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2022 Kentucky Derby

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote furious Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 May 2022 at 5:56pm
Not many lines of Chestnut but Noholme was a pretty good chestnut back in the day.  And he's there twice as well.
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2022 year of the Independent.
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Originally posted by Gay3 Gay3 wrote:

Gee, Shammy was stiff but I love to see an outsider win, especially when they make the field at the last minute! What a ride too Thumbs Up Thanks PT Big smile
MR PROSPECTOR on both sides and not all that far back.  Snuck in on me  but probably wouldn't have changed my mind being an OH claim at 80 to 1.  Might have another Calvin Borel in RICH STRIKES' jockey.  His breeding says he can make the pace at a mile and a sixteenth in a couple of weeks.  Really fast Kentucky Derby that blew the stretch run of the favorites to pieces.  Two weeks is not a long time to recover before the Preakness.  Don't think I will reach too far into my limited bankroll to back him.  He has already ruined last weekend.Ouch

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RICH STRIKE skipping Preakness.  Next stop is the Belmont.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote acacia alba Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 May 2022 at 2:20pm
Its such a shame the scenes of the outrider/lead pony man punching the horse in the face has gone world wide and given the anti racing mob fuel for their fire. Why on earth he just didnt let the horse go under its own steam, instead of insisting on hanging onto its bit, and then smacking a hitting it when it tried biting the pony is beyond me.  Bad look and even worse horsemanship.
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RICH STRIKE'S trainer defended the outrider's actions.  I tend to agree having exercised a few head strong young colts as a young man. RS appeared to continue to race after crossing the finish.  Straight or split snaffle bits don't offer a great deal of control for a jockey and outriders are good to have nearby.  Have been bitten a few times myself.  Not pleasant.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote acacia alba Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 May 2022 at 5:49pm
Probably right Shammy.  For those of us who understand racing.  But the K D is viewed world wide by people who dont understand things, and even from my point of view, it looked bad, so imagine what the anti racers are saying.
I have seen a lot of horses stopped by the the outriders, as you call them, but never anything as bad as that. The way he slashed across his face with the reins and punched him.
I get it he wanted the horse to stop biting and behave but if he had let him go he prolly wouldnt have been fighting so hard.
I never get why every horse has to have a lead pony anyway. Cant they trot to the barriers themselves ?
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Can't remember when outrider's and pony escorts to the gate weren't on the track.  It is because of the way our horses are kept up and trained. Our system is too limited in track and group training time.  22 hours a day in a stall is not optimal.  Agree that the RS visuals were unpleasant.  Very rare to see on race day.   Old traditions die hard here.  It would be interesting to see what RS is like after a Group 1 mile and sixteenth.  That is out of the question now.  No doubt RS won't be as cantankerous at the Belmont finish.  He is a MR PROSPECTOR line colt on both sides and if history is an example his legs will be falling off at the wire after a mile and a half.
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