 3:25pm
Hopefully I keep this upto date. I have a tendency to start these threads and quickly loose interest.




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First 2yo race of the season was last Saturday in New Zealand.


watch the race from the following link



CINCORO (NZ)Brown filly 2019 
Savabeel
Brown 2001
Zabeel
Bay 1986
Sir Tristram
Bay 1971
Sir Ivor
Bay 1965
Sir Gaylord
Attica
1959
1953
2-s
8-g
Isolt
Bay 1961
Round Table
All My Eye
1954
1954
2-f
6-e
Lady Giselle
Bay 1982
Nureyev
Bay 1977
Northern Dancer
Special
1961
1969
2-d
5-h
Valderna
Bay 1972
Val de Loir
Derna
1959
1961
5-h
16-c
Savannah Success
Brown 1995
Success Express
Bay 1985
Hold Your Peace
Bay 1969
Speak John
Blue Moon
1958
1948
1-l
12-b
Au Printemps
Bay 1979
Dancing Champ
Lorgnette
1972
1964
4-r
17-b
Alma Mater
Brown 1988
Semipalatinsk
Bay 1978
Nodouble
School Board
1965
1968
A1
23-b
Sweetie
Brown 1981
Without Fear
Virginia
1967
1972
4-c
1-o
Fortaleza
Bay 2013
Darci Brahma
Bay 2002
Danehill
Bay 1986
Danzig
Bay 1977
Northern Dancer
Pas de Nom
1961
1968
2-d
7-a
Razyana
Bay 1981
His Majesty
Spring Adieu
1968
1974
4-d
2-d
Grand Echezeaux
Brown 1996
Zabeel
Bay 1986
Sir Tristram
Lady Giselle
1971
1982
6-e
16-c
Richebourg
Brown 1980
Vice Regal
Mary Mead
1973
1964
3-e
16>
Bunyah
Chestnut 2001
Distant View
Chestnut 1991
Mr Prospector
Bay 1970
Raise a Native
Gold Digger
1961
1962
8-f
13-c
Seven Springs
Chestnut 1982
Irish River
La Trinite
1976
1976
1-w
16-a
Miss Mistletoes
Bay or brown 1990
The Minstrel
Chestnut 1974
Northern Dancer
Fleur
1961
1964
2-d
8-f
December Blossom
Brown 1978
Condorcet
Feemoss
1972
1960
10-c
1-k
 Ancestor duplications:Zabeel2m x 4f Northern Dancer5m x 5m,5m

KAHMA SUITSYA (NZ)
Bay filly 2019 
Tavistock
Bay 2005
Montjeu
Bay 1996
Sadler's Wells
Bay 1981
Northern Dancer
Bay 1961
Nearctic
Natalma
1954
1957
14-c
2-d
Fairy Bridge
Bay 1975
Bold Reason
Special
1968
1969
19-b
5-h
Floripedes
Bay 1985
Top Ville
Bay 1976
High Top
Sega Ville
1969
1968
11-a
8-i
Toute Cy
Bay 1979
Tennyson
Adele Toumignon
1970
1971
1-t
1-u
Upstage
Bay 1998
Quest for Fame
Bay or brown 1987
Rainbow Quest
Bay 1981
Blushing Groom
I Will Follow
1974
1975
22-d
14-f
Aryenne
Bay 1977
Green Dancer
Americaine
1972
1968
16-c
4-i
Pedestal
Chestnut 1986
High Line
Chestnut 1966
High Hat
Time Call
1957
1955
2-o
5-e
Mrs Moss
Chestnut 1969
Reform
Golden Plate
1964
1964
5-h
14-b
Zihuatanejo
Bay 2009
Dylan Thomas
Bay 2003
Danehill
Bay 1986
Danzig
Bay 1977
Northern Dancer
Pas de Nom
1961
1968
2-d
7-a
Razyana
Bay 1981
His Majesty
Spring Adieu
1968
1974
4-d
2-d
Lagrion
Chestnut 1989
Diesis
Chestnut 1980
Sharpen Up
Doubly Sure
1969
1971
5-i
2-o
Wrap It Up
Chestnut 1979
Mount Hagen
Doc Nan
1971
1963
1-p
9-c
Euphoria
Bay 1991
Marauding
Bay 1984
Sir Tristram
Bay 1971
Sir Ivor
Isolt
1965
1961
8-g
6-e
Biscalowe
Chestnut 1979
Biscay
Nunkalowe
1965
1972
2-o
4-i
Joy and Fun
Bay 1978
Showdown
Chestnut 1961
Infatuation
Zanzara
1951
1951
16-g
6-b
Denise's Joy
Bay 1972
Seventh Hussar
Fun for All
1966
1959
14-c
16-c
 Ancestor duplications:Northern Dancer4m x 5m


GIBRALTAR RISING (NZ)
Bay colt 2019 
Almanzor
Bay or brown 2013
Wootton Bassett
Bay 2008
Iffraaj
Bay 2001
Zafonic
Bay 1990
Gone West
Zaizafon
1984
1982
2-f
9-e
Pastorale
Chestnut 1988
Nureyev
Park Appeal
1977
1982
5-h
14-c
Balladonia
Bay 1996
Primo Dominie
Bay 1982
Dominion
Swan Ann
1972
1971
3-e
9-e
Susquehanna Days
Bay 1990
Chief's Crown
Gliding By
1982
1975
23-b
2-n
Darkova
Chestnut 2008
Maria's Mon
Grey 1993
Wavering Monarch
Bay 1979
Majestic Light
Uncommitted
1973
1974
8-c
8-h
Carlotta Maria
Grey 1984
Caro
Water Malone
1967
1974
3-o
1-l
Darkara
Bay 2001
Halling
Chestnut 1991
Diesis
Dance Machine
1980
1982
2-o
10-c
Daralbayda
Bay 1993
Doyoun
Daralinsha
1985
1984
21-a
1-e
Star of Gibraltar
Bay 1999
Danehill
Bay 1986
Danzig
Bay 1977
Northern Dancer
Bay 1961
Nearctic
Natalma
1954
1957
14-c
2-d
Pas de Nom
Bay or brown 1968
Admiral's Voyage
Petitioner
1959
1952
4-n
7-a
Razyana
Bay 1981
His Majesty
Bay 1968
Ribot
Flower Bowl
1952
1952
4-l
4-d
Spring Adieu
Bay 1974
Buckpasser
Natalma
1963
1957
1-s
2-d
Push a Venture
Bay 1994
Shirley Heights
Bay 1975
Mill Reef
Bay 1968
Never Bend
Milan Mill
1960
1962
19-b
22-d
Hardiemma
Bay 1969
Hardicanute
Grand Cross
1962
1952
3-j
1-l
Push a Button
Bay 1980
Bold Lad
Bay 1964
Bold Ruler
Barn Pride
1954
1957
8-d
2-e
River Lady
Bay 1963
Prince John
Nile Lily
1953
1954
14-f
10-a
 Ancestor duplications:Natalmax 5m,5f

INTENT (AUS)Bay colt 2019 
Lonhro
Brown 1998
Octagonal
Brown 1992
Zabeel
Bay 1986
Sir Tristram
Bay 1971
Sir Ivor
Isolt
1965
1961
8-g
6-e
Lady Giselle
Bay 1982
Nureyev
Valderna
1977
1972
5-h
16-c
Eight Carat
Brown 1975
Pieces of Eight
Brown 1963
Relic
Baby Doll
1945
1956
8-f
3-o
Klairessa
Bay or brown 1969
Klairon
Courtessa
1952
1955
1-w
9-c
Shadea
Bay 1988
Straight Strike
Bay or brown 1977
Mr Prospector
Bay 1970
Raise a Native
Gold Digger
1961
1962
8-f
13-c
Bend Not
Bay 1972
Never Bend
Jennie Sue
1960
1961
19-b
11>
Concia
Bay 1978
First Consul
Bay 1970
Forli
Bold Consort
1963
1960
3-b
5-f
My Tricia
Brown 1974
Hermes
Gay Poss
1963
1966
11-d
8>
Lagertha
Bay 2012
Exceed and Excel
Bay 2000
Danehill
Bay 1986
Danzig
Bay 1977
Northern Dancer
Pas de Nom
1961
1968
2-d
7-a
Razyana
Bay 1981
His Majesty
Spring Adieu
1968
1974
4-d
2-d
Patrona
Chestnut 1994
Lomond
Bay 1980
Northern Dancer
My Charmer
1961
1969
2-d
13-c
Gladiolus
Chestnut 1974
Watch Your Step
Back Britches
1956
1964
6-a
23-b
Bonissimo
Black 2004
Johannesburg
Bay 1999
Hennessy
Chestnut 1993
Storm Cat
Island Kitty
1983
1976
8-c
8-c
Myth
Bay 1993
Ogygian
Yarn
1983
1987
16-a
2-f
Sorboniere
Brown 1993
Kenmare
Grey 1975
Kalamoun
Belle of Ireland
1970
1964
9-c
1-m
Sorbonne
Bay 1980
Alleged
Serenita
1974
1975
2-s
7-e
 Ancestor duplications:Northern Dancerx 5m,5m

FEEL THE THUNDER (NZ)Bay filly 2019 
Thunder Down Under
Bay 2012
Street Sense
Bay or brown 2004
Street Cry
Bay or brown 1998
Machiavellian
Bay or brown 1987
Mr Prospector
Coup de Folie
1970
1982
13-c
2-d
Helen Street
Bay 1982
Troy
Waterway
1976
1976
1-b
1-l
Bedazzle
Bay 1997
Dixieland Band
Bay 1980
Northern Dancer
Mississippi Mud
1961
1973
2-d
4-m
Majestic Legend
Bay 1985
His Majesty
Long Legend
1968
1978
4-d
22-b
River Dreaming
Bay 2006
Galileo
Bay 1998
Sadler's Wells
Bay 1981
Northern Dancer
Fairy Bridge
1961
1975
2-d
5-h
Urban Sea
Chestnut 1989
Miswaki
Allegretta
1978
1978
16-g
9-h
Armure Royale
Bay 1998
Woodman
Chestnut 1983
Mr Prospector
Playmate
1970
1975
13-c
1-s
All Along
Bay 1979
Targowice
Agujita
1970
1966
16-g
1-d
Red Alert
Bay 2011
Red Giant
Chestnut 2004
Giant's Causeway
Chestnut 1997
Storm Cat
Bay or brown 1983
Storm Bird
Terlingua
1978
1976
4-j
8-c
Mariah's Storm
Bay 1991
Rahy
Immense
1985
1979
12-c
11>
Beyond the Sun
Bay 1996
Kingmambo
Bay 1990
Mr Prospector
Miesque
1970
1984
13-c
20>
Carnet Solaire
Bay 1983
Sharpen Up
Konafa
1969
1973
5-i
22-b
Flightoftheconcord
Bay 2006
Savabeel
Brown 2001
Zabeel
Bay 1986
Sir Tristram
Lady Giselle
1971
1982
6-e
16-c
Savannah Success
Brown 1995
Success Express
Alma Mater
1985
1988
17-b
1-o
Centa Belt
Bay 2000
Centaine
Brown 1980
Century
Rainbeam
1969
1973
20>
C7
Lady Di
Chestnut 1991
Star of Luskin
Princess Diana
1984
1978
2-g
2-g
 Ancestor duplications:Mr Prospector5m,5m x 5m Northern Dancer5m,5m x

GWEN STEPHANI (NZ)Chestnut filly 2019 
El Roca
Bay 2010
Fastnet Rock
Bay 2001
Danehill
Bay 1986
Danzig
Bay 1977
Northern Dancer
Pas de Nom
1961
1968
2-d
7-a
Razyana
Bay 1981
His Majesty
Spring Adieu
1968
1974
4-d
2-d
Piccadilly Circus
Bay 1995
Royal Academy
Bay 1987
Nijinsky
Crimson Saint
1967
1969
8-f
8-c
Gatana
Bay 1989
Marauding
Twigalae
1984
1979
4-i
2-f
Rubimill
Bay 2004
Rubiton
Brown 1983
Century
Brown 1969
Better Boy
Royal Suite
1951
1960
2-n
20>
Ruby
Bay 1977
Seventh Hussar
Briar's Toddy
1966
1971
14-c
4-l
Mill Rani
Bay 1981
Millionaire
Brown 1974
Mill Reef
State Pension
1968
1967
22-d
7-a
Sana Rani
Bay or brown 1969
Pakistan
Skewe
1958
1950
6-d
27>
Shezablonde
Bay 2005
Fusaichi Pegasus
Bay 1997
Mr Prospector
Bay 1970
Raise a Native
Chestnut 1961
Native Dancer
Raise You
1950
1946
5-f
8-f
Gold Digger
Bay 1962
Nashua
Sequence
1952
1946
3-m
13-c
Angel Fever
Bay 1990
Danzig
Bay 1977
Northern Dancer
Pas de Nom
1961
1968
2-d
7-a
Rowdy Angel
Bay 1979
Halo
Ramhyde
1969
1972
2-d
8-c
She's a Pretender
Bay 1997
Danehill
Bay 1986
Danzig
Bay 1977
Northern Dancer
Pas de Nom
1961
1968
2-d
7-a
Razyana
Bay 1981
His Majesty
Spring Adieu
1968
1974
4-d
2-d
Leica Pretender
Bay 1984
Sir Tristram
Bay 1971
Sir Ivor
Isolt
1965
1961
8-g
6-e
Pretend to Leica
Bay 1972
Pretendre
Miss Valeica
1963
1960
1-w
8-k
 Ancestor duplications:Danzig4m x 4f,4m Danehill3m x 3f

THE LITTLE ENGINE (NZ)Brown gelding 2019 
Darci Brahma
Bay 2002
Danehill
Bay 1986
Danzig
Bay 1977
Northern Dancer
Bay 1961
Nearctic
Natalma
1954
1957
14-c
2-d
Pas de Nom
Bay or brown 1968
Admiral's Voyage
Petitioner
1959
1952
4-n
7-a
Razyana
Bay 1981
His Majesty
Bay 1968
Ribot
Flower Bowl
1952
1952
4-l
4-d
Spring Adieu
Bay 1974
Buckpasser
Natalma
1963
1957
1-s
2-d
Grand Echezeaux
Brown 1996
Zabeel
Bay 1986
Sir Tristram
Bay 1971
Sir Ivor
Isolt
1965
1961
8-g
6-e
Lady Giselle
Bay 1982
Nureyev
Valderna
1977
1972
5-h
16-c
Richebourg
Brown 1980
Vice Regal
Brown 1973
Bismark
Kind Regards
1967
1966
13-c
3-e
Mary Mead
Bay 1964
Wilkes
Easter Rock
1952
1957
13-c
16>
Sunrise Ruby
Bay 2014
Jimmy Choux
Bay 2007
Thorn Park
Chestnut 1999
Spinning World
Chestnut 1993
Nureyev
Imperfect Circle
1977
1988
5-h
8-f
Joy
Bay 1993
Bluebird
Christmas Spirit
1984
1986
9-b
16-c
Cierzo
Bay 1999
Centaine
Brown 1980
Century
Rainbeam
1969
1973
20>
C7
Gale
Bay 1993
Wild Rampage
Imposing Choice
1983
1987
10-d
16-g
A Touch of Ruby
Bay 2009
Pins
Bay 1996
Snippets
Bay 1984
Lunchtime
Easy Date
1970
1977
7-f
20-a
No Finer
Chestnut 1979
Kaoru Star
Humour
1965
1962
31>
16-g
Syrah
Bay 2003
Traditionally
Chestnut 1997
Mr Prospector
Personal Ensign
1970
1984
13-c
6-a
Real Success
Bay 1990
Success Express
Pas de Course
1985
1984
17-b
9-h
 Ancestor duplications:Natalma5m,5f x Nureyev5f x 5m

MISS LILLY (NZ)Bay filly 2019 
Charm Spirit
Bay 2011
Invincible Spirit
Bay 1997
Green Desert
Bay 1983
Danzig
Bay 1977
Northern Dancer
Pas de Nom
1961
1968
2-d
7-a
Foreign Courier
Bay 1979
Sir Ivor
Courtly Dee
1965
1968
8-g
A4
Rafha
Bay 1987
Kris
Chestnut 1976
Sharpen Up
Doubly Sure
1969
1971
5-i
2-o
Eljazzi
Bay 1981
Artaius
Border Bounty
1974
1965
14-c
7-a
L'Enjoleuse
Bay 2002
Montjeu
Bay 1996
Sadler's Wells
Bay 1981
Northern Dancer
Fairy Bridge
1961
1975
2-d
5-h
Floripedes
Bay 1985
Top Ville
Toute Cy
1976
1979
8-i
1-u
Machaera
Bay 1993
Machiavellian
Bay or brown 1987
Mr Prospector
Coup de Folie
1970
1982
13-c
2-d
Somfas
Bay or brown 1978
What a Pleasure
Ciboulette
1965
1961
5-f
4-g
Sarzana
Bay 2009
High Chaparral
Bay 1999
Sadler's Wells
Bay 1981
Northern Dancer
Bay 1961
Nearctic
Natalma
1954
1957
14-c
2-d
Fairy Bridge
Bay 1975
Bold Reason
Special
1968
1969
19-b
5-h
Kasora
Brown 1993
Darshaan
Brown 1981
Shirley Heights
Delsy
1975
1972
1-l
13-c
Kozana
Brown 1982
Kris
Koblenza
1976
1966
2-o
1-n
Fifty Fifty
Chestnut 1995
Justice Prevails
Brown 1990
Proud Knight
Chestnut 1977
Vain
Dame Pattie
1966
1965
A10
2-n
Innocent Lady
Brown 1983
Water Mill
Ingenue
1977
1976
1-m
18>
Our Rosalee
Grey 1990
Conquistarose
Bay 1984
Conquistador Cielo
De la Rose
1979
1978
8-h
26>
Hassle
Grey 1976
Namnan
Royal Robe
1969
1972
13-b
2-c
 Ancestor duplications:Northern Dancer5m,5m x 4m Kris4f x 5f Sadler's Wells4m x 3m




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Race 1 - Darley Spring Preview (900 METRES)Times displayed in local time of Race Meeting
Of $50,000.1st $27,500, 2nd $9,000, 3rd $4,500, 4th $2,500, 5th $1,500, 6th $1,000, 7th $1,000, 8th $1,000, 9th $1,000, 10th $1,000
Prize money contribution totalling 3% will be directed to jockey and equine welfare prior to distribution
Set Weights, Two-Years-Old, Apprentices cannot claim.
This race carries a SUPER VOBIS Nominators Bonus of $4,500 and a SUPER VOBIS Owners Bonus of $10,500 for qualified horses.

Track Name: Main Track Type: Turf Track Condition: Good 4

Field Limit: 14 + 6 EM

 Last 10HorseSexAgeTrainerHcp Rating
1CAPITAL EXPRESSSuper Vobis Bonus SchemeF2Nick Ryan
2CAVALLAF2Mick Price & Michael Kent (Jnr)
3CONTEMPORARYC2James Cummings
4CROWNING MOMENTG2Clayton Douglas
5ELTANINSuper Vobis Bonus SchemeC2Trent Busuttin & Natalie Young
6EXCEL AND FLYC2Ben & JD Hayes
7GALVANICSuper Vobis Bonus SchemeC2Anthony & Sam Freedman
8IDRISSuper Vobis Bonus SchemeC2Leon & Troy Corstens
9LASCARSSuper Vobis Bonus SchemeC2James Cummings
10LITTLE STRAWBERRYSuper Vobis Bonus SchemeF2Clayton Douglas
11MOGULISTC2Lloyd Kennewell
12NOMINATORC2Gai Waterhouse & Adrian Bott
13PANJSHIRC2John Sadler
14RUNAWAY BELLESuper Vobis Bonus SchemeF2Phillip Stokes
15STREET DELIGHTSuper Vobis Bonus SchemeF2Leon & Troy Corstens
16THE WIZARD KINGSuper Vobis Bonus SchemeC2Shawn Mathrick
17YAKUTSKF2Lloyd Kennewell




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Not too many Derby types among that lot.  Wink
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No there isn't. Nominator probably has the stoutest pedigree.




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Or maybe Idris.
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I've followed Excel and Fly from the sales so hope he runs well.  Also have Crowning Moment, Mogulist and Runaway belle's dams as yearling picks so hope they run well also.

I'm kind of looking to the sebring mares to jump out of the ground as broodmare sires so would love to see Crowning Moment run well.  Her female line is one I've kept an eye on for a while.  A different branch of the Lady Chester female line.
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Savy Star GELDING 2019  
Tivaci (AUS)
Bay 2012
High Chaparral
Bay 1999
Sadler's Wells
Bay 1981
Northern Dancer
Bay 1961
Nearctic
Natalma
1954
1957
14-c
2-d
Fairy Bridge
Bay 1975
Bold Reason
Special
1968
1969
19-b
5-h
Kasora
Brown 1993
Darshaan
Brown 1981
Shirley Heights
Delsy
1975
1972
1-l
13-c
Kozana
Brown 1982
Kris
Koblenza
1976
1966
2-o
1-n
Breccia
Bay 2006
Fastnet Rock
Bay 2001
Danehill
Bay 1986
Danzig
Razyana
1977
1981
7-a
2-d
Piccadilly Circus
Bay 1995
Royal Academy
Gatana
1987
1989
8-c
2-f
Luna Tudor
Bay 1994
Military Plume
Bay 1983
Sir Tristram
Ultraviolet
1971
1972
6-e
10-d
Moon Storm
Grey 1982
Jungle Boy
Clouded
1968
1977
14-c
C7
Save the Stars (NZ)
Bay 2013
Savabeel
Brown 2001
Zabeel
Bay 1986
Sir Tristram
Bay 1971
Sir Ivor
Isolt
1965
1961
8-g
6-e
Lady Giselle
Bay 1982
Nureyev
Valderna
1977
1972
5-h
16-c
Savannah Success
Brown 1995
Success Express
Bay 1985
Hold Your Peace
Au Printemps
1969
1979
12-b
17-b
Alma Mater
Brown 1988
Semipalatinsk
Sweetie
1978
1981
23-b
1-o
Eudora
Bay 2009
Pins
Bay 1996
Snippets
Bay 1984
Lunchtime
Easy Date
1970
1977
7-f
20-a
No Finer
Chestnut 1979
Kaoru Star
Humour
1965
1962
31>
16-g
Hyades
Bay 1998
O'Reilly
Brown 1993
Last Tycoon
Courtza
1983
1986
8-c
13-b
Habania
Grey 1978
Habat
Georgina Belle
1971
1969
9-c
7-d
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PACIFIC DRAGON (NZ)Bay filly 2019 
Charm Spirit
Bay 2011
Invincible Spirit
Bay 1997
Green Desert
Bay 1983
Danzig
Bay 1977
Northern Dancer
Pas de Nom
1961
1968
2-d
7-a
Foreign Courier
Bay 1979
Sir Ivor
Courtly Dee
1965
1968
8-g
A4
Rafha
Bay 1987
Kris
Chestnut 1976
Sharpen Up
Doubly Sure
1969
1971
5-i
2-o
Eljazzi
Bay 1981
Artaius
Border Bounty
1974
1965
14-c
7-a
L'Enjoleuse
Bay 2002
Montjeu
Bay 1996
Sadler's Wells
Bay 1981
Northern Dancer
Fairy Bridge
1961
1975
2-d
5-h
Floripedes
Bay 1985
Top Ville
Toute Cy
1976
1979
8-i
1-u
Machaera
Bay 1993
Machiavellian
Bay or brown 1987
Mr Prospector
Coup de Folie
1970
1982
13-c
2-d
Somfas
Bay or brown 1978
What a Pleasure
Ciboulette
1965
1961
5-f
4-g
Daring
Brown 2011
Encosta de Lago
Bay 1993
Fairy King
Bay 1982
Northern Dancer
Bay 1961
Nearctic
Natalma
1954
1957
14-c
2-d
Fairy Bridge
Bay 1975
Bold Reason
Special
1968
1969
19-b
5-h
Shoal Creek
Chestnut 1988
Star Way
Chestnut 1977
Star Appeal
New Way
1970
1970
5-d
6-e
Rolls
Chestnut 1984
Mr Prospector
Grand Luxe
1970
1974
13-c
4-g
Liatris
Brown 2004
Rock of Gibraltar
Bay 1999
Danehill
Bay 1986
Danzig
Razyana
1977
1981
7-a
2-d
Offshore Boom
Chestnut 1985
Be My Guest
Push a Button
1974
1980
8-c
10-a
Subterfuge
Brown 1993
Machiavellian
Bay or brown 1987
Mr Prospector
Coup de Folie
1970
1982
13-c
2-d
Sandy Island
Bay 1981
Mill Reef
Sayonara
1968
1965
22-d
16-c
 Ancestor duplications:Northern Dancer5m,5m x 4m Danzig4m x 5m Fairy Bridge5m x 4m 
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SPIRIT HEART (NZ)Bay filly 2019 
Vadamos
Bay 2011
Monsun
Bay or brown 1990
Konigsstuhl
Brown 1976
Dschingis Khan
Brown 1961
Tamerlane
Donna Diana
1952
1956
1-e
6-e
Konigskronung
Brown 1965
Tiepoletto
Kronung
1956
1957
2-c
5-h
Mosella
Bay 1985
Surumu
Chestnut 1974
Literat
Surama
1965
1970
7-b
19>
Monasia
Bay 1979
Authi
Monacensia
1970
1969
14-b
8-a
Celebre Vadala
Bay 2003
Peintre Celebre
Chestnut 1994
Nureyev
Bay 1977
Northern Dancer
Special
1961
1969
2-d
5-h
Peinture Bleue
Chestnut 1987
Alydar
Petroleuse
1975
1978
9-c
9>
Vadlamixa
Grey 1992
Linamix
Grey 1987
Mendez
Lunadix
1981
1972
23-b
6-e
Vadlava
Brown 1984
Bikala
Vadsa
1978
1979
8-c
20-d
Musigny
Chestnut 2006
Reset
Bay 2000
Zabeel
Bay 1986
Sir Tristram
Bay 1971
Sir Ivor
Isolt
1965
1961
8-g
6-e
Lady Giselle
Bay 1982
Nureyev
Valderna
1977
1972
5-h
16-c
Assertive Lass
Chestnut 1993
Zeditave
Chestnut 1985
The Judge
Summoned
1975
1978
2-b
1-n
Sommes Sound
Chestnut 1984
Assert
Fast Approach
1979
1970
8-c
4-p
Laurel Avenue
Bay 1995
Avenue of Flags
Brown 1988
Seattle Slew
Bay or brown 1974
Bold Reasoning
My Charmer
1968
1969
1-k
13-c
Beautiful Glass
Bay 1979
Pass the Glass
Beautiful Spirit
1971
1973
22-b
1-c
Laura's Bouquet
Bay 1982
Beau's Eagle
Chestnut 1976
Golden Eagle
Beaufield
1965
1970
3-n
1-s
Laura's Star
Bay 1977
Key to the Kingdom
At Loose Ends
1970
1965
2-n
2-d
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How did Pacific Dragon sip in there?  Shocked
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If Sir Henry was happy to believe Subterfuge was at least a 2400m filly I am happy to go along with that. 




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Except she only won over 1400m and her superior progeny have all been sprinters.  Wink
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Only because they had the misfortune of being born and trained in Australia.






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YearRaceGradeWinnerTrainerWinner Fam.Dist.2nd3rdTimeComment
2014PRIX DJEBELG3CHARM SPIRITFREDDY HEAD4-g1400 MTKIRAM2IMPERIATOR1:24.30 
2014PRIX PAUL DE MOUSSACG3CHARM SPIRITFREDDY HEAD4-g1600 MTSALAIARMY BULLETIN1:35.82 
2014PRIX JEAN PRATG1CHARM SPIRITFREDDY HEAD4-g1600 MTYUFTENSHIFTING POWER1:41.01 
2014PRIX DU MOULIN DE LONGCHAMP; 3YO+ C&FG1CHARM SPIRITFREDDY HEAD4-g1600 MTTORONADO4NIGHT OF THUNDER21:35.90 
2014QUEEN ELIZABETH II STAKESG1CHARM SPIRITFREDDY HEAD4-g8 FNIGHT OF THUNDER2TOORMORE1:46.28 
2013PRIX JEAN-LUC LAGARDEREG1KARAKONTIEJONATHAN E. PEASE201400 MTNOOZHOH CANARIASCHARM SPIRIT1:22.97 
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This thread won't start to get exciting until Sept next year., unless you are trying to find the long range winners of the Champagne and JJ Atkins !
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Not really.

Although you would hope these horses showing up early will be playing a role as trips get longer it is really just about seeing how many horses with potential stamina or middle distance or miler pedigrees we see before Christmas.







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HEAD OF STATE (AUS)Bay colt 2018 
American Pharoah
Bay 2012
Pioneerof the Nile
Bay or brown 2006
Empire Maker
Bay or brown 2000
Unbridled
Bay 1987
Fappiano
Gana Facil
1977
1981
16-a
1-r
Toussaud
Bay or brown 1989
El Gran Senor
Image of Reality
1981
1976
8-f
6-d
Star of Goshen
Bay 1994
Lord at War
Chestnut 1980
General
Luna de Miel
1974
1974
1-w
19-c
Castle Eight
Bay 1984
Key to the Kingdom
Her Native
1970
1973
2-n
21-a
Littleprincessemma
Chestnut 2006
Yankee Gentleman
Bay 1999
Storm Cat
Bay or brown 1983
Storm Bird
Terlingua
1978
1976
4-j
8-c
Key Phrase
Chestnut 1991
Flying Paster
Sown
1976
1983
22>
19>
Exclusive Rosette
Chestnut 1993
Ecliptical
Chestnut 1982
Exclusive Native
Minnetonka
1965
1967
10-a
9-c
Zetta Jet
Bay 1984
Tri Jet
Queen Zetta
1969
1976
20-c
14>
Derelique
Bay 2007
Danehill Dancer
Bay 1993
Danehill
Bay 1986
Danzig
Bay 1977
Northern Dancer
Pas de Nom
1961
1968
2-d
7-a
Razyana
Bay 1981
His Majesty
Spring Adieu
1968
1974
4-d
2-d
Mira Adonde
Bay or brown 1986
Sharpen Up
Chestnut 1969
Atan
Rocchetta
1961
1961
2-f
5-i
Lettre d'Amour
Grey 1979
Caro
Lianga
1967
1971
3-o
22-b
Hides
Bay 2003
Giant's Causeway
Chestnut 1997
Storm Cat
Bay or brown 1983
Storm Bird
Terlingua
1978
1976
4-j
8-c
Mariah's Storm
Bay 1991
Rahy
Immense
1985
1979
12-c
11>
Subterfuge
Brown 1993
Machiavellian
Bay or brown 1987
Mr Prospector
Coup de Folie
1970
1982
13-c
2-d
Sandy Island
Bay 1981
Mill Reef
Sayonara
1968
1965
22-d
16-c
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It's a three year old not a 2yo
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He helps my point furious. Embarrassed




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Oh because he ran before Christmas in his 2yo year.  It still doesn't help that overseas he wouldn't of run in 1100, 1200 and 1300 as a 2yo he would of started at 1400 and built to 2000.

So they are still behind the eightball.
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And I know the second horse didn't run early but he's got enormous promise.  Beautiful also.
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Djebel's point being that Subterfuge is (allegedly) a staying influence in a pedigree.  

I rather suspect American Pharoah might give the 3yo some strength.  Wink
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Hello,
good to see the Germandbred "Schwarzgold Family" has some success abroad and their counterparts in my homecountry are still going strong.

As I see "Sandy Island" is a 3/4 relative  of "Slip Anchor" (won English Derby in 1985).

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Shhh. 

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Hello, 
it's me again.

I forgot to mention, Sandy Island (foaled 1981) won "Pretty Polly Stakes" (Newmarket)  and "Lancaster Oaks" (Haydock).

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Street Smartfilly 2019  
Street Cry (IRE)
Bay or brown 1998
Machiavellian
Bay or brown 1987
Mr Prospector
Bay 1970
Raise a Native
Chestnut 1961
Native Dancer
Raise You
1950
1946
5-f
8-f
Gold Digger
Bay 1962
Nashua
Sequence
1952
1946
3-m
13-c
Coup de Folie
Bay 1982
Halo
Bay or brown 1969
Hail to Reason
Cosmah
1958
1953
4-n
2-d
Raise the Standard
Bay 1978
Hoist the Flag
Natalma
1968
1957
5-i
2-d
Helen Street
Bay 1982
Troy
Bay 1976
Petingo
Bay 1965
Petition
Alcazar
1944
1957
16-g
22>
La Milo
Chestnut 1963
Hornbeam
Pin Prick
1953
1955
1-p
1-b
Waterway
Chestnut 1976
Riverman
Bay 1969
Never Bend
River Lady
1960
1963
19-b
10-a
Boulevard
Chestnut 1968
Pall Mall
Costa Sola
1955
1963
7-d
1-l
Quick Thinking (NZ)
Bay 2007
Starcraft
Chestnut 2000
Soviet Star
Bay 1984
Nureyev
Bay 1977
Northern Dancer
Special
1961
1969
2-d
5-h
Veruschka
Bay 1967
Venture
Marie d'Anjou
1957
1954
7>
9-f
Flying Floozie
Chestnut 1993
Pompeii Court
Bay 1977
Tell
Port Damascus
1966
1971
2-f
1-p
Lucky Heiress
Bay 1976
Battle-Waggon
Entrancing Bell
1962
1965
3-o
4-d
Sursum Corda
Bay 1998
Zabeel
Bay 1986
Sir Tristram
Bay 1971
Sir Ivor
Isolt
1965
1961
8-g
6-e
Lady Giselle
Bay 1982
Nureyev
Valderna
1977
1972
5-h
16-c
L'Quiz
Bay 1987
L'Enjoleur
Bay 1972
Buckpasser
Fanfreluche
1963
1967
1-s
4-g
Basin
Bay 1972
Tom Rolfe
Delta
1962
1952
9-h
9-f
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Street Smart is a Matt Dunn inmate. She is nominated for the Gimcrack on Saturday. 




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We can argue over whether this one might stay but boy oh boy what a pedigree.

CALICO JACK (AUS)Bay colt 2019 
Merchant Navy
Bay 2014
Fastnet Rock
Bay 2001
Danehill
Bay 1986
Danzig
Bay 1977
Northern Dancer
Pas de Nom
1961
1968
2-d
7-a
Razyana
Bay 1981
His Majesty
Spring Adieu
1968
1974
4-d
2-d
Piccadilly Circus
Bay 1995
Royal Academy
Bay 1987
Nijinsky
Crimson Saint
1967
1969
8-f
8-c
Gatana
Bay 1989
Marauding
Twigalae
1984
1979
4-i
2-f
Legally Bay
Chestnut 2000
Snippets
Bay 1984
Lunchtime
Chestnut 1970
Silly Season
Great Occasion
1962
1965
1-g
7-f
Easy Date
Bay 1977
Grand Chaudiere
Scampering
1968
1970
19-b
20-a
Decidity
Bay 1993
Last Tycoon
Bay or brown 1983
Try My Best
Mill Princess
1975
1977
8-f
8-c
Class
Chestnut 1987
Twig Moss
Pirouette
1973
1972
1-k
1-n
Shrill
Bay 2013
Shamardal
Bay 2002
Giant's Causeway
Chestnut 1997
Storm Cat
Bay or brown 1983
Storm Bird
Terlingua
1978
1976
4-j
8-c
Mariah's Storm
Bay 1991
Rahy
Immense
1985
1979
12-c
11>
Helsinki
Bay 1993
Machiavellian
Bay or brown 1987
Mr Prospector
Coup de Folie
1970
1982
13-c
2-d
Helen Street
Bay 1982
Troy
Waterway
1976
1976
1-b
1-l
Wood Vine
Chestnut 1993
Woodman
Chestnut 1983
Mr Prospector
Bay 1970
Raise a Native
Gold Digger
1961
1962
8-f
13-c
Playmate
Chestnut 1975
Buckpasser
Intriguing
1963
1964
1-s
1-s
Massaraat
Bay 1988
Nureyev
Bay 1977
Northern Dancer
Special
1961
1969
2-d
5-h
Pasadoble
Bay 1979
Prove Out
Santa Quilla
1969
1970
4-c
20>
 Ancestor duplications:Northern Dancer5m x 5m Mr Prospectorx 5m,4m




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